Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Taser Confetti]

Oh I am very familiar with the Jericho. It's my favorite gun on the planet. The finest culmination of firearms design. But only the Pre-IWI, full size, full steel versions. That was a good trade.

Are you a Cowboy Bebop fan or a Jewaboo? They're aesthetic guns but I've never had any trigger time with one.

 

[Anakin Soywalker]

Are you a Cowboy Bebop fan or a Jewaboo? They're aesthetic guns but I've never had any trigger time with one.

Is it not possible to be both? I think Spike (((Spiegel))) is supposed to be Jewish anyway.

I'm just clowning I love the show and am indifferent to Yids.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

Are you a Cowboy Bebop fan or a Jewaboo? They're aesthetic guns but I've never had any trigger time with one.

Hardcore Bebop fan. Started watching when I was way little. Grew up hunting, but was never a full blown gun autist, too poor. Mostly family and friend's old SKS, bolties, got to fire a .50 a few times. My very first purchase as an adult was the used import Jew star Jericho I lovingly bully. The beauty, simplicity and ruggedness of that jew gat led me to appreciate firearms as more than just cool guns. I have trained everyone to shoot with it and everyone became strong shootists almost the first day because of how well it works. That led me to my deep, deep rabbitholes of gun history, smithing, and overall appreciation of the artistry.
Without that (From the) Ghetto Blaster, I may not even be in this thread.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Hardcore Bebop fan. Started watching when I was way little. Grew up hunting, but was never a full blown gun autist, too poor. Mostly family and friend's old SKS, bolties, got to fire a .50 a few times. My very first purchase as an adult was the used import Jew star Jericho I lovingly bully. The beauty, simplicity and ruggedness of that jew gat led me to appreciate firearms as more than just cool guns. I have trained everyone to shoot with it and everyone became strong shootists almost the first day because of how well it works. That led me to my deep, deep rabbitholes of gun history, smithing, and overall appreciation of the artistry.
Without that (From the) Ghetto Blaster, I may not even be in this thread.

Can they run CZ75 mags or is it a proprietary design?

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

Can they run CZ75 mags or is it a proprietary design?

That's the beauty of the CZ75 design and it's derivatives. Unless it's something like a shortened grip Tan, every single part is interchangeable between all the clones. I can take the entire slide assembly off my BUL and put it on the Jericho and vice versa. I can take the firing pin from a CZ75 and pop it in the Jericho. It has IMI and IWI mags, but I use mecgar CZ mags in mine, because they work stupidly well and are cheap. Basically, if a part works on a CZ75, it works on the Jericho.

 

[Taser Confetti]

That's the beauty of the CZ75 design and it's derivatives. Unless it's something like a shortened grip Tan, every single part is interchangeable between all the clones. I can take the entire slide assembly off my BUL and put it on the Jericho and vice versa. I can take the firing pin from a CZ75 and pop it in the Jericho. It has IMI and IWI mags, but I use mecgar CZ mags in mine, because they work stupidly well and are cheap. Basically, if a part works on a CZ75, it works on the Jericho.

I fucking love Mecgar mags for my CZ75B.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

the key difference between the raging judge and judge magnum is the frame and cylinder. very early raging judge models (as in dealer samples) had the raging bull frame/cylinder with a normal judge barrel but that changed for production after a few months. you sometimes find the early barrels on normal judges, but unless you have the heavier raging bull frame and cylinder (which have two latches, not just one), it is not safe to fire .454 Casull (and probably unlikely to more than once).

in most revolvers, the pressure is borne by the cylinder (which is functionally equivalent to the chamber of a convention rifle barrel) and forcing cone. the barrel itself experiences moderate pressure unless there is a bore obstruction.

I'm aware of the difference between the two. This is most definitely a standard judge frame and barrel. Wonder if they misprinted it when engraving? Cause if so, would that be grounds for a lawsuit if someone who didn't know better shot it?

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Of course he's not. It competes with his 8.6 Blackout.

It seems to compete with 300 blackout more than 8.6

P365 is also thinner than standard. Not much, but try it and tell me it doesn't make a difference.

I’ve found a 1/8” thinner gun makes no appreciable difference to concealment or comfort, but does make the gun less fun to shoot.

 

[AGPinochet]

So I came across this today, A Soviet soldier in Afghanistan with a double barrel smg. Doesn't to my knowledge match any double barrel smg design that we the public knows about. Never seen this before nor have I ever heard any reference to it. Your guess is as good as mine


Now back to our more conventional programming


What even is a zero?


Taliban with SCAR around 2017




I might have posted this one before


Plasma Pump V4 electrically ignited fixed ammunition black powder rifle


Custom Arc Division Glock 48 with TLR-7 Sub with attached prototype "Thumb Blaster" gas pedal. The polymer version is available for sale already but aluminum versions are being worked on


A company by the name of Performance Services Machining has created an Arisaka zero retention clamp except for a Sub-2000


Evolution of the AUG




Russian AS-1/AS-2 Bullpup rifles in 5.45 and 7.62


Designed by the same guy who made the famous AK-12 Prototype (Vladimir Zlobin) it featured forward ejection, variable operating mechanisms ala the RM-277 (ie it couldnswap between closed and open bolt) and poor reliability
English language article detailing the history of the guns and extensive criticism of the design by the guy who designed the Kochevnik bullpup conversion

https://archive.ph/B89Gf

Mr. Kochevnik unbeknownst to me also brought his concept for a bullpup AK conversion by deleting the pic rail from his latest conversion design



He also Bullpupped and converted to full auto a Draganouv

Videos

There was once an experimental .50 Tround machine gun

One last small but interesting thing. Q LLC to seemingly little notice has publicly talked about how they have a concept for reducing standard deviations in subsonic loadings of cartridges by the creation of custom lathe turned (or injection moulded) cases with reduced case capacities (that is the "bore" of the cartridge is the diameter of the projectile, essentially creating a super thick case wall)
Discussed here from 0:45-2:45

And here in the .338 ARC is bad video from 10:58 to 11:15

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I hate mounting scopes, no matter how lucid I am it always feels like some esoteric voodoo ritual that seems like it shouldn't work.
Mount the mount, mount the rings(fuck you Leupold I'm not buying your ring wrench), get out the alignment rods then try the other alignment rods because I'm thinking about retiring the other pair and then try the new weird alignment rods because those are supposedly better, then lap the rings because they're aligned horizontally but not vertically, put scope in rings, wonder if it's too tight and then watch it sag to the side with the heavier turret, attach levels that are probably calibrated, eyeball it for good measure and get thrown off by the asymmetry of the gun while second-guessing the levels so bring out the other pair and eyeball it some more, hope I'm not damaging the tube as I tighten the rings, pop the bolt and stare at the wall wondering if I'm looking up the bore at the right angle or not, wait until I can get to the range and bam. Somehow consistently end up on paper.

The whole process is delicate and dumb and I hate it.

 

[Akran]

Well I bought a Desert Eagle XIX 50AE, .44 mag really got me on some shit. Press if I should daily carry it in the ferguzone . Its just a basic bitch black for now, I will probably buy a gold one if I like it but I expect a year wait before that.

 

[Club Sandwich]

The regular gen 2s are cheaper without the combo deal. Throw on 10 for free shipping and then use the promo code. Art of the deal. You save $20 and get 3 more mags.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-pmag-30-5-56x45-magazine-mag571-blk.html

I’ve got 5 coming today.

while true it's a better deal if you just want magazines, some people might want a range bag and enough mags for a fighting load.

The whole process is delicate and dumb and I hate it.

1. mount rings or ring base to a rail section (3/8 weaver, 1913 section, et c) square with referenced flat base.
2. turn the rail section upside down and use a flattening stone set on a base to even both rings out so they sit absolutely flat and parallel.
3. check each ring for height across the flats to be the same +/- 0.001".
4. mount the ring or ring base to the rifle's receiver following the manufacturer's instruction. typical is needing rocksett or other thread-locker and torquing to something like 30 in-lb for the ring-to-base mount.
5. test fit scope to rings, check for level using a flat on the scope. if there isn't one, you can level using a strung up plumb bob in a bucket of water and superimpose the cross hair so the vertical hair matches the string. works best with high contrast, good lighting, and about 10 meters of distance. be sure to use a magnification power no higher than 3 or 4, alignment should be consistent across all magnifications.
6. verify the scope level on a flat again as in step 5, but now add another level across a flat on the receiver (typically a bolt raceway with an L shaped magnetic tool that is also verifiably square). the bubble between the scope and receiver levels should match.
7. loosely install the top of the rings to the ring bases finger tight in a cross pattern one full turn at a time. be sure to alternate between rings.
8. insert alignment rods that are verified good to check alignment. if not aligned, lap until they are, you may also opt to remove enough material for a shim.
9. install the scope again, verify level again, tighten rings in cross pattern, not to exceed 25 or 30 in-lb. if it's an older scope or ring consider stopping at 15 in-lb and verify with live fire later on. most modern scope rings do not need alignment, lapping or more than 20 in-lb. vertically split scope rings should never be lapped, lapping is purely for horizontally split rings. misaligned vertically split rings should be exchanged for a new set.

you can also forget all that noise and get a one-piece mount and worry only about rotation and over-tightening. for military equipment with an integrated mount (ACOG, Wilcox, Aimpoint, Steiner, et c) the good old M14/M60 "hand tight and a quarter more" works great, also a half dollar works great as a field screw driver, as does the back of a bayonet, edge of an entrenching tool, and so on.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

plumb bob

I hate those too.
I just dislike the scope mounting process because the methodology is old and based upon what someone deems "good enough" in most cases. Years ago I would happily entrust the local gunshop to mount a scope and boresight for me but because I've done it so many times I don't trust them not to skip steps and go for that "good enough" point.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

Hey @Club Sandwich, you seem to be the other knowledgeable one here on obscure stuff. Do you know anything about Cobb manufacturing MCRs or where to find mag wells for them?

 

[Club Sandwich]

Do you know anything about Cobb manufacturing MCRs or where to find mag wells for them?

it was a long action AR type rifle that was very unreliable with a long action and barely reliable with short action. last i heard CDNN liquidated their inventory and the company and serialized guns and some tooling was sold to Bushmaster in 2007 or 2008 and Skip moved on to other stuff, might still be with DRD Tactical. what became of the tools to make the magazine wells (which were individually fitted to each receiver btw, what a shitshow) after Bushmaster bought Cobb Inc i have no clue.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

it was a long action AR type rifle that was very unreliable with a long action and barely reliable with short action. last i heard CDNN liquidated their inventory and the company and serialized guns and some tooling was sold to Bushmaster in 2007 or 2008 and Skip moved on to other stuff, might still be with DRD Tactical. what became of the tools to make the magazine wells (which were individually fitted to each receiver btw, what a shitshow) after Bushmaster bought Cobb Inc i have no clue.

Oh god. I didn't know the mag wells were individually fitted. My plan with the one I just got was to swap the G3 mag well out with a long action one, then have a few barrels made in calibers like 6.5 swede, 7.5 swiss, and 8x57 mauser.

 

[Dean Pentel]

I'll be getting a SP-01 next year

Let me also recommend you be on the lookout for a used SP-01 Shadow (not the Shadow 2). I think it superior to the standard SP-01 but not to the exclusion of the standard model. Whatever you get you'll love it. My only complaint with these platforms is that if I want to carry double action I have to manually decock the pistols. I've never had an ND doing this but I just don't like it.

I fucking love Mecgar mags for my CZ75B.

Unless Beretta or CZ factory mags are on sale for the same price as the Mecgars I see no reason not to opt for them first. I have quite a few Mecgar mags and I've never had issues with any of them. Worth their price.

you can also forget all that noise and get a one-piece mount and worry only about rotation and over-tightening. for military equipment with an integrated mount (ACOG, Wilcox, Aimpoint, Steiner, et c) the good old M14/M60 "hand tight and a quarter more" works great, also a half dollar works great as a field screw driver, as does the back of a bayonet, edge of an entrenching tool, and so on.

If you know you're going to have a few magnified optics in your arsenal I highly recommend this piece of kit. I mount my optics on it (mounted these days in this, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED), mount that to one of my tripods, and level it with with a plumb bob. This is after I've verified where it needs to be for eye relief on the rifle.

I used to use the Real Avid Level Right Pro and the Wheeler Engineering PRLS and they're both okay. I get the most of out of how I do it now. Keep in mind I've only ever used one-piece mounts. Clubber already has it covered for the rings.

Here's a helpful video for basically how I do it now.

 

[Club Sandwich]

I didn't know the mag wells were individually fitted.

well, i say that, and while it's true, they are fitted horizontally in the correct position for that specific receiver as there is a second retaining pin at the rear of the magazine well for vertical alignment and these two pins had enough play that the magazine well was a little "loose" or overly tight, neither of which was good. this sort of fitting is conceptually similar to how competition revolver cylinders are "fitted" as are old school parts where they are purposely slightly over-sized in a critical area to be fitted by a gunsmith for that particular firearm.

with a block of aluminum and measurements you can do the same thing, it's not much different from fitting a mag well insert into a mauser action conversion (for example converting a mauser or enfield to fire from a p38 or 1911 magazine - use the front hinge pin to locate and measure everything, then drill out the rear pin and shim for horizontal alignment. it's a lot more work that what the army wanted, wasn't reliably interchangeable, and so was out of the running for a multicaliber rifle pretty early on. colt 901 had a similar idea but used the front pin only, the rear "pin" locator was the standard AR-15 magazine release, and height was defined by an internal ledge machined into the upper receiver.

since you mention the .308 version, the MCR-200, it's worth noting it isn't DPMS or AR-10 pattern, but a bit of a mix between them. i've heard the MCR-200 was significantly better than the MCR-300, but that's not saying much when the MCR-300 i tried couldn't get through 1 magazine without a failure of some kind.

my own weird AR-a-like i keep around for funsies is a mid 90's Z-M LR-300, which seems to at least have some compatible parts on the market for it vs the Cobb. even the XCR or OA pistols have more stuff out there. the Cobb MCR is definitely more of a hobby gun to play at machining stuff if you like experimenting.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

since you mention the .308 version, the MCR-200, it's worth noting it isn't DPMS or AR-10 pattern, but a bit of a mix between them. i've heard the MCR-200 was significantly better than the MCR-300, but that's not saying much when the MCR-300 i tried couldn't get through 1 magazine without a failure of some kind.

Specifically my MCR-200 has a Cobb HK G3 mag well, not the weird hybrid mix. I knew the mag thing about them going in, but I got lucky when I found the G3 one.

my own weird AR-a-like i keep around for funsies is a mid 90's Z-M LR-300, which seems to at least have some compatible parts on the market for it vs the Cobb. even the XCR or OA pistols have more stuff out there. the Cobb MCR is definitely more of a hobby gun to play at machining stuff if you like experimenting.

I want you to know that I hate you for having a LR-300. I guess I just have to settle for my AR-70

 

[Club Sandwich]

I want you to know that I hate you for having a LR-300. I guess I just have to settle for my AR-70

trust me when i say it's both fun and interesting to collect weird guns, but also expensive and difficult to shoot when they use weird ammo or parts are nonexistent in case of breakage. other more "common" stuff can just be extremely expensive (GPMG parts for example, common enough but can be $$$ sometimes).