Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Corporate executives are the fucking dumbest people on the planet, second only to people who like Disney Star Wars.
They're even dumber, because they thought this activist pandering would be popular and wasted billions of dollars on it. At least the Disney SW fans are paying for what they want.

Modern corporate Disney paid 4 billion dollars for the rights to Luke Skywalker and the Jedi, only to tell the world that these hallowed heroes suck ass through a straw and should be replaced by Mary Sue bimbos who aren't even attractive like anime waifus or Angelina Jolie. Then they're surprised that it's not making money and the fans want to burn them at the stake. It's as stupid as getting people who hate Halo to make Halo and turning it into a hollow copy of all the games that it is not. This is the kind of stupid that modern corporate nepotism farts out. These people never had someone say ''no'' to them, so they think they can do whatever they want, to whoever they want, and screw over other people's favorite things.

If it wasn't for civilization keeping them safe, these would be the first people to win the Darwin Awards the hard way, through Natural Selection.

So, while watching MauLer and MetalCommander stream Outlaws, I think it gets a bit more hate than it actually deserves. It's not like Dustborn or Concord where they are malicious DEI propaganda projects meant to radicalize faggots. Outlaws is more like standard corporate mandates to create Star Wars: GTA and then doing a mediocre job at it. Open-world stealth mechanics are inherently contradictory, but they are profitable so it makes business sense to have it. Having a mediocre flight sim makes sense in a Star Wars sense too. QTE minigames are also in GTA. Having faction points makes sense. What GTA does right and Outlaws does wrong is the right to be a murder hobo and make no apology for it while Outlaws has to make our protagonist Chaotic Good.

Yes, the takedown animations are silly and stupid, yes, it's silly that a tiny girl's fists are better than her gun, yes the AI is poorly programmed, but I can recognize it as a game, which is more than I can say for Dustborn. Dustborn needs to fail--and is--for the good of society. Outlaws is just very expensive, poorly thought out corporate slop.
Ironically enough, SWTOR's Smuggler storyline is a far better take on that archetype. Smuggler on the run, trying to make a living, fighting against an evil empire, except this time, with blaster shotguns and crotch kicks. Oh, and the story's funnier, too.
 
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What I mean by that is they lacked modern Radar, fire control, sonar, and more than token air defense. The Radar/fire controls were semi-fixable with refits, but the air defense, even with updates, was woefully insufficient. Not all the of ships also had anti-torpedo bulges installed, so they were very vulnerable to submarines. They were also usually slow. Thus really the only thing the older battleships brought to the fleet was their big guns and were practically helpless in all other capacities.
History will strongly disagree as those older battleships were heavily modernized with the same radar, fire control and dual purpose secondary guns of their younger fast battleship compatriots.

The Iowas by contrast their entire secondary armament could be used as anti-air.
Sticking just to the US Navy, the older single purpose 5 inch guns were removed and replaced with the newer 5 inch dual purpose guns during the Interwar period and before Pearl Harbor.
They lacked sonar but had anti-torpedo bulges so they had some protection,
Sub-hunting is the business of destroyers, destroyer escorts, carriers, and light cruisers, not battleships. As sonar generally isn't installed on most of them.

and also had enough speed to keep up with lighter ships. They still needed escorts, but were able to pull their weight and be more than gun barges.
Those "gun barges" were extremely valuable to the guys on the ground calling in gunfire support. Whether for precision strikes on the target(s) and to provide suppressing fire halting the movement of the enemy.
 
History will strongly disagree as those older battleships were heavily modernized with the same radar, fire control and dual purpose secondary guns of their younger fast battleship compatriots.
By the end of the war, yes. Less so at the start.

Sticking just to the US Navy, the older single purpose 5 inch guns were removed and replaced with the newer 5 inch dual purpose guns during the Interwar period and before Pearl Harbor.
They also put dedicated flak guns on the South Dakotas but the (iirc) 8-single mounts with some fifties and Oberliks were woefully inadequate for pacific action. They could barely screen themselves let alone make more than a token contribution to air defense.
US Navy determined that anything less than a Bofors was practically worthless for air defense, but by the time they learned this Jets were around.

Sub-hunting is the business of destroyers, destroyer escorts, carriers, and light cruisers, not battleships. As sonar generally isn't installed on most of them.
Sonar for battleships was mostly as defensive measure, and I guess I should have said (strictly speaking) Hydrophones. I don't even think they had depth charges, but knowing a sub is out there, or getting a warning of incoming torpedos, could be the difference between survival or sinking.


Those "gun barges" were extremely valuable to the guys on the ground calling in gunfire support. Whether for precision strikes on the target(s) and to provide suppressing fire halting the movement of the enemy.
Correct, but they weren't directly helpful in fleet action. And for the IJN, that both directly contradicts the original point of this tangent AND they lacked the speed and endurance to chase targets.

Remember this discussion originated out of whether or not the IJN fucked themselves by building battle ships (as an offshoot of ISDs and WWII in space). I was pointing out that the IJN was right to build battleships, that even though they didn't really get to engage in a truly decisive surface battle, just by being heavily armored and heavily armed they shaped fleet actions by the nature of existing. But the IJN build the wrong sort of battleships and used them wrong.

The US used battleships (and cruisers) to devastating effect on land-based targets, especially since many south pacific islands had no place out of range of the big guns. So even if they were largely just serving as deterrents for anyone trying to gun-run the carriers, they could do something useful.
The IJN, who this was originally about, were not allowed to use their battleships for shore bombardment - half out of ego, half out of the difficulty of replacing the barrels of said guns. So in their case, their battleships were just ships-in-being.

edit:IJN battleships also lacked the speed or endurance to outrun anything other than another inter-war battleship. interwar, even early war, this would have been less of an issue in the south pacific where islands and lack of quality RADAR (and commanders who distrusted it) would have made ambushes possible (and Japan wasn't on the extreme wrong end of the ship numbers to make flushing quarry a viable tactic) but by mid-war between Radar and recon aviation (and for the US, broken encryption) that wasn't a possibility anymore.

Most of the US battleship fleet also lacked this ability. But the Iowas had enough speed and endurance to chase a carrier and enough air defense to very likely survive their airwings. But there was never any need for that by the time they were launched though.
 
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The old lore on stealthships in SW was that they required rare and expensive materials and generally weren't worth it, and were mostly used to enhance elite units of superpower tier factions.

So it was something your commandos may get, not something that randon people or main military would get as standard.

Star Trek mostly had them generally as available to enemy faction militaries on a regular scale.
Warhammer had it on small ships. As battles were at non visual ranges, you could stealth just by reducing emissions for sensors, and didn't need to actually be invisible.

With the heavy ww2 ace combat for sw you needed actual invisibility too or your Tie Phantom would get nailed by Luke, sensor or no sensor by eye.
 
Normies think Dave Filoni isn't getting much blame. Like dude, even among the normie SW fans today, the Andor fans tarred and feathered him as a childish author who just "plays with action figures on the screen."


He's been getting blame since the TCW days from the Traviss fanboys. That hate only intensified as works like Rebels, Mandalorian, Cookbook of Boba Fatt, Bad Batch, and Ahsoka pissed off fans for being too childish and simplifying complex topics from the SWEU.

I'm sure he's been a whipping boy enough to the point where he addressed people who accused him of making Star Wars childish, firing back and saying that most fans today got into SW as kids.
 
Normies think Dave Filoni isn't getting much blame. Like dude, even among the normie SW fans today, the Andor fans tarred and feathered him as a childish author who just "plays with action figures on the screen."


He's been getting blame since the TCW days from the Traviss fanboys. That hate only intensified as works like Rebels, Mandalorian, Cookbook of Boba Fatt, Bad Batch, and Ahsoka pissed off fans for being too childish and simplifying complex topics from the SWEU.

I'm sure he's been a whipping boy enough to the point where he addressed people who accused him of making Star Wars childish, firing back and saying that most fans today got into SW as kids.
Filoni sucks at writing and Ahsoka was a nothing burger of a show
 
Somehow, he's best of the worst in that company. His stuff isn't that DEI infested. It's just immature writing that literal ten-year olds come up with.
Yeah, he doesn't have any weird queer stuff in his work. Nor any real romance in general. I want stuff in Star Wars with actual meat to it like Umbara. Hell, that episode of Rebels with Zeb and Kallis stranded together was great.

Looking back, I think Filoni isn't really a creative person from a storytelling perpective.

Honestly, I think Bad Batch would have been better if there was some actual romance and not teasing. Also if the ending had a higher hero death count.
 
"Kay Vess ugly, uncanny face is totally down to graphics limitations, Chuds! Or, wait, she was supposed to look like hispanic Michael Jackson!"
It's funny how they're trying to ignore that while the actress that plays her is quite pretty Ubisoft chose to make her face model look so awful. They even gave her a flat chest for no reason.
 
It's funny how they're trying to ignore that while the actress that plays her is quite pretty Ubisoft chose to make her face model look so awful. They even gave her a flat chest for no reason.
I think we all the know the reason why. Ubisoft is infested with trannies who think that making actual woman uglier will somehow make them pass better.
 
They did have cloaked ships in the past, but they fell out of use, probably because they found a way around it. In ESB, the Captain says ''no ship that small has a cloaking device'' when talking about the Falcon. That, and since the Rebels are supposed to be an underdog faction, Sheev's boys would be more likely to carry cloaking devices, which they did in Rebel Assault II and the Thrawn Trilogy. In the former, Vader was creating an invisible fleet, in the latter, Thrawn used a cloaked fleet to get past enemy shields by creating the illusion his ships can shoot past shields.
In the Thrawn trilogy, cloaking devices were a double-blind, so you had to come up with creative ways to make them useful, like the cloaked asteroids.
 
In the Thrawn trilogy, cloaking devices were a double-blind, so you had to come up with creative ways to make them useful, like the cloaked asteroids.
Cloaking tech also didn't conceal engine emissions in the EU, and obviously not laser beams or missiles either, so they were only useful in limited tactical situations like the ways Thrawn used them
 
Somehow, he's best of the worst in that company. His stuff isn't that DEI infested. It's just immature writing that literal ten-year olds come up with.
I seem to recall how the last season of Clone wars played with making Asoka a lesbian with that shitty side-fade cut character, and he okayed Luke's ruination since it puts his shitty child waifu in the spot as the true force goddess shard he wants her to be.

So I'd not say that at all honestly.
 
In the Thrawn trilogy, cloaking devices were a double-blind, so you had to come up with creative ways to make them useful, like the cloaked asteroids.
Or using cloaked ships to make an optical illusion that your ISD can shoot past an energy shield, by having a cloaked ship slip past an enemy shield before it activates, then having an ISD shoot at its position when the shield goes up, and having it shoot at where the ISD's shot would land if the shield was down, so that the naked eye just sees an ISD whose shots are passing through a shield, thereby freaking out the enemy and causing them to drop everything and surrendering.

Filoni sucks at writing and Ahsoka was a nothing burger of a show
And that got Filoni a lot of hate; yet the media acts like he didn't get a lot of hate, even though people have been hating his guts as early as TCW.

Somehow, he's best of the worst in that company. His stuff isn't that DEI infested. It's just immature writing that literal ten-year olds come up with.
Nah; ten-year-olds wouldn't make Battle Droids and Stormtroopers into literal fucking jokes; they'd at least make the bad guys threatening so that the good guys would have to struggle against them.
 
What a damn snake, trying to urge YT to deplatform him and others for the crime of being "mean".
 
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