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God damn it, fuck you GW!
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I hate when "UM ACKTUALLY" fags see someone make a funny meme on the Ork Gestalt and try to argue how this wouldn't work. No shit but it's a meme so fuck off. Also good artist, great shitposts.
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YOU VILL IMPULSE BUY FOR FORMAT WE BARELY SUPPORT AND YOU VILL LIKE IT.
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Quick question: Eldar?
I've only known one person ever who had any kind of Eldar army and he mained Blood Angels which probably tells you a lot.
Back on topic: when my damn kid was four I taught her to play diceless homebrew Warhammer using her MLP plushies (modified Tyranids rules). It actually worked really well, there's definitely scope for a FiM wargame if it doesn't already exist.
I've only known one person ever who had any kind of Eldar army and he mained Blood Angels which probably tells you a lot.
Back on topic: when my damn kid was four I taught her to play diceless homebrew Warhammer using her MLP plushies (modified Tyranids rules). It actually worked really well, there's definitely scope for a FiM wargame if it doesn't already exist.
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So I bit the bullet and got an Imperial Guard combat patrol. It’s my first proper 40K kit I’ve bought and I like it so far.
Pros:
-Good plastic
-simple instructions
-big variety of poses and weapons for the troops
Cons:
-Soul-crushingly expensive. At this price it should at least come with some sandbags and barricades
-Sprues are strange to me (I grew up building mostly scale tanks and aircraft)
-Part numbering is a little weird
Pros:
-Good plastic
-simple instructions
-big variety of poses and weapons for the troops
Cons:
-Soul-crushingly expensive. At this price it should at least come with some sandbags and barricades
-Sprues are strange to me (I grew up building mostly scale tanks and aircraft)
-Part numbering is a little weird
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Thrilled that you are happy with it. What drew you to the guard?
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Read the new Cain novel. It's surprisingly really good. My only issue is that some jokes are getting really old, especially with how much shit he already went through to have the "if I knew what's going to be I would have run away".
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GW's recent sprues (the ones I've seen anyway) are a bloody mess. I guess they're trying to shove as much plastic into a single mold as possible.
This goes with the previous part. I've not tried gunpla myself, but they supposedly leave GW and western companies in the dust. I don't why they call them "runners" or "frames" though. I guess it's to sound cooler than "sprue"?
I've been assembling wargames atlantic kits, and their numbering system makes little sense. On paper L5 should match with R5, but sometimes there is no R5, or there is R5 and R5c. They also rarely go in order from left to right. I guess this is a result of having to lay things out to fit it efficiently on a sprue.
I thought GW was doing monopose these days? I guess the guard is too old for that.
I don't mean to sound like a shill, but this is part of the reason I've been going third party as much as possible. Wargames Atlantic I mentioned are a favourite (they don't come with bases or instructions), but there's lots of third parties out there. I've not tried Northstar minatures Stargrave series, but I've heard nothing but good things. Mantic gets close to GW prices. Warlord games does good stuff I'm told but it's all World War 2.
From what I can tell, the only
Wargames Atlantic do a lot of proxy guard. Pretorians (Bulldogs), Catachan (space nam) and others. I even like their space dwarves. Likely won't allowed in GW shops.
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Join the 3d printer legion. I have almost 8000 points worth of units and I'm not stopping now!
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I do plan on trying 3D printing some day.
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It's a fun romp. You need the space and some time for it, but I find it quite satisfying. My main advice would be that not all stls are made equal. Some units have been much more satisfying to print and build then others.
modern monopose complaints are sometimes correct, sometimes wrong(some people bitch about things being monopose as being a lack of weapon/arm/head options, which just isn't always the case). The easiest way to explain it would be with some examples.
Old tactical marine box. You could rotate the waist slightly and move the arms a little lower or higher, whoopdeefucking doo. It still looks dumb having 50 space marines with some variation of pointing slightly left, slightly right, slightly up, or slightly down while the legs are all in a squatting pose.
Modern space marines. The poses are dynamic and varied. The problem is that a box of 5 minis will have the exact same 5 poses, if you're building a unit of 20, you get 4 that match. In some boxes where it's a box of 10, there aren't 10 unique poses, it's usually still just 5(there's a couple where it's even just 3) unique poses. These would be monopose.
Another monopose complaint that's usually incorrect would be something like bladeguard veterans. 3 dudes, the kit comes with 7 or 8 sword options alone for sheathed, 2h, 1h, wiping the blade with a cloth, and on and on. these are great.
Monopose with options where it's a problem with be the new ork boyz kit, where for some fucking reason GW didn't include enough shootas and choppas in the box to actually equip the squad with one or the other, so you have to do a weird mix(this was so bad that they cancelled discontinuing the older ork boyz box because people actually hated it that much).
Bandai is willing to avoid cramming as many parts onto a single sprue as physically possible, and will have them laid out logically or with enough space between the parts to be able to quickly find parts on the sprue, and even labels the sprues so the parts will be A1, B15, C5, etc so you know which sprue to even pick up before you start looking. GW rarely labels sprues, and will usually just leave everything a mess on them in no particular order because whatever program they're using decided having all of the guns next to eachother would be great except also fitting in half of a left leg over there makes sense too.
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GW does show that they have top tier modeling and the money to produce distinct plastic moulds for your basic infantry.
I’d argue it is something they have to do to stay ahead of the competition. They produce small and large scale skirmish combat games. No need for the mass of fodder same mould infantry for a rank and flank game.
Now the next stage in modeling would be having that gunpla/action figure posability when modeling. However, I can’t see that being financial viable with mass scale printing nor being beginner friendly.
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It might be overrated. It's been spread across a couple of threads, but 3D printing isn't as cheap and easy and it's proponents make it out to be. FDM requires constant tweaking and isn't suitable for minis (though that depends on your standards) while resin involves dealing with fumes, toxic chemicals, and if you live in a "small" space like a typical flat or even a 3 bedroom house, forget it. Then there's the stls themselves. Subscribing to a bunch of patreons in order to get the good stuff, or pirate them.
There's a lot of cool 3D printed stuff out there, but you have to be really into the hobby to make it worthwhile. As in, multiple armies a year type of into the hobby. Especially given how much I hear about "piles of shame", having that be in stl form might be better?
That sounds weird. I remember when they overhauled the marines for 3rd. They were so poseable and fun. Yeah, it was goofy that everyone's tactical squad was doing non-standard things, but it's entertaining at least. I can see the appeal of push fit and other simplified kits for mass infantry or beginners, but I don't get why they'd go backwards. Either have single pose with a lot of them, or fewer but you can pose them yourself.
I think it would be a scale problem more than anything else.
I might get hate for this, but pre-paints might be more important than poses. The hobby people won't like it, but it worked great for x-wing and hero clix.
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all of your complaints are invalid you should only play the imperial guard and make sure to be obnoxious about how much every other faction is terrible because my faction choice for flex that I'm a better person you
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As a display piece the amount of detail you find even on infantry models is impressive, but from a wargame standpoint it is beyond excessive. I honestly don't enjoy the hobby aspect. I want to collect and play the game. I want models that are simple to assemble, and simple to paint. Models are simple to assemble if you ignore all the accessories that often have no way to actually fit. The Kroot are the worst I've ever encountered in this regard. You have little hooks, and grenades, and pouches that have no flat surface or anchor point to glue them to. All these little details become a massive pain in the ass to paint as you try to carefully paint a parts the size of an ant. Not to mention many parts become literally impossible to paint once assembled. There is no way to paint the aquilla on a space marine when he has his arms over his chest. It's enough that a paint brush can't physically fit to paint it, but not enough so that no one would see the bare plastic. This is why I only paint in base layers and a few colors. I appreciate the time and effort some people put into their models to look like an art piece. But I wish GW would cut down on some of the overdesign to make casual painting a little less painful. And for the love of god mold the battlesuit joints with larger pins so it isn't a nightmare to keep them standing straight in assembly.
I don't need to be able to precisely customize the pose of each marine, nor would I have the patience to manually adjust each one to be a special snowflake among his 50+ brothers. I also don't want them to be so varied that the unit looks completely disorganized. One guy is looking at some dataslate, one's standing around with his gun lowered, another's in a running pose, someone else is kneeling to take a shot. When put together it's a visual mess. It's like the models have ADHD can't decide if they're all meant to be shooting at the enemy, running away, or waiting for orders. Each pose on it's own is dynamic and interesting, but honestly I would rather some mono-poses with some variation in stance so that it looks like the unit as a whole is doing the same task and aren't exact copies of each other.
I don't need to be able to precisely customize the pose of each marine, nor would I have the patience to manually adjust each one to be a special snowflake among his 50+ brothers. I also don't want them to be so varied that the unit looks completely disorganized. One guy is looking at some dataslate, one's standing around with his gun lowered, another's in a running pose, someone else is kneeling to take a shot. When put together it's a visual mess. It's like the models have ADHD can't decide if they're all meant to be shooting at the enemy, running away, or waiting for orders. Each pose on it's own is dynamic and interesting, but honestly I would rather some mono-poses with some variation in stance so that it looks like the unit as a whole is doing the same task and aren't exact copies of each other.
As if it were that easy. 3D printing is a hobby in itself. No offense but my eye twitches every time I hear someone say to "just 3d print". It's expensive and time consuming. It's a lot of trial and error. Sure if you can dedicate that much effort into 3D printing it might be worth it, but for 90% of people it's not a reasonable alternative. Maybe after 8000 points worth of units it becomes worth it, maybe less if you're doing simple filament printing, but for most it's easier to pay the extra, get exactly what you want out of the box, and save yourself the time. Maybe some day it'll be cheap and easy but not any time soon.
Because if they do "pose it yourself" all you get is the shitty crappy tactical marines where you can point the waist a little left or a little right. No dynamic poses. I think you might be confusing what dynamic poses means. Here's the IG combat patrol, they have different poses, instead of just torso on generic legs and point arms slightly up or down. The trouble is that there's some duplicates of the legs but because there's enough variety of dudes running, standing, leaning, aiming, throwing grenades, etc. you get some variety. But these are monopose.
This is the tactical marine squad that is "posable". There is nothing dynamic, both feet are always on the ground, the only pose options you get is the guns slightly higher or lower. These are not monopose, but they're barely "posable".
If you go here to the bladeguard veterans, you'll see the sprues, the legs are not posable, and the arms aren't really posable, so they're monopose. However, if you look at the sprues you'll see there's a bunch of options for gear, what they're holding, how they're holding it, etc. https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Space-Marines-Bladeguard-Veterans-2020
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For reference's, here's the A&N thread pertaining to this Rock Paper Shotgun article. The article also links to another article by some other guy that's even longer and wackier, an impressive feat in both regards:
I only ever read the first Ciaphas Cain omnibus a very long time ago, and while the writing was charming, I never read any more because I already became exhausted by what I recognized to be the same story told over and over again. Seems like nothing has changed many books later.
You definitely haven't missed anything other than a couple of the books that take place much later in his career(like when he's supposed to be a retired teacher for commissar school) just repeat the same things except now he's too old for this shit, jurgen is as fragrant as ever, amberleigh complaining about sulla's crappy writing, and so on. It's not bad, it's just the same shit over and over.
Ugh... and the article about the austrian painter incident in spain... they COULDN'T boot the damned player because apparently it's protected speech due to being political and the guy had threatened to call the cops on the venue over it. It also wasn't even a GW event either.
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Same. I don't mind building guys, that's fun, but I never cared for painting. And I think that's the case for most. Again, the popularity of X-Wing, Hero Clix, or even board games with coloured plastic bits that 99% of the time nobody paints. Again, Gunpla has GW beat. You can go to town painting and the line, but coloured plastic is good enough.
I don't mind that. It looks okay. There's nothing extreme going on that makes them stand out.
Granted, I've not built a space marine in a decade or more, and I come from this.
I don't have a good picture, but third edition re-did space marine sculpts, and people had lots of fun. Even if the end result is as spilled spaghett describes:
I remember looking at a scanner was a popular pose.
How they worked was torso, legs, arms, and head were all separate, and there was a bunch of spares. So you could have a guy pointing, a guy holding something, you could have him looking in a direction, It was easy to go to an extreme and have it so a shoulder pad wouldn't fit or a gun wouldn't line up. I might be remembering wrong, but I think bolters were complete weapons so you had to snip the grip off every time. I want to say Tau reined it in a bit, but worked on the same principle.
Aside from the pushfit stuff (from the leviathan box I believe) I assumed what I described was still the standard. Again, been away for a while and since my return I've only really done third party.
Edit: Forgot to ask about this.
Is it me, or have games of 40k gotten bigger? I know OPR gets shit on for 1000 points not going as far as 40k, but it's strange how 2000pts seems to have become the standard. I vaguely remember games being smaller scale back then. I was watching a HH battle report and the models were crammed into the deployment zone like sardines. This might also explain why "i go you go" is hated so much. The idea of standing around for an hour waiting for your opponent to go wasn't as much of a thing when it was only 3-4 units and a vehicle.
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