Warhammer 40k

[Judge Dredd]

I know the real answer is because they need to use the machines to make Space Marines instead, but by now I would've expected them to at least have a catalogue of discontinued models for alien species they made but stopped supporting over the years. They don't even try.

Another part of the problem is this idea people have that a game has to be actively updated and supported. Old man complains about things were better back in the day, but specialist games were fun and more importantly, can just exist without updates for years. Provided there isn't some huge grievous error or imbalance, they could keep using old molds for reprints whenever they feel like.

What you're looking for is the Red Corsairs, and more specifically renegade astartes. They exist, but god damn GW really, really doesn't want them to. Also see: The Badab War

That's exactly what I wanted.

Back in my day etc. There was a flimsy lore reason why SM would fight each other. I forget what it was, but it was rarely used and just existed to give justification for SM players to play against each other. Orks, Chaos, Tau, and to a lesser extent Tyranids all have in lore reasons to fight their own side. I don't know about Necrons but I assume they had one. The different branches of the imperium don't get on either, so it seems weird that marine vs marine would be singled out for not allowing civil war.

 

[Michael Wade]

Its pretty fucking easy for the Tau to influence planets. They can have some gue'la show up with some fancy goods none of the locals have ever seen before, and then slowly the Greater Good gets discussed once the locals are hooked, and then the Tau themselves show up a little while on and everyone just shrugs since the IoM may have just been a vague concept to the locals, and as long as the new leaders don't upset the apple cart (and the Tau generally don't, even going so far as to allow worship of the Emperor as long as the locals don't decide to start rebelling against their xenos overlords), the fact Tau gizmos have lead to a measurable increase in quality of life is enough to win the people over.

Like shit, imagine you're a farmer on a world that's around the 1940's in terms of tech and these oddly friendly and strangely dressed humans from somewhere off-world offer you a bunch of weird flying things that promise to boost your yields by a couple hundred percent. Are you really going to say no? What if you're a doctor and they have a bunch of kickass diagnostics equipment that can detect cancer while its still in its earliest stages?

One of the imperial governors attempted to establish trade with the tau in a ultramarine book. The tau stupidly annexed them by force and it didn't work out for anybody when the ultramarines showed up. The chick governor got tortured to death by a chaplain.



The tau are cool, the big problem that holds them back from being a true federation lore wise is the eternals. They lead the tau and nobody knows what exactly the hell they are. Common wisdom is they are tau psykers but the imperium has a theory they are an entire other species subverting the tau for their own personal reasons. They ultimately are why the official policy can be so skitzo.

I legit think they are more interesting as a unironic force for good, but I kinda like how more cynical they've gotten the more they experience the wider universe. A rogue trader sequel would be perfect for exploring their society more.


The iron warriors are arguably the least demon possessed and the most sane and dangerous of the traitor legions. The problem is they still think they can harness demons to power their machines and reside in the eye of terror with no problems. They've made some of the most vile and demonic shit in the setting with their " sanity" (Daemonculaba). One of the more interesting details is the potential recent retcon that their primarch never turned into a demon prince out of pride. I'm not sure the status of that.

 

[HouseofLeafs]

Huh

It depends on which planet you're talking about, honestly. Because outside of their Chapter's fiefdoms (but even then, this is an coin toss) they're more or less an myth to the average guardsman. Although, from what I've read if they managed to see one, their unit is too mauled to do anything useful

Huh, I always saw it like how we see special forces in our world. You know they exist but you don’t know who or what they look like. An that if they’re deployed to your area and you know, that means things have gone real bad that they’re called in.

 

[Male Idiot]

Most people would have a vague idea about looks, as Space Marine statues are not uncommon.

So if they saw one, they would recognize it.

 

[bort420]

Most people would have a vague idea about looks, as Space Marine statues are not uncommon.

So if they saw one, they would recognize it.

The infinite and the divine has a plot point about this.

My hottest 40k take is that femstodes are homophobic. The emperor was heavily implied to be Alexander the great. He also has a clear aesthetic preference, he probably was Gianni Versace too.

 

[Male Idiot]

I think that looking into it is looking too hard to see patterns that are just not there.
The Emperor wanted Rome in space because it is cool.
Custodes are big because they are just space marines but fancier, and marines are big because bigger is stronger, especially if you are a brit nerd from Bumfuckcastle.

 

[Penne Dreadful]

The T'au try to be as genuinely good as they can and what does that get you? A small insignificant empire that would've been lost to history if even one of the other factions would even bother to notice you exist. But it's endearing to see them not willing to forgo their morals, good or bad, just to gain power. We're either going to do this right, or we're not doing it at all.

We don't really get that. They've got stronger plot armour than most Marines and get away with everything, so it's more that trying to be good works out for them almost every time (negotiations with Tyranids and Deldar aside).
Even aside from staving off a Hive Fleet tendril (to be expected, really), the Damocles Crusade was a major Imperial campaign that outright lost to the Tau, even if they threw their toys out of the pram on the way out. The Tau aren't small or insignificant any more; the days of the excuse that one day something bigger might notice them are over.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

While the list has a clever name what even is this?

I know tournament players get a bad rap but when looking at things like this I can't help but feel some of it is deserved. It's giving me flashbacks to when the Dark Angels codex was released and the only DA unit from winning armies was Lion el' Johnson.

 

[augment]

I've been going through the latest Golden Demon fallout. I've gathered, from both videos and instagram posts that it was an absolute shitshow of no transparency and inconsistency

https://youtu.be/vIyIhctdkBk?

Yes this video is from last year but the points he made somehow are still valid.

I'm not one to enter into art contests, due to the subjective nature of the aesthetic as a whole. But it has been interesting seeing this many professional painters complain about the lack of consistent rules. To me it seems as if GW just thrusts this whole project to a small group of people and they have to run it with little to no support.

 

[daniel day]

I've been going through the latest Golden Demon fallout. I've gathered, from both videos and instagram posts that it was an absolute shitshow of no transparency and inconsistency

https://youtu.be/vIyIhctdkBk?

Yes this video is from last year but the points he made somehow are still valid.

I'm not one to enter into art contests, due to the subjective nature of the aesthetic as a whole. But it has been interesting seeing this many professional painters complain about the lack of consistent rules. To me it seems as if GW just thrusts this whole project to a small group of people and they have to run it with little to no support.

From what Ive heard (from salty fucks that lost) is that there were only 2 judges for a few thousand entries. Squidmar made a video talking about it, and he went over how he spent time modeling and building up his own mini to paint, and that there were so many minis that were "better" than the winners that shouldve went farther.

Unfortunately he mustve forgotten that its not just an art competition its Games Workshop's art competition. The man made his own mini in a competition thats 99% about advertising GW products and is surprised when he didnt win. That seems like the most prominent issue to me. GW is just trying to sell you more models. If they didnt get a revenue boost for doing Golden Demon they wouldve dropped it like a rock in a river.

Just looking at the winners tells you exactly what Im saying: theyre all recognizable as GW's brand.

 

[FedPostalService]

>when are they pulling emps off the golden throne
realistically the year never changes, and the setting is stuck in a perpetual timeline of "stuffs happening, but time isn't progressing".

I seem to remember a good few years ago there was some hype around the golden throne really starting to fail and no one obviously knowing how to fix it but then nothing seemed to happen with it.

 

[Penne Dreadful]

I seem to remember a good few years ago there was some hype around the golden throne really starting to fail and no one obviously knowing how to fix it but then nothing seemed to happen with it.

I thought that was resolved when the AdMech went and paid some Haemonculi to fix it.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

IIRC, the AdMech found out the Dark Eldar were going to fuck with the Golden Throne in addition to fixing it. I think they would've put in something to let them slip into Terra for some raiding, but I could be wrong. I do remember that when the AdMech confront them their fleet, which had the Fabricator General on it, and during the skirmish their capital ship went into the Webway. That's why Cawl is pushing to take over the role moreso now since it's vacant with the Fabricator General missing and not confirmed dead.

 

[Rick The Stick]

The infinite and the divine has a plot point about this.

My hottest 40k take is that femstodes are homophobic. The emperor was heavily implied to be Alexander the great. He also has a clear aesthetic preference, he probably was Gianni Versace too.

Alexander wasn't a faggot though.

 

[Judge Dredd]

I legit think they are more interesting as a unironic force for good, but I kinda like how more cynical they've gotten the more they experience the wider universe.

I agree. To me the grimdark elements of the Tau were always more personal and below the surface. The caste system alone raises eyebrows.

I always saw it like how we see special forces in our world. You know they exist but you don’t know who or what they look like. An that if they’re deployed to your area and you know, that means things have gone real bad that they’re called in.

It's also a disconnect between lore and rules. Guard number in the millions, if not billions per world. Space marines are, what, a hundred million over countless planets?


I've been thinking of home made terrain and I'm looking for inspiration. Something that isn't the usual ww2 houses/gothic ruins/industrial areas/empty field. These are cool, don't get me wrong, but I was looking for something different. A few ideas I've come up with stolen include Half-Life 2 style eastern europe, brutalist buildings, and for a more out there idea something like Chernobyl or Fukushima.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

Space marines are, what, a hundred million over countless planets?

Fewer than that, most likely. If we take the old number of a thousand chapters each with a thousand Marines, that would mean there are a million Space Marines in the Imperium. That doesn't factor in the Codex-ignoring outliers like the Black Templars or the chapters that are chronically understrength like the Flesh Tearers and Lamenters, or the recent boost from all the new Primaris chapters, but even so I'd doubt if there are more than 1.1 million Marines. In a galaxy-spanning empire with hundreds of planets whose populations are at least in the quintillions, that's a tiny number indeed.

 

[p1138]

IIRC, the AdMech found out the Dark Eldar were going to fuck with the Golden Throne in addition to fixing it. I think they would've put in something to let them slip into Terra for some raiding, but I could be wrong. I do remember that when the AdMech confront them their fleet, which had the Fabricator General on it, and during the skirmish their capital ship went into the Webway. That's why Cawl is pushing to take over the role moreso now since it's vacant with the Fabricator General missing and not confirmed dead.

Nah, it was an inquisitor who had tagged along to commoragh after being poisoned previously by a dark eldar something or other that had gotten loose on terra. Basically the dark eldar had requested some random used parts to study for verification of compatibility and the admech and custodes were about to hand them over whne the inquisitor turned back up and explained that they had already made their own golden throne and were hoping to find a DNA remnant to make a controlled homunculus clone of the emperor to power their throne, so the custodes immediately destroyed everything while the admech guys ran off.

Also, it's cawl inferior, the "definitely not an AI please don't look too closely and notice the xenos equipment installed on your flagship Guilliman" that keeps pestering him about it, and the cawl inferior on Cawl's ship that keeps leaving messages. Cawl has said himself that it would basically be suicide(since half the admech planets hate him), and it would be a distraction from his own BS plus the stuff he's supposed to be doing for Guilliman(but keeps slacking off on).

From what Ive heard (from salty fucks that lost) is that there were only 2 judges for a few thousand entries. Squidmar made a video talking about it, and he went over how he spent time modeling and building up his own mini to paint, and that there were so many minis that were "better" than the winners that shouldve went farther.

Unfortunately he mustve forgotten that its not just an art competition its Games Workshop's art competition. The man made his own mini in a competition thats 99% about advertising GW products and is surprised when he didnt win. That seems like the most prominent issue to me. GW is just trying to sell you more models. If they didnt get a revenue boost for doing Golden Demon they wouldve dropped it like a rock in a river.

Just looking at the winners tells you exactly what Im saying: theyre all recognizable as GW's brand.

golden demon itself has gotten stupid. Vince Venturella and Trovarion had fair takes on it. Squidmar has fair takes but doesn't seem to take it super seriously. This dickhead on the other hand had the saltiest video I've ever seen about the shit crying about how he spent 500 hours on one of his entries.

If you actually look up the GD winners on instagram so you can see more than a single view in a badly color balanced photo(this is another problem GW has had for years with this shit), you can see the winners were painted amazingly well and that it isn't like some undeserving bullshit won.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

My mistake. Thank you @p1138

 

[CryptoHermit]

Fewer than that, most likely. If we take the old number of a thousand chapters each with a thousand Marines, that would mean there are a million Space Marines in the Imperium. That doesn't factor in the Codex-ignoring outliers like the Black Templars or the chapters that are chronically understrength like the Flesh Tearers and Lamenters, or the recent boost from all the new Primaris chapters, but even so I'd doubt if there are more than 1.1 million Marines. In a galaxy-spanning empire with hundreds of planets whose populations are at least in the quintillions, that's a tiny number indeed.

It makes you wonder how there wasn't any exploration of Marines supplementing their campaigns with Chapter Serfs en masse. Is there a codex constraint to how many people and what kind of people Space Marines are allowed to swear to serfdom under them? I know Chapter Serfs are failed candidates from their recruitment worlds or people they drag along to crew their monasteries or ships. I can imagine some shenanigans where some Chapters just swear billions of people into Chapter serfdom and treat them like their own personal Imperial Guard. The only reference I remember of Marines ruling people like that is Badab, so they probably get slapped down hard if they float the idea.

 

[Meat Target]

With the exception of one still in progress, I have repainted my Dark Angels and am satisfied with the results.