Pitch: Women's Only App Enforced by 3rd Party ID Verification

Hubelublub said:
Nigerian women are some of the highest calibre TERFs around.

Just keep it women only and you'll eliminate 99% of the problems in every country, race, ethnicity and demographic.
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Never seen a Nigerian TERF (nor TRA for that matter), only tons of Nigerian men pretending to be chicks online, but I guess if you need ID to join then disregard my comment, I'm possibly retarded.
 
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A lot of people have said that controlling the topics of conversation, restricting it to cats and needlepoint is a way to keep men out, which was not part of the pitch by null and i find insulting. There should be no issue having having an off topic board and if some ladies want to sperg about male coded topics they should be allowed to do that.
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In my eyes, restricting the topics of conversation would only be a measure to try and ward off any men from the space preemptively in place of giving identification for entry as a woman. The moment there are topics men could conceivably be interested in, and they decide they want to talk about it even if it's with women, they can. It's from my understanding that enforcing identification would then hinder that from happening, but I'm against that idea.

Men-specific forums typically involve conversations I don't give a shit about or personally find disgusting, or boring, or weird. So I don't visit those spaces because there's nothing there that interests me. I'm sure the same goes for any (sane) male; if he's put off by the bulk of conversation, he won't bother being around such a forum if it's directed towards women.

However, I accept that if I have an interest in something male-centric and I look for a place to converse or read people's thoughts about it, there will probably be males there, even if it's supposedly a women-only site. It is then up to me to decide whether I want to communicate and sift through the downsides of such a space, or fuck off. The same goes for guys.

Being interested in a male-centric topic and expecting not to see any males there or trying to find a way to ice them out entirely feels a bit silly. For the sake of true and honest anonymity, there is always going to be a chance I will be speaking to a man on my Girls Only (NO BOYS) forum. If he adds to the conversation, shares a genuine interest in what's being discussed, and isn't being a little shit, I have no issue with him being there. If he's doing the opposite, that's where moderation and intervention comes in.

But again this is from the perspective of someone who isn't on board with what Null is pitching. I'm okay with sharing a female-leaning space with some guys, like I am okay sharing a male-leaning space if I'm not spit on by everyone purely for being a woman. There will be assholes regardless of the measures put in place, no matter how high the walls or how rigorous the requirements are to be allowed in, as long as one is dealing with a public setting.

Edit: Just wanted to clarify my position on the idea of topic restriction. This isn't meant as an attack or anything.
 
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The idea that this would be an app for all women to use, in a space free of overt male presence. So if a woman is really keen to discuss male-centric topics with men, she can already do so anywhere else on the internet, including this very forum.

What Null is proposing, as I understand it, is an app with a USP, that being that it restricts entry to a specific, sofar very underserved, sector of the market. This app would be a place for women, and women-only, to discuss a wide variety of topics, even those (apparently predetermined) 'male-centric' topics.

Currently, women who want to shitpost with men and women have plenty of options. Men who want to shitpost with men and women have options. Men who want to shitpost with men have options. Women who want to shitpost with women have no options.

Hence, proposed app.

This isn't a complicated concept.

I'll leave aside the horrifying insinuation that men have taken their pick of preferred topics to own as 'male-centred', leaving women with whatever's left for 'our' topics, only because I don't even know where to begin with such a mindset. Holy shit.
 
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Hubelublub said:
The idea that this would be an app for all women to use, in a space free of overt male presence. So if a woman is really keen to discuss male-centric topics with men, she can already do so anywhere else on the internet, including this very forum.

What Null is proposing, as I understand it, is an app with a USP, that being that it restricts entry to a specific, sofar very underserved, sector of the market. This app would be a place for women, and women-only, to discuss a wide variety of topics, even those (apparently predetermined) 'male-centric' topics.

Currently, women who want to shitpost with men and women have plenty of options. Men who want to shitpost with men and women have options. Men who want to shitpost with men have options. Women who want to shitpost with women have no options.

Hence, proposed app.

This isn't a complicated concept.

I'll leave aside the horrifying insinuation that men have taken their pick of preferred topics to own as 'male-centred', leaving women with whatever's left for 'our' topics, only because I don't even know where to begin with such a mindset. Holy shit.
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I'd argue women had those spaces: fandom catered to a buttload of women and again, there are topics (celebrity gossip, dolls, knitting, motherhood - I'm only picking off from examples I have heard of myself) that had communities online that were mostly women. Then, before things got more homogenized, I'd argue apps like Instagram were always very female centric. On social media it was easy enough to find a 'female bubble' and hang around there. Sites had communities of women not necessarily for women but about topics that seemed to attract mostly women.

Cut to the LGBT takeover, the downfall of forums, and the lack of choice on the internet, and yes, a lot of these spaces have shrunk or simply vanished. But it isn't because women are underserved: it's because a fair amount of women online leave the gates open and let the rot in, then flee or stick around when shit worsens.

How would this proposed app be any different? My primary issue with this is, again: any man who wants to fuck shit up for women will make it their life's goal to gain access; it will be infected one way or another. So all that is being done is reducing the amount of women willing to go through the hoops to be let into this super secret society for the promise of conversation about 'anything and everything'... which they can talk about anywhere else, provided they make an effort to moderate their own spaces. And, again, I really think that's all this boils down to: better moderation is the key, not a fabled, gated Utopia.

And the insinuation is not that men can take their pick of preferred topics to 'own' as male-centric; there are just things that, universally, seem to attract one sex over the other. It goes both fucking ways, and it is not that women have 'whatever is left over'.

Let's start with two stereotypes: Men like cars, half-naked women, and sports. Women like animals, attractive men, and gossip. Thus, one might assume you would find more men on a car forum and more women on a gossip forum. Of course stereotypes do not apply to every single person on earth. There is likely a forum where women talk about sports, and a forum where men coo over animals. However, putting a focus on 'animals, attractive men, and gossip' would be a means to try and entice more females, based entirely off of those stereotypes.

That's all there is to it.
 
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crazedaze said:
A lot of people have said that controlling the topics of conversation, restricting it to cats and needlepoint is a way to keep men out, which was not part of the pitch by null and i find insulting. There should be no issue having having an off topic board and if some ladies want to sperg about male coded topics they should be allowed to do that.
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Hubelublub said:
Sounds like the average pickme won't be interested in using this app.

I'm liking the idea more and more.
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exactly kek

Cactus Concerto said:
So all that is being done is reducing the amount of women willing to go through the hoops to be let into this super secret society for the promise of conversation about 'anything and everything'... which they can talk about anywhere else, provided they make an effort to moderate their own spaces.
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It really has nothing to do with a lack of spaces where the topic is being discussed, it's about not wanting to be in the presence of males while discussing it because at the meta level they behave in alienating ways and are untrustworthy. Like I'm never gonna be able to hang out with a male dominated group talking about any male dominated topic without either: being assumed as male (alienating), the topic of anime and anime porn and sexuality being referenced no matter how off topic it is (alienating), or the constant sense that all of them are picturing fucking me if the connection is enduring enough for them to ever find out I'm not male (alienating, untrustworthy). I want one fucking place where I can reasonably assume these things aren't happening
 
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I'd join. I admit to being wary about the ID thing, but that's natural for any farmer.
An idea that amused me was a series of challenges, much like for the OnA forum, that real women would know but a troon would never be able to answer.

Example questions:
Q) Is it OK for women to wear tights for 4 days?
A) No (100% of troons will answer yes)

Q) If it's the last day of your period how many tampons will you need?
A) Anyone answering this with an actual number is a troon.

Q) Describe your first pillow fight.
A) Any answers that aren't "I've never had one" or "I was a kid, we beat each other with pillows" is a troon. They will write a giant paragraph of soft porn fantasies.

Q) Are you a fan of anime ?
A) Yes = BAN
 
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Jimmy Dean Bowl said:
I'd join. I admit to being wary about the ID thing, but that's natural for any farmer.
An idea that amused me was a series of challenges, much like for the OnA forum, that real women would know but a troon would never be able to answer.

Example questions:
Q) Is it OK for women to wear tights for 4 days?
A) No (100% of troons will answer yes)

Q) If it's the last day of your period how many tampons will you need?
A) Anyone answering this with an actual number is a troon.

Q) Describe your first pillow fight.
A) Any answers that aren't "I've never had one" or "I was a kid, we beat each other with pillows" is a troon. They will write a giant paragraph of soft porn fantasies.

Q) Are you a fan of anime ?
A) Yes = BAN
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Instant ban should also be an affirmative answer to the question "Do you own striped kneesocks"
 
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crazedaze said:
A lot of people have said that controlling the topics of conversation, restricting it to cats and needlepoint is a way to keep men out, which was not part of the pitch by null and i find insulting. There should be no issue having having an off topic board and if some ladies want to sperg about male coded topics they should be allowed to do that.
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It's not the topic of discussion that gets these assholes trying to get in, it's the specific fact they're excluded on purpose.
 
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I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but my initial reaction is how many troons would steal their sister's license along with their underwear to get in?

Either way, I like this idea.
 
Would like to throw in my +1 to this idea, and hope you find a suitable third-party ID verifier that actually supports checking the Sex field as well. I'd be up to pay a good penny to finally have a space like this as someone who's tried to and failed many times.
 
Unsolicited XY input here regarding an issue I don't see addressed in the OP: Is this achievable by one person who is already running a busy forum and dealing with constant attacks from every angle? Are there enough hours in the day to produce something functional, run the infrastructure, manage its community meanwhile keeping this place afloat and not completely burning out?

Perhaps I'm underestimating Null's work ethic and maybe he has Derrick Christmas in his pocket supplying the good stuff, but it's a lot to take on.

My suggestion is that women who desperately want online women-only spaces should reach out to Null and others for assistance. Make posts in I&T asking for advice on the technical stuff from evil "moids" and build resilient online communities that aren't reliant on a single man to operate. You needn't complicate it with ID verification like Null wants to, you could go invite-only, chain-ban anyone who lets a troon in and you can do that with off-the-shelf forum software.

Even if Null delivers on the Feminine Farms, it's not going to appear overnight, whereas setting up a forum on a new VPS is easier than you think and there's free-speech providers out there who will respect your right to freely associate. (Crunchbits is my personal recommendation)
 
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Please ban pooners, yes the concept of making them go above and beyond to prove they are women is hilarious but they are extremely mentally ill so they are insufferable. They have the most retarded takes on everything. They ruin women's communities all the time. Being a pooner is the ultimate NLOG condition, she thinks she is just so different than other women that she can't be a woman.

Pooner clicks a post full of women complaining about moids and says "H-hi, this is giving transphobe y'all... My pronouns are he/they and these generalizations are not it :/ I get that cis men can be toxic but not all boys are like that..."
 
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Tutu said:
Please ban pooners
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Discrimination on the basis of homosexuality or transgender status requires an employer to intentionally treat employees differently because of their sex—the very practice Title VII prohibits in all manifestations.
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Banning pooners and troons in a women-only app would be far more work than simply calling up Elliot Fong-Jones and asking how many $thousands$ he'd like from Null, and the end effect would be exactly the same.
 
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Back in my day we used to laugh at feminists who demanded a safe space, what went wrong?

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