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[Party Hat Wurmple]

Yeah, also Trump allowed himself to get fact checked, which isn't a good look. I was shocked when Vance challenged the mods for pulling that shit, and they actually kept his mic on long enough to get his point out.

You know what's most important is what people talk about the next day. That's all that matters. All people talked about the next day about the Presidential debate was how the moderators sucked, completely stealing away any victory Kamala may or may not have had. Which is terrible for her. Meanwhile, for the VP debate, all anyone can talk about is how it was a better debate, and "I've become friends with school shooters". Which isn't good for Democrats. These debates have done nothing for Kamala or Walz. It was a complete exercise in futility.

 

[Rick's Beef Wellington]

Yeah, also Trump allowed himself to get fact checked, which isn't a good look. I was shocked when Vance challenged the mods for pulling that shit, and they actually kept his mic on long enough to get his point out.

This is why JD is so good, I'm pretty new to liking Trump and my criticism is always that I just wish he could explain things better because he's right about a lot of things but is a terrible messenger. JD pointed out that the moderators lied about not doing "fact checking" then barrelled through his reply to make sure people heard the truth. Trump would have called them nasty women and said he never should have agreed to be there and the moderators's lie would have stood.

 

[Irregardless]

Feel free to UHM ACKSHULLY me when I'm wrong, I do that shit to other people all the time.

As for the debate: watch the whole thing. It's so worth it. Vance was presidential. I actually ended up liking Tim Walz because he was genuinely polite and nice to Vance - as was Vance to Walz, which is a really nice thing to see nowadays when everyone hates each other so much. Vance reserved his derision for the moderators, who deserved it.

I had to clock out before the debate concluded. Was there any great salt mining?

Like you said, Vance came out of this looking presidential, and Walz came out of this looking kind. Now as for who won? I'm partisan, but I think this was a solid Republican W. The Dems were expecting Vance to be an uncharismatic mess, and were banking on Walz taking JD to task in the wise old man "Look here son, let me school you" kind of way, which did not happen. The hope for Dems was that JD was going to come off as a weird, unrelatable stiff and that the contrast of Walz being the kind old wise man would bring over some independents who were concerned about Trump/Kamala's personalities and wanted an adult in the room.

This is why JD is so good, I'm pretty new to liking Trump and my criticism is always that I just wish he could explain things better because he's right about a lot of things but is a terrible messenger. JD pointed out that the moderators lied about not doing "fact checking" then barrelled through his reply to make sure people heard the truth. Trump would have called them nasty women and said he never should have agreed to be there and the moderators's lie would have stood.

I've always liked Trump just because he's funny, but what you pointed out is exactly the issue a lot of people even on Trump's side have, and it's that he doesn't drive points home in a "political" way that make a strong argument for people not already on his side. Vance was polite, likable, and was on the ball answer for answer, even on the abortion issue which has always been a huge losing issue both optically and policy-wise. I think the biggest thing he brought to the table is that if someone were to say "I just hate Trump-Vance" a reasonable response would be "What's wrong with Vance?" and they'd actually have to say something other than "He's an idiot and an asshole".

 

[Fapcop]

Was there anyone else lining up for the job? There was that one jew, but he got ruled out because of is IDF connections. No one with an actual political future wanted to touch Kamala's campaign.

Yup. They know it’s not a sure thing. Likely a loss.

Any Dem with half a brain and potential for a campaign, is sitting this one out and will wait for 2028 to be the “I’ll restore normalcy!” Candidate.

 

[Local Farmer]

Vance crying about being checked on his bullshit is totally going to secure Trump the win this time!

Nooo Stalker child, it is you who will be getting twenty trillion Haitians

 

[CharlesBarkley]

I’m starting to think poll groups only use Reddit and furry boards to get post debate polls.

“WALZ IS ACTULLY UP AND AMERICA THINKS VANCE SMIRK MEANS HE RAPED SOMEONE.” -Poll consisting of two fat white ladies on Reddit who are mentally handicapped with brain hole.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Like you said, Vance came out of this looking presidential, and Walz came out of this looking kind. Now as for who won? I'm partisan, but I think this was a solid Republican W. The Dems were expecting Vance to be an uncharismatic mess, and were banking on Walz taking JD to task in the wise old man "Look here son, let me school you" kind of way, which did not happen. The hope for Dems was that JD was going to come off as a weird, unrelatable stiff and that the contrast of Walz being the kind old wise man would bring over some independents who were concerned about Trump/Kamala's personalities and wanted an adult in the room.

I expected Walz to be catty, but he came across to me as a nice dude. Sweaty and fidgety, but not evil. I'm sure there are skeletons in his closet with respect to China, but we'll see what happens there.

When Vance extended condolences to Walz, especially regarding his son witnessing a shooting, Walz took it and did not attempt to turn it around in any way. This was kind of a big deal to me because that takes serious guts. A humble person will take well wishes from a rival, acknowledge it, and take it for what it is. A lesser man would have taken that and turned it into a "Republicans pounce" point in the debate, but Walz did not do that.

I'm still pro-Trump and I'm even more pro-Vance after this debate, but I like Walz a lot more and hate Kamala a lot more for treating him the way that she does.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

This is why JD is so good, I'm pretty new to liking Trump and my criticism is always that I just wish he could explain things better because he's right about a lot of things but is a terrible messenger. JD pointed out that the moderators lied about not doing "fact checking" then barrelled through his reply to make sure people heard the truth. Trump would have called them nasty women and said he never should have agreed to be there and the moderators's lie would have stood.

Trump's biggest strength can also be his biggest weakness, especially on the debate stage.

For example, Trump's debate with Kamala: Trump took the crowd size bait when he shouldn't have ... But then, later in the debate, he stole the "I'm speaking" moment away from Kamala, which was amazing lol. Trump's "bull in a china shop" approach to debating has successfully thrown well-seasoned politicians off their game in a big bad way (especially during the Republican Primaries of 2016), but there are moments where he falls into a trap where he shouldn't. Trump's personality also helped him in his debate against Biden this past Summer-- "I don't know what he just said, and I don't think he knows either" sealed Biden's fate.

I think that Trump won the debate against Kamala, don't get me wrong ... But I don't think it was this flawless victory, especially with the terrible moderators and the fact that there was no audience.

Trump's personality also excels when it comes to Town Halls, moreso than debates. Even when he calls the moderators "Nasty Women," he is still able to reign it in when needed.

Vance did everything he needed to last night AND more. It made me excited to vote for him in 2028, and it made me feel very secure about Trump's VP pick.

 

[GunCar Gary]

Walz ... Sweaty and fidgety, but not evil.

hi, hello. you seem to be having a senior moment where your memory has become that of a goldfish. here is something to jog your memory on Minnesota's leadership under kind old man Walz

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

I expected Walz to be catty, but he came across to me as a nice dude. Sweaty and fidgety, but not evil. I'm sure there are skeletons in his closet with respect to China, but we'll see what happens there.

When Vance extended condolences to Walz, especially regarding his son witnessing a shooting, Walz took it and did not attempt to turn it around in any way. This was kind of a big deal to me because that takes serious guts. A humble person will take well wishes from a rival, acknowledge it, and take it for what it is. A lesser man would have taken that and turned it into a "Republicans pounce" point in the debate, but Walz did not do that.

Maybe that's Walz's strength but don't let that distract you from the fact he's a duplicitous snake of a man. He still name dropped Amber Thurman, spouting media lies about her story. He still had the gall to insist that healthy people should be paying the most into healthcare as of it were a socialist system. He still went out of his way to bring up January 6th thinking he would catch Vance in a gotcha moment, and Vance just smiled because he knew it was coming. It doesn't change the fact he openly lied about things he did in Minnesota. If anything, he's a good actor and little else. It's hard to give him compliments when there's no substance behind the things he says and I KNOW he's lying.

If anything, I'd argue it's Vance's strength that he let Walz maintain that level of humility without attacking him for it. He could've gone after Walz for lying, but he didn't. That's why Walz was able to humble himself as much as he did. Vance let him get comfortable. And what happened? Walz made his own mistakes.

 

[Sithis]

I expected Walz to be catty, but he came across to me as a nice dude. Sweaty and fidgety, but not evil. I'm sure there are skeletons in his closet with respect to China, but we'll see what happens there.

If there was an iota of success for the Dems in that debate, it seems to be that they've conned a lot of people into not seeing the devil plainly in front of them.
Walz is at best a malignant sociopathic Chinese asset and is potentially an abusive alcoholic with far too much familiarity with pedo friendly causes to not warrant a hard drive search. He gets by in life entirely because, like many of them do, he has learned to chameleon himself into seeming like just an ordinary fellow with some quirks but overall very Midwestern. His actions in office, the words he uses to describe the ideology he holds, the way he carries himself when not in performing mode - I would bet money that fucker has skeletons in his closet that go far beyond "maybe perhaps was unwittingly a Chinese asset."

 

[derpherp2]

I’m starting to think poll groups only use Reddit and furry boards to get post debate polls.

“WALZ IS ACTULLY UP AND AMERICA THINKS VANCE SMIRK MEANS HE RAPED SOMEONE.” -Poll consisting of two fat white ladies on Reddit who are mentally handicapped with brain hole.

If BPGoonergate didn't tell you autists that old fat women have a weird relationship with wanting to rape someone, wanting to fuck someone, and projection. I don't know what else to tell you A&Niggers.

I'll give any young men here some advice: If ANYONE says "you act old for your age" and you're like, below 25. They want to fuck you. And they're probably pedos. Fucking run.

 

[Why am I doing this?]

Malik Obama is still on our side.
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Biden and Obama for Trump?! Incredible

 

[oh no its pipkun]

this is also the profile of every single democrat in washington so i'm willing to declare this a wash in Vance vs the competition

its supposed to be an attack on your principles. it'd work if we were mccainite cuckservative instead of MAGA populists.

 

[Necrosan]

I expected Walz to be catty, but he came across to me as a nice dude. Sweaty and fidgety, but not evil. I'm sure there are skeletons in his closet with respect to China, but we'll see what happens there.

There is an accidental but really appropiate quote during the debate from Walz that was outshined by the school shooter line.

"I'm a knucklehead, I make mistakes, that's why I was appointed into Congress!".

I do believe him when he says this, he is a retard that only does what he is told. When he goes off script or does something on his own accord, you get lines like the ones tonight, lines like the ones Kamala also gives when she goes off script.

Imagine saying something like that in an interview and still expect to get the job. It's amazing to me just how replaceable these people are, they are essentially robots and the tiny moments where they act on their own accord they say the stupidest shit ever. It's why I think that you could shrink the Government's size by 50%-60% and lose absolutely nothing.

 

[derpherp2]

its supposed to be an attack on your principles. it'd work if we were mccainite cuckservative instead of MAGA populists.

I am an accelerationist fuck you.
Not the burn everything down kind the poetic irony by giving people exactly what they want but not what they need kind.

There's just very little difference when I'm poetic ironying the DNC because they WANT to burn everything down when they don't get their way. For some stupid reason? I guess they just think it won't start with them, much less only effect them and no one else. Lmao.
Like I get illusion of power, but this is delusion of power at this point.

 

[Overly Serious]

Well I'm only a third of the way through but what I've observed now is that both VP candidates are more able to speak coherently than their actual presidential candidates.

I haven't reached the "friends of school shooters" gaff yet but though he started off looking terrified and lowered it only so far as "not quite hiding his fear", Waltz did come across better as time went on.

Both candidates started off with a high level of unfamiliarity with the voters so I'd say this is a win for both of them as they both gained some needed visibility and for that reason, I don't think the CNN poll is necessarily wrong just because both candidates gained at the same time. I think that's what has actually happened.

JD Vance saying he'd support Israel whatever they choose to do means nationalists still lack a candidate who actually represents them no matter how much Trump is seen as a break from the Uniparty.

 

[Vinluv Handesbukia]

Died first 2024 presidential debate Born first 2024 vice presidential debate, welcome back Dark Brandon

 

[Cemetery Support]

I am an accelerationist fuck you.

No, fuck you! Goodness will win, motherfucker! Everything is gonna be okay, motherfucker! Fuck you!

Well I'm only a third of the way through but what I've observed now is that both VP candidates are more able to speak coherently than their actual presidential candidates.

I'm envious that you get to watch it for the first time. It truly feels like debate is back, baby!!

Thread Tax:
WSJ Fact Check did not call out Walz for claiming that Vance and Trump are part of Project 2025.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Trump's biggest strength can also be his biggest weakness, especially on the debate stage.

For example, Trump's debate with Kamala: Trump took the crowd size bait when he shouldn't have ... But then, later in the debate, he stole the "I'm speaking" moment away from Kamala, which was amazing lol. Trump's "bull in a china shop" approach to debating has successfully thrown well-seasoned politicians off their game in a big bad way (especially during the Republican Primaries of 2016), but there are moments where he falls into a trap where he shouldn't. Trump's personality also helped him in his debate against Biden this past Summer-- "I don't know what he just said, and I don't think he knows either" sealed Biden's fate.

I think that Trump won the debate against Kamala, don't get me wrong ... But I don't think it was this flawless victory, especially with the terrible moderators and the fact that there was no audience.

Trump's personality also excels when it comes to Town Halls, moreso than debates. Even when he calls the moderators "Nasty Women," he is still able to reign it in when needed.

Vance did everything he needed to last night AND more. It made me excited to vote for him in 2028, and it made me feel very secure about Trump's VP pick.

Trump isn't a terribly well-read or analytical guy, but he has a gut-level, intuitive perceptiveness that makes him successful. He knows how to size up a person or a crowd and he knows when it's the right moment to attack.