Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

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Redot is getting spammed by what seems to be teenagers and kids.
this reminds me of how leftists on Reddit will get rid of a subreddit they hate by spamming it with child pornography and then reporting it to admins for having forbidden material

the ultimate goal here is likely to get Redot banned from GitHub and then grave dance that the nazi chuds couldn't keep a fork running due to a lack of CoC
 
this reminds me of how leftists on Reddit will get rid of a subreddit they hate by spamming it with child pornography and then reporting it to admins for having forbidden material

the ultimate goal here is likely to get Redot banned from GitHub and then grave dance that the nazi chuds couldn't keep a fork running due to a lack of CoC
I don't think so. How would spamming it with nonsense by non-affiliated accounts cause the project to be banned? Github sees those aren't the developers and maintainers.
 
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I don't think so. How would spamming it with nonsense by non-affiliated accounts cause the project to be banned? Github sees those aren't the developers and maintainers.
How do alt accounts that only post in a single subreddit get the reddit banned? Corpos don't give two shits about whether or not you in particular are the one causing the problem, problems get swept up.
 
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the ultimate goal here is likely to get Redot banned from GitHub and then grave dance that the nazi chuds couldn't keep a fork running due to a lack of CoC
Very likely what they're planning, but I doubt this is going to work. Github may be owned by Microshit, but it's (sadly) close to tech infrastructure and people did not like the way they proactively locked the accounts involved in the xz-utils drama.
 
How do alt accounts that only post in a single subreddit get the reddit banned? Corpos don't give two shits about whether or not you in particular are the one causing the problem, problems get swept up.
Any precedent for that? That's a completely different website, with completely different goals. Github support is typically very helpful and it's their job, among others, to curb spam. I've never seen them delete any repos other than for DMCA takedowns or something outright illegal. Github is not Reddit.
 
Github support is typically very helpful and it's their job, among others, to curb spam. I've never seen them delete any repos other than for DMCA takedowns or something outright illegal. Github is not Reddit.
GitHub absolutely censors. It's not much different from Reddit or Facebook. Banning happens less often because people use it for work and so push the envelope less there.

One memorable example is from back in 2013, when the "feminist programming language" C+= (C plus equality) was documented in a repo there. It was a satire of some idiot feminist's claim that programming languages are unfriendly to women. GitHub banned the repo, as did others such as BitBucket and GitLab.
On December 14th, the repositories were banned from both GitHub and BitBucket.
Coverage on Slashdot: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/...takes-down-satirical-c-plus-equality-language
The banning is believed to have happened because of an article written by our own lolcow Molly White:
Molly's thread: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/molly-white-gorillawarfare-watchfulprotector-theunicyclegirl.110004/
(It seems it's back on GitHub now that the original furor died down.)

Another example from last year is the word-enjoyer repo: https://archive.is/THpk0
Banned for obvious reasons.

GitHub now pushes tranny codes of conduct, and so you can expect that any political commentary that troons don't like is in danger of removal.
 
While entertaining I can't help but cringe at Redot. It's already a long-term ongoing pain to simply "track upstream". Building off downstream fork code is always questionable. Redot has no future as a downstream fork. They have no direction. Saying "everything" is naive and a cope. People using Godot in a serious capacity are already running off their own personal forks because there's a lot of random issues with the engines. Why would he care about Redot? It would just make him a downstream fork of a downstream fork.

If it was me I'd start removing all code that isn't compatible with the OpenGL 3 ES/WebGL2 renderer and seeing how small I can get my HTML5 exports. Who cares about Vulkan, it doesn't matter. Fuck Metal too. Take a new path with the engine instead of being a downstream fork. A game engine is already a huge project, making it smaller is a move towards a more sustainable goal. Less, not more.

I agree. I am going to preface this by saying I am an old "fuddy duddy" and my professional graphics experience is just scientific and some industrial (and never tried to build a game other than my own little autistic train and plane simulators), but I honestly think OpenGL is pretty reasonable for 2D or simple 3D and works fucking everywhere. I still like immediate mode, even though it's legitimately inefficient for newer GPUs; you can get a lot of shit done fast with VBOs and display lists, and I find GLSL to be pretty reasonable. I have no idea on mobile (probably worse), but I have found that recentish GPUs (not even "good" GPUs) and CPUs will let you be a total retard and do shit like excessively load in and out shaders and textures in the most brain damaged way possible and still manage to make 30-40FPS+. Good "modern" OpenGL code written reasonably well is very fast.

On the other hand, the memes about Vulkan needing 9 gorillion lines to draw a triangle are no joke (having tried once), and yeah I agree Metal is total AIDs, and apparently other devs agree seeing as Apple still hasn't dropped OpenGL support despite threatening for ages now. For something that does 2D or simple 3D games, why you would pick those or DX12 over OpenGL 4 and its embedded and web cousins, I have no god damn idea, unless you enjoyed pain and wanted to stupidly ape whatever retarded shit AAA studios are doing. Maybe I should learn how to do WebGL, if it's really just OpenGL ES.


Not only is the WWW a total clusterfuck regardless of other concerns, but who wants to be even more beholden to Google? Google can make one change to Chrome and destroy years of work. Fuck, targeting these standards may as well be targeting the Google Chrome engine more than anything else.

This causes me no end of grief. When I actually design something I both want and expect other people to use, I want to have multiple implementations, including one in Smalltalk so that one of the WWW implementations of Smalltalk can be provided to people who won't download anything else. This seems to be the safest way to do it. The implementation could still be useful outside of a WWW browser, this way. Does anyone here have any experience with any approach like this?

You're not alone in deeply disliking "Chromium" being basically the Web Standard, but at least as far as I can tell, Firefox also does WebGL too (for whatever that's worth). I'm also going to have an extremely autistic powerlevel for a moment, and say that I've occasionally worked towards doing what you've suggested. I like Forth and Factor, and have found myself writing Forth interpreters for all sorts of shit just to be able to use the same vocabularies in various places. If I wanted shit to run everywhere for everyone, that's probably the approach I would take. It's all just fucking stack machines everywhere anyways.

Thread tax: I had the misfortune of needing to leverage PAM recently, and was doing some digging. The only thing I dislike more than fucking retarded furry troons injecting their shit into everything, is when they do it, and make a bunch of bogus claims without understanding what it is they're talking about. "Xe" may have been mentioned before, but jesus christ I don't understand how you can write something like this, and not feel a deep sense of shame: https://xeiaso.net/talks/surreal-horror-pam-2021-11-09/ (https://archive.ph/3t0mt ). I think I got fucking turbo AIDs browsing that person(?)'s website.
 
It's all just fucking stack machines everywhere anyways.
Stack machines are so neat, but they're usually nicest when there's a narrow focus and the important routines have been prepackaged. Every time I want to use Forth, I just use APL instead.
The only thing I dislike more than fucking retarded furry troons injecting their shit into everything, is when they do it, and make a bunch of bogus claims without understanding what it is they're talking about.
I just finished reading it, so I'd be interested in the rundown of false claims therein. I know this kind of thing is a giant clusterfuck, so I never want to learn about it, which means I can't verify it for myself.
"Xe" may have been mentioned before
Yes, I've written about him and Soatok here, just a little:
Now, back on the topic of Lobsters, I've remembered these two furry-flavoured faggots who often submit their work there:
https://xeiaso.net (archive)
https://soatok.blog (archive)

Either of these fools, if given attention, warrants more than a mere mention in this thread. They may deserve dedicated threads. The latter is our typical obnoxious furry who injects his fursona into his articles:
https://soatok.blog/2023/03/01/database-cryptography-fur-the-rest-of-us/ (archive)
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The former is more interesting. Being a furry isn't enough, so he's another faggot who also claims to be a plural system, which means he pretends to have multiple personalities. Like the latter furry, he injects his multiple fursonas into his articles, each one supposedly a different personality or some stupid shit:
https://xeiaso.net/blog/coffee-isekai (archive)
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This article goes into great detail about how his Fluttershy tulpa helps him to correct his programs:
https://xeiaso.net/blog/plurality-driven-development-2019-08-04 (archive)

Now, I don't personally dislike either of these fools, and they can act as foolish in public as they wish, but if they do so then they need to be prepared for some good, old-fashioned public mockery in-turn, right?

If either of these fools warrants a thread, I should probably write it before this thread leaves the Prospering Grounds, so they won't notice too early.

>tfw no pony tulpa who helps me to write code
I'll have to make do with just one mind. It's what she would've wanted.
I'm aiming to have a thread on Soatok finished within the year, but I don't particularly care about Xeiaso. I don't know, I wrote that early last year, and I've been exposed to so much horrible information here since that they don't really phase me anymore.
 
I just finished reading it, so I'd be interested in the rundown of false claims therein. I know this kind of thing is a giant clusterfuck, so I never want to learn about it, which means I can't verify it for myself.
Autistic rant, sorry. Quick things that are stupid in that article, in order
/etc/shadow is a recent addition
Only if you consider the late 1980's to be "recent."
mostly because /etc/passwd is world-readable by design for some arcane reason that I can’t find on Google
If this person had spent more than 30 seconds doing research, they'd understand that "passwd" is a misnomer now, and unless you're using LDAP for everything, it's precisely world readable because it's how everything figures out what user is which, and doesn't contain anything sensitive like password hashes.
Some of the huge downsides are that it only works on one machine at the time...You could JUST put the files on a network filesystem. That would make them immutable to whoever tries to mess with them on an individual machine. However the peak of network filesystem security on Linux is “don’t get your network hacked lol”.
Not entirely wrong that NFS stock doesn't have SMB style access control nor encryption, but the entire statement ignores that basically for Unix auth for a long time the answer was basically using rsync (or glorified rsync with shell tools) to synchronize configuration files if you were a smallish shop (or Ansible now, which makes it even easier) if you didn't have a huge fleet of shit to keep up with (and if you did you were using LDAP or RADIUS or something similar). I've never woken up and thought "huh NFS is shit, but it wouldn't be shit if I bodged in TLS", and don't understand why anyone would either. If you need to send it across an untrusted network, this is what shit like VPNs are for, and NFS does Kerberos auth anyways. For the target market for NFS, encryption by wrapping in shit like SSL didn't and still doesn't make sense and just pisses on performance.
<PAM was created to support sshd>
PAM predates SSH, and I think people were thinking more about regular old login and shit like rsh and telnet back then. PAM was much more intended to allow you to bring in shit like LDAP without needing to recompile everything like your login binaries.
<if it's written in C and using dynamically loaded modules it must be insecure>
One irony here being the OpenSSH is written in C, and that one of the better things about PAM is not needing some bullshit service you send IPC calls to like every monstrosity using DBus.
<PAM can't be debugged> <its the end of the world if you lock yourself out of a dev machine>
Little nigga didn't read the man page to turn on the debug options, and must think booting the kernel init=/bin/bash is like summiting Everest.

The furfag "cutesy" inserts just really rub me the wrong way. It makes me want to cut down the internet and go shovel pigshit instead.
 
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Only if you consider the late 1980's to be "recent."
I also caught this, but I knew that he just meant it was newer.
I've never woken up and thought "huh NFS is shit, but it wouldn't be shit if I bodged in TLS", and don't understand why anyone would either.
Yeah, since he markets himself as a cryptographer, he should really know TLS is shit. He has a lot of these safe opinions that basically boil down to Yes, Master Google.

Oh, disregard that last paragraph, I confused him with Soatok for a minute. That shows how alike they are, at least.
PAM predates SSH, and I think people were thinking more about regular old login and shit like rsh and telnet back then. Irony here being that PAM was much more intended to allow you to bring in shit like LDAP without needing to recompile everything.
This I didn't know.
The furfag "cutesy" inserts just really rub me the wrong way. It makes me want to cut down the internet and go shovel pigshit instead.
Computing's hellish enough without little demons running around, yeah.
 
I'm aiming to have a thread on Soatok finished within the year, but I don't particularly care about Xeiaso. I don't know, I wrote that early last year, and I've been exposed to so much horrible information here since that they don't really phase me anymore.
Just my 2c? Don't waste your time.

Attention whores like Soatok and Xe thrive on negative attention. If you let them fizzle out, they'll eventually stop posting because they aren't getting the attention they used to.

People will become numb to the novelty of furries with blogs and stop engaging with it entirely. It's not like LiveJournal furries weren't a thing already.

If we're lucky, they'll feel despondent, dejected, and isolated. Maybe they'll delete their blogs. Maybe they'll kill themselves. Dopamine's a hell of an addiction, and its withdrawal symptoms are hard to predict. If this ever happens, the Farms should be absolved of all responsibility.

It's possible that making threads about these wankers might yield a few laughs here and there... but think about the sort of person that, in their 30's, still uses a furry avatar when writing about their professional career. It's not just pathetic, it's a little sad. There's not much to milk to be had.

I will admit I am very biased here though.

Every time one of these furfags' blogs makes Hacker News, I cringe a lot at the prospect of being forced to hear about it from my coworkers. It's not the "hey do you know Xe?" that I fear, it's the "hey, I know Xe, do you wanna meet them?" that I fear. That's why I hide my degeneracy from my coworkers. I never want to be forced into an awkward conversation with people like that. I don't even let people know I'm gay for fear of being shoehorned into a pride event. DEI is fucking cancer.
 
Just my 2c? Don't waste your time.
I don't even consider him to be an lolcow, but I told others I'd get it done, so I'm still going to try once my free time allows me.
It's not just pathetic, it's a little sad. There's not much to milk to be had.
I agree, but what I like about the "no cow-tipping" rule here is that it turns threads into mere criticism, and no one's above criticism. So, regardless of how funny he is, I'm not going to feel bad about it, ever.
 
I don't even consider him to be an lolcow, but I told others I'd get it done, so I'm still going to try once my free time allows me.

I agree, but what I like about the "no cow-tipping" rule here is that it turns threads into mere criticism, and no one's above criticism. So, regardless of how funny he is, I'm not going to feel bad about it, ever.
Aye, I admire your dedication to keeping your word, but if it backfires and makes techie furfags 10x more annoying, I'm blaming you.
 
One memorable example is from back in 2013, when the "feminist programming language" C+= (C plus equality) was documented in a repo there. It was a satire of some idiot feminist's claim that programming languages are unfriendly to women. GitHub banned the repo, as did others such as BitBucket and GitLab.
While I agree it shouldnt have been banned (though I might be missing some details), 1 incident 11 years ago on a website that has tens of millions of repositories is not that bad and I don't think it woud happen again. These days they only ever delete anything after a valid DMCA, which they treat very restrictively (if you're not a copyright holder or if there's anything wrong with the request they're not going to do anything). They learned their lesson after youtube-dl.

GitHub now pushes tranny codes of conduct, and so you can expect that any political commentary that troons don't like is in danger of removal.
I don't think there's any reason to believe that's true, they're not "pushing" anything. You can add it if you want. Nothing requires you to. There are millions of projects without one.
 
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