Telomere Savalas
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Perhaps there was an "incident" at his Wal-Mart job and Mallon Place had liability concerns?
Horrorcow Lucas Werner - A man of Spokane, Washington who is obsessed with millennial and Gen Z chicks
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He absolutely isn't allowed to leave mallon place unescorted so long as he is in the nursing unit. Thats standard procedure for all nursing homes, same as hospitals. Its a legal requirement. That said he's been posting pretty regularly on facebook so I doubt he got his phone taken away. Though I wouldn't be surprised if he was told to stop making those looney note videos
I doubt it, with lucas's history if there was any kind of serious incident it would have made the local news at a minimum. Not to mention would have likely got him another trip to the psych ward or jail and lucas spazzing about it the first chance he got. Walmart doesn't fuck aroundTelomere Savalas said:
That said, hes out of the nursing home unit and clearly back in his fartbox. Sometimes a picture really does tell a thousand words:
That lucas doesn't realize how bad this makes him look speaks for itself
At Mallon Place the residents are allowed to leave the facility from 6 am to 11 pm. I remember at the beginning of his Mallon Place "residency" he made a video at night when he was on his way back from creeping outside the bars on Post street. He is still at Mallon Place but in that picture he and Jamie are out someplace.
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Thats at the fartbox side of things not the nursing home unit. Nursing homes, like hospitals have legal requirements about not letting people do alot of things, including not leaving the hospital or nursing home unescorted in case there are any incidents that involve a resident or patient getting injured and leading to lawsuits and criminal investigations as a result. Its also the reason hospitals are anal about alot of stuff that doesn't always seem to make sense at the time,
It's at Mallon Place . Since the time he was placed there he's been able to leave the facility on his own. Mallon Place is not run the same as the nursing homes for the elderly and/or for people that need more hands on care.
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Lucas has been placed in the nursing home unit of mallon place at least twice, when he first got there for his foot and recently for reasons he hasn't disclosed. The nursing home unit is just that, a nursing home and has the same legal obligations as all nursing home units. That unit is absolutely run the same as any other nursing home. He was not and could not be free leave on his own while he was a patient in it. They'd get the shit sued out of them if anything happened to him or there were any incidents if they let him go while he was transferred into the nursing home unit. Even lucas's recent actions while in that unit show this, hence the reason he was indoors taking videos of psycho notes rather than going outside to rant and rave in the street like he normally does when he's manic. They weren't allowing him to leave, as he had no legit reason to and they're not going to have someone escort him so he can scream into his phone in the street
Lucas has since been discharged from the nursing unit back into the fartbox part of mallon place, which is why he's back with jamie and why he's outside again
He is still at Mallon along with Jaime. Jamie does not live in one of those Mallon "apartments" but he is a full time resident at Mallon Place. He even has his own room. He was already there when the Lucas was 1st Place there. Jamie is out with the Creeper because he too can leave the facility from 6am to 11pm.
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And we finally get a new video, after a bit of a hiatus. Lucas walking around the neighborhood of Mallon Place, I think.
He must be back on his meds, he is looking fatter than usual.
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Always has the headphones on to drown out the voices on the wind.
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I know he's really stupid but still don't get why he keeps using songs that most of gen z have probably never even heard about. Does he think they all listen to nothing but 80s and 90s music like how he thinks they're all communists?
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No, mallon place consists of the fartbox apartments and a nursing home unit. When lucas was making those weird note videos he was back in the nursing home unit and therefore not free to leave the facility, which is why he made those videos the way he did. He's left now with jamie because he's no longer in that unit (and clearly looking medicated again). Nobody in a nursing unit is ever allowed out on their own for legal liability reasons, let alone when its a nursing unit for literal low IQ mental patients who can't be trusted to live on their own even when healthy
and lucas doesn't have a room to himself, we've already seen several issues he's had with his roommates including that one where he was practically giddy while calling the men with butterfly nets to pick up his roommate for acting nuts, which given lucas's behavior around that time, came off as something lucas himself deliberately provoked in some way
Because lucas is an idiot who can't read people or situations and is completely and utterly out of touch. He's stuck in his teen years and acts like the current culture is perpetually 1994, kind of like a real life version of that south park episode with the guy who got frozen in 1996 and thawed out a year later and nobody could understand him so they kept him locked in a room with stuff from 1996 all over the place and constantly played ace of base to make him feel at home.Melas Zomos said:
The best part is he almost never actually has them connected to anything, he just wears them with the wire hanging out. People must think he's batshit when they see thatDa Dude123 said:
He's still acting like the price of the steak somehow makes it better like a walking meme of a consoomer. He really does fancy himself a temporarily embarrassed millionaire heir forced to slum it with the peasants with all the tacky out of touch tastes that go with itVoidFace said:
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Speaking of: I wonder if we will ever get another "I'm going to inherit millions"/elk kingdom saga. That is one he hasn't repeated for a long time, surprisingly. I wonder if his parents finally got through to him that he isn't getting a thing.
He was placed into Mallon Place towards the end of August 2021. Oct 2021 he made a video eating tacos , etc at a Mexican restaurant You made a post dated Oct 26,2021 relating to the Creeper having gone out to gorge Mexican food at the restaurant. At another time he went to another place called Twigs for pizza and brought a slice back to Mallon place for his "friend".
He was able to go to the restaurants because he is free to leave the facility.
Your post:
Wernology's post with the video Oct 26,2021
Oct 29th--Wernology posted the video where he was out at Twigs and coming back to Mallon with a slice for his "friend". Also where he'd been at another restaurant eating noodles.
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Another video where he is walking around and also at a restaurant eating a steak --Date posted Nov 1, 2021.
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It's a weird misunderstanding that paying more for something somehow makes it better. While it's true higher quality items often command higher prices, higher prices do not guarantee high quality. It's supply and demand and sometimes both are irrational.
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Which means he was escorted when he left, as is required, or, three months after admission was no longer in the nursing home unit and was transferred to their fartbox apartments. I don't see how this is so difficult to understand. The mallon place nursing home unit, like all nursing home units and all hospitals are legally responsible for the safety of everyone in the unit and legally prohibited from allowing anyone to leave the building unsupervised. I'll say it again - either he was in the nursing home unit and escorted or had been discharged from it and placed in the fartbox housing that he's living in now, which makes sense considering it was three months later
You're confusing the fact that there are two different sets of rules for two different units of mallon place
Indeed. Though in lucas's case i'm not surprised. As everyone knows lucas doesn't understand money, the value of money or how much of anything works. He assumes something that costs more must therefore be be worth more and somehow better. Especially when it comes to food. To a point this is correct, in the sense you're going to get what you pay for eating at say, 7-11 vs some higher end restaurant. But the idea that a steak or anything else is better cause it costs more is just absurd and pure lucas logic to a T. Its all from the same cows and cooked the same way. Lucas is a marketing directors dream demographic. He'd buy right into overpriced shit and price gougingAnOminous said:
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i've been wondering about this as i, being from a law enforcement background that has worked with my state's health and human services department for several years, have never heard of this being a matter of course. typically if someone is remanded to custody via conservatorship (like a guardian, similar but above power-of-attorney), then yes, they can be required to stay in a specific hospital ward or outpatient care facility, and it's enforced by court order. "nursing unit" in and of itself has no such requirement i'm aware of in CA, WA, OR, AZ, or NV if the patient doesn't have that sort of legal status on file with the department of justice. this is because it's surprisingly quite difficult to sever self-determination rights, even for medical reasons. escorts (police, nursing staff, et c) might be mandated in some limited situations like intra-hospital transfers of at-risk patients (i've done this for DV victims where the suspect is unknown or is at large or something).
for many care facilities ("housing units" included), curfews are very common, as is limiting visitors/visiting hours, and sometimes there is a requirement for attending group therapy sessions or something to that effect. it varies facility to facility. group homes are generally connected to a program manager that interfaces with the state to determine the program requirements and if custody is mandated or how to handle it. juveniles for example are much further restrained in group homes than adults, but terms of parole, probation, therapy, et c can be determined by court order and widely vary (limiting social media or internet use for example, or being unable to purchase/possess certain types of goods like toys, undergarments, et c). it's an odd parallel where at-risk and homeless youth, who generally prefer being homeless, will stay in a shelter or group home during harsh weather, or just for the warmth and food, might steal a bunch of stuff or have a safe place to do drugs, then bail out after a few days to a week - creating a rotating door for the program, often a complete waste of taxpayer funds.
do you know if Lucas has such a court order for remanding to custody or severance of medical self-determination? this would typically be handled through the equivalent of human/health service department of the state of WA (or adult protective services or whatever the department might be called) that would recognize and authorize a care facility to hold a patient against their will for their own safety/health. again, to my knowledge, it is otherwise illegal to do so, and i've had to inform people of that fact that just because you place your elderly parent in a nursing home, there is nothing that prevents them from leaving short of strongly worded advice by staff. to enforce that sort of thing requires significant legal effort to remove their ability to medical self-determination.
i wouldn't put it past Lucas, he does have a payee, involved with state job-placement assistance programs, various welfare programs, plenty of medical records pointing to mental illness from crises stays to custodial observation, restraining orders (assuming they were renewed), and who knows what else.
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No-- He was at Mallon Place from August 2021 to the end of May 2022. June 1st , 2022 he posted he was all moved into his new apartment.
Also for those that remember Trainwreck--she lives in Spokane so she knows the residents at Mallon Place can leave the facility . The residents do not need a Mallon Place "escort" to accompany them when they are out of the facility.
Even the Outcast Owls (Skeletor and the other guy) went to visit him at Mallon Place. The 3 of them took off walking from Mallon for some distance . Skeletor as they were walking even filmed the bald spot on the Creepers head. They stopped someplace and gave Lucas a beer and I think he also smoked some weed. He ended throwing up. When they came back to Mallon Place Skeletor video around the facility too. It was at the end of that "visit" Lucas was telling the Owls he was planning on getting an apartment.
The residents of Mallon Place do have the freedom to be out of the facility on their own from 6am to 11pm.
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If you haven't heard of it you haven't been properly informed. Nursing homes and hospitals have a duty of care and legal liability, civil and criminal for any incidents that happen on or off the premises due to negligence on their part. Part of that negligence includes anything they might do or any injury they might sustain if they are allowed to leave unsupervised. Hospitals are not permitted to allow you to leave the building unescorted and the hospital property for any reason, until you are discharged as a patient. Security does not fuck around with that as its their ass on the line. You want to sign yourself out as a patient? Go ahead but as long as you're a patient you're not leaving. and coming back you'd have to go through the whole admission process again. It was made quite clear my ass would be fired on the spot and arrested shortly after if I let any patient leave the hospital building without confirming they'd been discharged or had someone supervising them, and that included letting anyone sneak out for a smoke on their own. As for nursing homes they are no different than hospitals in that regard. Every nursing home resident is by definition a vulnerable individual or they wouldn't be there. Again, duty of care is involved, they are patients in a nursing unit, mallon place is liable for anything that happens to them. Its why there are multiple doors in those units that are kept locked and require a keycode, which is never provided to patients. They can't let you leave, they'd get their asses sued off and somebody would catch charges if grandpa with kidney issues was allowed to just wander out of the nursing unit on his own, fell and broke a hip or had a heart attack halfway down the block, or worse, got confused and tried to harm someone
You are confusing having the right to sign yourself out of a hospital or nursing home unit, barring a court order or declaration of mental incompetence or whatever else, with what you have to comply with so long as you remain a patient or resident. Lucas could leave unescorted only if he signed himself out of mallon place itself as a resident, but if he did that he'd be out on the street again and his spot would be filled immediately by whoever is next on their waiting list and he'd have to reapply for a spot there. He wouldn't be allowed to go fuck around for a few hours and expect to waddle back and get back in
Lucas did not spend 9 months in the nursing unit. Thats absurd. He'd have been cured of his issues enough to leave, too sick to ever leave or dead long before that point. Don't forget how often lucas lies about thingsmothman96 said:
Again, lucas lies regularly and has lied about the circumstances of his housing multiple times. Hell the whole time he was in the nursing unit he kept telling people he was living in a group home, something he does rather regularly cause he knows his current circumstances are a bad look for himmothman96 said:
Trainwreck is talking about the fartbox apartments for residents not the nursing home unit. Nursing home units very much are secure facilities and in fact always are for the safety of the residents, the staff and to ensure that such places aren't easy marks for some crackhead to sneak into and rob the place for all the various drugs they keep there at gunpoint. Any place that has patients and drugs is always a secure facility. You aren't keeping opiates or anything else of that sort in any place that isn't secured. Ever. The feds would go apeshit and come down on the facility like a rockmothman96 said:
In the apartment section, not the nursing home. People are having a real bizarrely difficult time understanding there is a difference between the twomothman96 said:
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how does that agree with 42 CFR, specifically 482.13 which specifies that physical restraints must be least restrictive and in accordance with the patient's care plan (it can be argued that physical restraints can include physically preventing a patient from leaving)? i'm not a medical professional, i was a sheriff's deputy, however i've never heard of a hospital's "duty of care" to include being able to either imprison a patient without court order or written order of consent (guardianship), or to mandate that patients be unable to voluntarily leave a care facility independently. patients in the states i've worked in (and to my knowledge the entirety of the US) have a right to refuse treatment and this also includes voluntarily removing themselves from a care facility with or without a discharge. a discharge is an administrative process - the patient being physically barred from leaving is, to the best of my knowledge and training, false imprisonment.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/42/482.13 (federal regs, note that states can be more restrictive though)
https://www.cityofhope.org/location...insurance/patient-rights-and-responsibilities (LA county medical system)
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/your-hospital-stay/patient-rights-and-responsibilities (SF bay area, where i was a sheriff's deputy for 8 years active, now 7 years as a reserve officer)
https://www.summerlinhospital.com/patient-rights-and-responsibilities (this is nevada)
https://www.olympiamc.com/Olympia-Patient-Rights (olympia washington)
each care facility should have their own unique statement on patient rights tailored to their specific situation and locale. honestly, the only "duty of care" i'm really familiar with is 28 CFR, which is when i have duty of care for prisoners or others in detention facilities - i've never worked for a hospital, just sometimes taken people to/from and stood guard sometimes.
"duty of care" as a search phrase also doesn't appear in the CFR (https://www.ecfr.gov/search?search[date]=current&search[query]="duty+of+care"&view=standard)
or in CA law except where it applies to government facilities/property and specific family situations like adoptions or patient record keeping (which is intended to be added onto HIPAA regs in CA): https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codesTextSearch.xhtml
this is not the same as a patient discharging themselves from care. a hospital or nursing home or other care facility does not, to my knowledge, personally/professionally, have the legal means to imprison a patient against their will under the auspices of "duty of care". duty of care generally means that they can temporarily restrain a combative patient, seclude a patient for the safety of themselves, of staff, or administer live-saving care without active participation of a patient (for example a patient in a coma is assumed to want to be cared for if they have a heart attack or something and are unable to consent). nursing homes have some modified care regarding various exposure to activities, food preparation, facility management and oversight, drug administration, security (facility and special needs like locked cabinets, separated bio-hazard waste, sharps bins, et c). group homes further have modified care regarding therapy programs and managing day-to-day operations in a way to provide assisted living, et c.
i think you are taking "duty of care" too far and believe it provides some legal basis for keeping Lucas at Mallon when it does not. Lucas seems free to come and go as he pleases as long as he pays for the services at Mallon and obeys the rules there, which includes a curfew and probably a bunch of other things. i genuinely do not think Lucas has a court order that authorizes Mallon to detain Lucas at Mallon and only allow him to leave with an escort. further, i do not think Lucas is under a custodial order that allows Mallon to force him to do anything. Mallon's ability to "force" Lucas is to reject him as a program participant and kick him to the curb if he proves disruptive, combatitive, habitual rule breaker, refusing treatment, et c.
to your specific example of Uncle Joe with a bad kidney self-discharging and falling over and breaking a hip or something. in CA, a hospital can only keep a patient on premesis legally if the care manager has a written court order that allows it, if the patient is incapacitated in some way where consent can be assumed (coma, mental delirium, et c) temporarily until such an order can be signed and issued to the hospital, or if a person has guardianship, power-of-attorney, or is their legal decision-maker (wife or parent of a minor for example). some special situations like if the patient is a danger to themselves or others, or is there under observation in a crises, et c can also permit temporary custody or even physical restraint and modification of their care plan. but "duty of care", to the best of my knowledge, would not forbid a patient like Lucas, who (to my knowledge) doesn't have such an order remanding him to Mallon, and Mallon (to my knowledge) also doesn't seem to have a rule that forbids Lucas from leaving as long as he's obeying program/facility rules.
i'd really like to see the regulations in the CFR or maybe it's WA specific (?) for duty of care that would allow that type of thing.
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You are trying to change the the scenario to fit your agenda. Lucas was at Mallon Place for the length of time I stated above. June 1st 2022 he was moved into the Mallon "apartment" (921 N Ash st) that was just around the corner from Mallon Place . All the while he was at Mallon he was able to leave Mallon Place on his own without any Mallon employee "escorting" him anywhere. Now that he is back at Mallon Place the same applies. He is able to come and go as he pleases 6am--11pm.
Another thing -- If the Creeper had been moved back to 1 of the Mallon apartments as you say, he sure would aleady made it known he was out of the "group home/aka Mallon Place" and was again living in an apartment.