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[Midwit]

Arent most of the arguments/laws around kei trucks being in the highway more about how they cant survive crashes with anything at highway speeds?

And that's if they can actually get to highway speeds and be stable enough to drive safely at them, the low power is one thing but these things also have small wheels, short wheelbases and stiff rear suspension to stop it from bottoming out when loaded which all combines to make it far harder to control at speed than not only a full size truck but even a car of an equivalent size and wheelbase due them being designed to travel at those speeds safely. Kei vans seem to top out at around 2.5m which is about as small as a subcompact these days, and even the smaller european vans like the Ford Transit are 3.3m at the lowest (for a car equivalent that's akin to a 70s Cadillac) since you need it for the sake of stability.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Doesn't seem to be pushing an urbanist viewpoint according to summarize.tech:

Yeah, it's actually against all the tight, limited parking lots and parking garages in urban areas, nevertheless, retards immediately jump to the "surface lots bad" conclusion.

 

[CoolFool]

Was told to bring this discussion here. Remember those "15 minute cities" in the UK? This is now entering USA discourse. I was surveyed a week ago about if I had ever heard about 15 minute cities, and today YouGov released a chat survey asking people's opinions about them. It didn't mention anything about the fact that you are limited to your district and would need a permit to drive outside of it.

These 15 minute cities didn't do well in the UK, right? So what hope do they have of it happening in the USA?

 

[ᚠᚢᚦᚩᚱᚳ]

It didn't mention anything about the fact that you are limited to your district and would need a permit to drive outside of it.

I'm pretty sure that's not the case outside of a cuckold empire known for confiscating bicycle tires (tyres for the toothless) as dangerous weapons. If someone tried to do that to me in America, I'd simply remember to bring a handgun next time.

 

[Yamamura]

Urbanism is really going to be the new atheism isn't it. Well I guess I shouldn't say going to be, it's already there. It has a lot of the hallmarks that the old atheism/skeptic community used to.

• They're obnoxious,
• They find every opportunity to cram it into a discussion
• They generally rehearse all their arguments in order to convert people
• The worst of them come from the subreddit
• They have a group of youtube personalities they follow for their opinions

If it ends the same way as the atheism community did, people will generally get sick of them and start ripping on them.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Urbanism is really going to be the new atheism isn't it. Well I guess I shouldn't say going to be, it's already there. It has a lot of the hallmarks that the old atheism/skeptic community used to.

• They're obnoxious,
• They find every opportunity to cram it into a discussion
• They generally rehearse all their arguments in order to convert people
• The worst of them come from the subreddit
• They have a group of youtube personalities they follow for their opinions

If it ends the same way as the atheism community did, people will generally get sick of them and start ripping on them.

Unlike atheism which is more of a lack of proof between the existence of a God or lack thereof, urbanism has a bunch of objectively false bullshit passed off as true.

 

[IdiotPlusPlus]

Urbanism is really going to be the new atheism isn't it. Well I guess I shouldn't say going to be, it's already there. It has a lot of the hallmarks that the old atheism/skeptic community used to.

• They're obnoxious,
• They find every opportunity to cram it into a discussion
• They generally rehearse all their arguments in order to convert people
• The worst of them come from the subreddit
• They have a group of youtube personalities they follow for their opinions

If it ends the same way as the atheism community did, people will generally get sick of them and start ripping on them.

You forgot 'ignorant of everything but their talking points' and 'mental age of a 14 year old' from those points xD

Case in Point;


Apparently asking cyclists to use lights is now 'victim blaming' despite the fact it's such a recognized safety improvements cars are getting DRL's.

Also a safety organization saying 'wearing black in poor weather or because it's the only colour you can buy is bad for being visible to traffic' is also bad and carbrained.

"Do these people hear themselves at all?"

The irony xD

 

[ᚠᚢᚦᚩᚱᚳ]

Apparently asking cyclists to use lights is now 'victim blaming' despite the fact it's such a recognized safety improvements cars are getting DRL's.

That's actually insane. I've commuted a ton by bike in the dark, let's say 2.5k mi at a minimum, and it's always been in my best interest to use lights. I even got pulled over once because "my lights weren't bright enough," but they dropped it when I asked if the police would give me a brighter set. The police frequently gave free bike lights to anyone who showed up.

 

[Markass the Worst]

You forgot 'ignorant of everything but their talking points' and 'mental age of a 14 year old' from those points xD

Case in Point;
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Apparently asking cyclists to use lights is now 'victim blaming' despite the fact it's such a recognized safety improvements cars are getting DRL's.

Also a safety organization saying 'wearing black in poor weather or because it's the only colour you can buy is bad for being visible to traffic' is also bad and carbrained.

The irony xD

How would they react when their bike gets niggered? If they say they should have locked it up to prevent it from being stolen, is that "victim blaming"?

Point being "victim blaming" is used as a cudgel to shut down any discussion of solutions that don't involve banning cars.

 

[Big Budoo Troy]

Urbanism is really going to be the new atheism isn't it. Well I guess I shouldn't say going to be, it's already there. It has a lot of the hallmarks that the old atheism/skeptic community used to.

Agree with everything that's been said but I will give the reddit atheists the benefit of the doubt in that many of them probably turned to it because they were disillusioned with religion.
If r/fuckcars is anything to go by then half of the urbanists including the most insufferable either never have or have no intention of owning a car, so their opinion is even less relevant.

 

[sum ting wong]

Urbanism is really going to be the new atheism isn't it. Well I guess I shouldn't say going to be, it's already there. It has a lot of the hallmarks that the old atheism/skeptic community used to.

• They're obnoxious,
• They find every opportunity to cram it into a discussion
• They generally rehearse all their arguments in order to convert people
• The worst of them come from the subreddit
• They have a group of youtube personalities they follow for their opinions

If it ends the same way as the atheism community did, people will generally get sick of them and start ripping on them.

I think Urbanism is more filled with people who would have been considered hipsters 10 years ago, although you could probably argue they're the same group. But I think the new atheism is actually antinatalism and there's some other sub (I think it starts with a 'v') that sometimes gets posted in the reddit thread which is like veganism on steroids, where they complain that people and animals shouldn't exist and they get mad that animals eat other animals to survive.

 

[Meriasek]

That video looks familiar, I'm pretty sure it's by some dude that's been mentioned here a couple times before but I don't remember the name. Notorious for videoing himself and a bunch of other people riding like maniacs across new york, there's multiple videos of them hitting cars/breaking mirrors and running off. Anyone remember the channel?

Might be Terry B, he films a lot of NYC Alleycats and fixed gear maniacs all over the world.

https://www.youtube.com/@TerryB

/edit:
It is quite fascinating to watch, especially as someone who does ride a fixed gear occasionally, but man, I'd never ever ride like that. My bike has a brake, although I try to not use it. Instead I ride carefully, adhere to every rule, and knowing that my stopping distance is mildly shit, I never assume that I've been seen or have right of way. Given that slowing down on a fixed gear takes nearly as much energy as accelerating, it makes for an actually more exhausting ride sometimes. Wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but it's a fun feeling to me, I like it. The way the pedals constantly move makes the pedaling motion very "round" and smooth, and the lack of free wheel action makes it very quiet. It's quick on the straights when you know you won't need to stop, though.

 

[Big Budoo Troy]

Might be Terry B, he films a lot of NYC Alleycats and fixed gear maniacs all over the world.

https://www.youtube.com/@TerryB

Yeah thats the one. I remember seeing that video on page 236 of this thread, actual insanity. If you drove a car or a motorbike like that you'd cop a dangerous driving charge and lose your license. The fact that this dude isn't up to his eyeballs in fines shows the carbrain system isn't trying to fuck over cyclists nearly as much as some people would have you believe.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Was told to bring this discussion here. Remember those "15 minute cities" in the UK? This is now entering USA discourse. I was surveyed a week ago about if I had ever heard about 15 minute cities, and today YouGov released a chat survey asking people's opinions about them. It didn't mention anything about the fact that you are limited to your district and would need a permit to drive outside of it.

These 15 minute cities didn't do well in the UK, right? So what hope do they have of it happening in the USA?

If you have a car, pretty much every medium-sized city in America is a 15-minute city, but the urbanists don't like hearing that. 99% of what I do in my city is within a 15-minute drive of my house.

 

[The Grimace]

These 15 minute cities didn't do well in the UK, right?

What happened with them? Did it mean Somalians could go around to rape and steal more?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Point being "victim blaming" is used as a cudgel to shut down any discussion of solutions that don't involve banning cars.

Victim blaming is such a copout. Just because you say that someone should take precautions doesn’t mean that if something happens to him it was right and good that it happened. If a car hits a bicyclist it’s almost always the car’s fault in some way, even if the bicyclist could’ve done things and should’ve done things to prevent it. It still doesn’t matter if you’re dead.

I can’t afford anything but black clothes is also hilarious. Just shoplift from a Goodwill if you have to.

People seem to be unable to understand that a woman should not wear skimpy clothing in the wrong part of town AND that her eventual rapist should be put to death.

 

[Meriasek]

Yeah thats the one. I remember seeing that video on page 236 of this thread, actual insanity. If you drove a car or a motorbike like that you'd cop a dangerous driving charge and lose your license. The fact that this dude isn't up to his eyeballs in fines shows the carbrain system isn't trying to fuck over cyclists nearly as much as some people would have you believe.

Can't really catch cyclists like that, I guess. But it's madness and while it looks cool on video, it is absolute shithead behaviour.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Can't really catch cyclists like that, I guess. But it's madness and while it looks cool on video, it is absolute shithead behaviour.

If they wanted to, they could. Either by requiring cycle license plates (do they realize this is coming if biking becomes a major issue?) or by grunt police work (and/or legalizing sticking, well, sticks in spokes by citizens when they see faggotry like that).

These idiots don't even have the self-awareness the NRA has (and let me tell you, those faggots aren't very self aware): you have to police yourself if you want people who just don't care at all about you or your cause to give a shit. The NRA works on training people about gun safety and has probably saved way more lives than niggers have ended with guns. Pro-transit and pro-cycling groups (as opposed to anti-dad/anti-car) should be encouraging helmets, safe riding, lights, everything. Then the people who don't care lean in the "eh, why not" as opposed to the current "fuck off faggot".

 

[quaawaa]

Can't really catch cyclists like that, I guess. But it's madness and while it looks cool on video, it is absolute shithead behaviour.

You absolutely can if they film themselves committing crimes and post to YouTube under their real name. The urbanist government of NYC just has no interest in enforcing laws against cyclists.

Speaking of which, remember how urbanists claim that bike lanes make it easier for emergency vehicles to get around (Jason said this in his firetruck hate video). Well, road dieting doesn’t seem to have worked well for NYC’s emergency response times:

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EMS average response times to life-threatening situations has climbed from roughly 9 minutes and 40 seconds in 2014 to 12 minutes and 26 seconds this year, a 29 percent increase, according to the report. City data show increased travel time is responsible for a minute and a half of the added delay.

The NYPD’s responses to so-called “critical” incidents — like shootings, robberies or burglaries — has gone up 23 percent over the same period, from just under 8 minutes in 2014 to 9 minutes and 41 seconds in 2024. Most of that difference — 1 minute and 23 seconds — can be ascribed to increased travel time.

Guess when NYC started deliberatey slowing down traffic?

Vision Zero is a program created by New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio in 2014. Its purpose is to eliminate all traffic deaths and serious injuries on New York City streets by 2024. On January 15, 2014, Mayor de Blasio announced the launch of Vision Zero in New York City, based on a similar program of the same name that was implemented in Sweden.

It's also been a total failure for safety:

In 2013 there were 286 traffic fatalities. 2014 saw the fewest pedestrian fatalities since 1910, with 132 deaths. However, traffic injuries and traffic crashes in New York City under de Blasio's mayoralty have been increasing.

There have been both a greater number of crashes since the program began, according to New York City Police Department data. Collisions on New York City streets increased over 11% between 2014 and 2018. In 2014, there were 205,486 such collisions; that number rose to 228,227 in 2018. There has also been a steadily rising injury toll, according to New York City Police Department data. Between 2014 and 2018, collisions resulting in injuries increased by 18% ( from 37,556 in 2014, to 44,508 in 2018 ).

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The trend doesn't appear to have changed since the Wikipedia article was written:

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Reddit's response is to blame Uber and a lack of congestion pricing for the slow downs:

Remember NYC has lost population since Vision Zero started, so there should be fewer people driving:


One redditor was smart enough to point out the real reason for the increased congestion:

Someone else warns them that congestion pricing will increase prices at businesses they shop at, only to be told that's false because of "five thousand pages of studies" and that even if it caused an increase in prices it would be "a killer deal":

Literally "it won't happen but if it did it would be a good thing".
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[Apple Porcupine]

Urbanism is really going to be the new atheism isn't it. Well I guess I shouldn't say going to be, it's already there. It has a lot of the hallmarks that the old atheism/skeptic community used to.

• They're obnoxious,
• They find every opportunity to cram it into a discussion
• They generally rehearse all their arguments in order to convert people
• The worst of them come from the subreddit
• They have a group of youtube personalities they follow for their opinions

If it ends the same way as the atheism community did, people will generally get sick of them and start ripping on them.

Not remotely surprising when you consider the religious makeup of the urbanism Mecca:

There's a reason Jason and all the other urbanists don't acknowledge churches as true "third places" by their metric.