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Been binging Horus Heresy stuff. I don't know why Guilliman is considered a coward in the fanbase. Maybe it's more clear in the books?

I had the idea of painting a space marine in the Stormcast colour scheme. I looked it up online and it looks horrible. I guess the models make the difference?
 
Mostly because he declared an Imperium Secundus instead of rushing to Terra
He did(along with sanguinius and the lion) but they couldn't get to terra in the first place due to all of the warp storm BS(thanks to kor phaeron and the word bearers). It took a gap in the warp storm and the lion and guilliman basically playing blockers to allow sanguinius to get his fleet through, then some of the dark angels got there later, and finally guilliman once horus was dead(even though he was trying to get vox messages through to terra before they went to the vengeful spirit but he couldn't find shit because the astronomican wasn't working properly). The moment they realized an assassin had been sent from terra to to macragge to deal with conrad curze, it was a wake up call to the three of them that something must exist in that direction.

The reality is, it's mostly due to hating how Matt Ward wrote the ultramarines for 5th edition. Rogal Dorn was honestly more of a chicken shit wanting to rush the emperor off world to nowhere in particular with the Phalanx.
 
Uh, no. Not unless you're trying to make some really fucked-up stuff with it. The IoM is an authoritarian regime, and like all authoritarian regimes they operate on a pretty strict useful/useless hierarchy when it comes to things. Stuff that's mildly heretical but useful gets a pass, even stuff like the IG and Space Marines doing unsanctioned modifications to equipment that makes coolant start boiling out of the ears of any nearby Techpriests. The Predator Annihilator is one such example. The Space Wolves were surrounded on all sides during a Crusade that went south and not even the Long Fangs could get into position to fire back on account of all the incoming fire, so after a few prayers to Leman Russ by the Iron Priests for inspiration, they took their lascannons and bolted them onto their Predators. In an amazing coincidence, 200 years of thorough investigation later the AdMech found evidence that this field mod rigged up by a bunch of drunken Space Vikings on the basis of "What Would Leman Russ Do?" was totally part of the vehicle's original STC.

Sadly retconned so now 30k can have Predator Annihilators too.
 
Half, if not more, of the fun of playing Orks is doing stupid shit for the hell of it.

'ERE WE GO! 'ERE WE GO! 'ERE WE GO!
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I hate when "UM ACKTUALLY" fags see someone make a funny meme on the Ork Gestalt and try to argue how this wouldn't work. No shit but it's a meme so fuck off. Also good artist, great shitposts.
 
Quick question: Eldar?

I've only known one person ever who had any kind of Eldar army and he mained Blood Angels which probably tells you a lot.

Back on topic: when my damn kid was four I taught her to play diceless homebrew Warhammer using her MLP plushies (modified Tyranids rules). It actually worked really well, there's definitely scope for a FiM wargame if it doesn't already exist.
 
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So I bit the bullet and got an Imperial Guard combat patrol. It’s my first proper 40K kit I’ve bought and I like it so far.

Pros:
-Good plastic
-simple instructions
-big variety of poses and weapons for the troops

Cons:
-Soul-crushingly expensive. At this price it should at least come with some sandbags and barricades
-Sprues are strange to me (I grew up building mostly scale tanks and aircraft)
-Part numbering is a little weird
 
-Sprues are strange to me (I grew up building mostly scale tanks and aircraft)
GW's recent sprues (the ones I've seen anyway) are a bloody mess. I guess they're trying to shove as much plastic into a single mold as possible.
-Part numbering is a little weird
This goes with the previous part. I've not tried gunpla myself, but they supposedly leave GW and western companies in the dust. I don't why they call them "runners" or "frames" though. I guess it's to sound cooler than "sprue"?

I've been assembling wargames atlantic kits, and their numbering system makes little sense. On paper L5 should match with R5, but sometimes there is no R5, or there is R5 and R5c. They also rarely go in order from left to right. I guess this is a result of having to lay things out to fit it efficiently on a sprue.

-big variety of poses and weapons for the troops
I thought GW was doing monopose these days? I guess the guard is too old for that.

-Soul-crushingly expensive. At this price it should at least come with some sandbags and barricades
I don't mean to sound like a shill, but this is part of the reason I've been going third party as much as possible. Wargames Atlantic I mentioned are a favourite (they don't come with bases or instructions), but there's lots of third parties out there. I've not tried Northstar minatures Stargrave series, but I've heard nothing but good things. Mantic gets close to GW prices. Warlord games does good stuff I'm told but it's all World War 2.

From what I can tell, the only good value reasonably priced GW kits are small sized vehicles. IG Sentinels, smaller Imperial Knights, things like that.

Wargames Atlantic do a lot of proxy guard. Pretorians (Bulldogs), Catachan (space nam) and others. I even like their space dwarves. Likely won't allowed in GW shops.
 
I thought GW was doing monopose these days? I guess the guard is too old for that.
modern monopose complaints are sometimes correct, sometimes wrong(some people bitch about things being monopose as being a lack of weapon/arm/head options, which just isn't always the case). The easiest way to explain it would be with some examples.

Old tactical marine box. You could rotate the waist slightly and move the arms a little lower or higher, whoopdeefucking doo. It still looks dumb having 50 space marines with some variation of pointing slightly left, slightly right, slightly up, or slightly down while the legs are all in a squatting pose.

Modern space marines. The poses are dynamic and varied. The problem is that a box of 5 minis will have the exact same 5 poses, if you're building a unit of 20, you get 4 that match. In some boxes where it's a box of 10, there aren't 10 unique poses, it's usually still just 5(there's a couple where it's even just 3) unique poses. These would be monopose.

Another monopose complaint that's usually incorrect would be something like bladeguard veterans. 3 dudes, the kit comes with 7 or 8 sword options alone for sheathed, 2h, 1h, wiping the blade with a cloth, and on and on. these are great.

Monopose with options where it's a problem with be the new ork boyz kit, where for some fucking reason GW didn't include enough shootas and choppas in the box to actually equip the squad with one or the other, so you have to do a weird mix(this was so bad that they cancelled discontinuing the older ork boyz box because people actually hated it that much).

This goes with the previous part. I've not tried gunpla myself, but they supposedly leave GW and western companies in the dust.
Bandai is willing to avoid cramming as many parts onto a single sprue as physically possible, and will have them laid out logically or with enough space between the parts to be able to quickly find parts on the sprue, and even labels the sprues so the parts will be A1, B15, C5, etc so you know which sprue to even pick up before you start looking. GW rarely labels sprues, and will usually just leave everything a mess on them in no particular order because whatever program they're using decided having all of the guns next to eachother would be great except also fitting in half of a left leg over there makes sense too.
 
Old tactical marine box. You could rotate the waist slightly and move the arms a little lower or higher, whoopdeefucking doo. It still looks dumb having 50 space marines with some variation of pointing slightly left, slightly right, slightly up, or slightly down while the legs are all in a squatting pose.

Modern space marines. The poses are dynamic and varied. The problem is that a box of 5 minis will have the exact same 5 poses, if you're building a unit of 20, you get 4 that match. In some boxes where it's a box of 10, there aren't 10 unique poses, it's usually still just 5(there's a couple where it's even just 3) unique poses. These would be monopose.
GW does show that they have top tier modeling and the money to produce distinct plastic moulds for your basic infantry.

I’d argue it is something they have to do to stay ahead of the competition. They produce small and large scale skirmish combat games. No need for the mass of fodder same mould infantry for a rank and flank game.

Now the next stage in modeling would be having that gunpla/action figure posability when modeling. However, I can’t see that being financial viable with mass scale printing nor being beginner friendly.
 
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Join the 3d printer legion. I have almost 8000 points worth of units and I'm not stopping now!
It might be overrated. It's been spread across a couple of threads, but 3D printing isn't as cheap and easy and it's proponents make it out to be. FDM requires constant tweaking and isn't suitable for minis (though that depends on your standards) while resin involves dealing with fumes, toxic chemicals, and if you live in a "small" space like a typical flat or even a 3 bedroom house, forget it. Then there's the stls themselves. Subscribing to a bunch of patreons in order to get the good stuff, or pirate them.

There's a lot of cool 3D printed stuff out there, but you have to be really into the hobby to make it worthwhile. As in, multiple armies a year type of into the hobby. Especially given how much I hear about "piles of shame", having that be in stl form might be better?

Old tactical marine box. You could rotate the waist slightly and move the arms a little lower or higher, whoopdeefucking doo. It still looks dumb having 50 space marines with some variation of pointing slightly left, slightly right, slightly up, or slightly down while the legs are all in a squatting pose.

Modern space marines. The poses are dynamic and varied. The problem is that a box of 5 minis will have the exact same 5 poses, if you're building a unit of 20, you get 4 that match. In some boxes where it's a box of 10, there aren't 10 unique poses, it's usually still just 5(there's a couple where it's even just 3) unique poses. These would be monopose.
That sounds weird. I remember when they overhauled the marines for 3rd. They were so poseable and fun. Yeah, it was goofy that everyone's tactical squad was doing non-standard things, but it's entertaining at least. I can see the appeal of push fit and other simplified kits for mass infantry or beginners, but I don't get why they'd go backwards. Either have single pose with a lot of them, or fewer but you can pose them yourself.

Now the next stage in modeling would be having that gunpla/action figure posability when modeling. However, I can’t see that being financial viable with mass scale printing nor being beginner friendly.
I think it would be a scale problem more than anything else.

I might get hate for this, but pre-paints might be more important than poses. The hobby people won't like it, but it worked great for x-wing and hero clix.
 
As a display piece the amount of detail you find even on infantry models is impressive, but from a wargame standpoint it is beyond excessive. I honestly don't enjoy the hobby aspect. I want to collect and play the game. I want models that are simple to assemble, and simple to paint. Models are simple to assemble if you ignore all the accessories that often have no way to actually fit. The Kroot are the worst I've ever encountered in this regard. You have little hooks, and grenades, and pouches that have no flat surface or anchor point to glue them to. All these little details become a massive pain in the ass to paint as you try to carefully paint a parts the size of an ant. Not to mention many parts become literally impossible to paint once assembled. There is no way to paint the aquilla on a space marine when he has his arms over his chest. It's enough that a paint brush can't physically fit to paint it, but not enough so that no one would see the bare plastic. This is why I only paint in base layers and a few colors. I appreciate the time and effort some people put into their models to look like an art piece. But I wish GW would cut down on some of the overdesign to make casual painting a little less painful. And for the love of god mold the battlesuit joints with larger pins so it isn't a nightmare to keep them standing straight in assembly.

I don't need to be able to precisely customize the pose of each marine, nor would I have the patience to manually adjust each one to be a special snowflake among his 50+ brothers. I also don't want them to be so varied that the unit looks completely disorganized. One guy is looking at some dataslate, one's standing around with his gun lowered, another's in a running pose, someone else is kneeling to take a shot. When put together it's a visual mess. It's like the models have ADHD can't decide if they're all meant to be shooting at the enemy, running away, or waiting for orders. Each pose on it's own is dynamic and interesting, but honestly I would rather some mono-poses with some variation in stance so that it looks like the unit as a whole is doing the same task and aren't exact copies of each other.

Join the 3d printer legion. I have almost 8000 points worth of units and I'm not stopping now!
As if it were that easy. 3D printing is a hobby in itself. No offense but my eye twitches every time I hear someone say to "just 3d print". It's expensive and time consuming. It's a lot of trial and error. Sure if you can dedicate that much effort into 3D printing it might be worth it, but for 90% of people it's not a reasonable alternative. Maybe after 8000 points worth of units it becomes worth it, maybe less if you're doing simple filament printing, but for most it's easier to pay the extra, get exactly what you want out of the box, and save yourself the time. Maybe some day it'll be cheap and easy but not any time soon.
 
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