Shitty Alternate History Thread - If only the Romans had AK-47's they would've survived...

[General Emílio Médici]

The problem with AH.com alternatives is that Ian has de-facto monopolized the space. Any alternative that tries ends up going belly up and dying because it cannot obtain enough users to achieve critically and self sustain. Ian pretty much is holding the hobby hostage and him and his moderation are killing it.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I kind of feel bad for Ian, because he's said a few times how annoying his site can be (and how he doesn't even post outside of the political forum anymore).

That's just ironic, innit. Ian with his insanity has pretty much caused it to be that way. Just look at longer threads started before 2016; I bet between a third and half of the people posting have been banned over one wrongthink or another. It's just sad. But the biggest thing is that people can't really pack their stuff and leave. The alternative sites are either too small or equally as bad.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

I kind of feel bad for Ian, because he's said a few times how annoying his site can be (and how he doesn't even post outside of the political forum anymore). Plus how he's slowly killing his own site because he's not far left enough for zoomers, gradually is banning long-time leftists for wrongthink like wanting to kill all Trump voters or not being critical enough about Israel, and of course is too far-left for everyone else. But then I recall that he made his bed and he will lie in it until he dies. Sucks to be him. Hope there can one day be an alternate history site that isn't far-left insanity, but you just know if there ever was an AH.com alternative it would make Ian's site look positively moderate.

At least most of the insanity is reserved for Chat, whatever else, though it annoys the hell out of me when it seeps into the actual AH forums.

I go into Chat sometimes to check out the latest insanity, and it's amazing how it's the leftist equivalent of the hard right facebook boomer pages you hear so much about. It does make me laugh seeing the troons realizing the pendulum on troonacy is swinging but due to the very site rules and culture they forced, they really can't talk on it openly for fear of wrongthink.

 

[MoarTard]

I know the shared worlds and fandom AH sections of the forum have their own special brand of retardation. Along with some of the personal lolcows that have resided on the site for the past several years.

In shared worlds, one user, Fratsup, became infamous amongst some map gamers in 2020 after bringing in sexbots, a racist virus that killed people who weren't white, and rapist beetles. I'll look for the thread it was in and try to archive it, if not, I'll screenshot it.

Somehow he isn't banned...

I don't browse the Fandom section because its a cesspit of endless ASOIAF SI timelines.

Anyone got any stories regarding eccentric users on the site?

 

[General Emílio Médici]

At least most of the insanity is reserved for Chat, whatever else, though it annoys the hell out of me when it seeps into the actual AH forums.

It can't be contained to Chat, that is the thing.

Chat is the only place that allows political discussion and shitflinging. This sounds good in theory, and it should be. But it is so strongly neoliberal and leftists that it kicks out anyone not on their level and enforces a echo chamber. This wouldn't be a issue, but here is the problem: the users, and particularly the mods there, think that the consensus in the Chat matches the consensus of the rest of the site and the world. So the standards of Chat spread to the rest of the site.

Suddenly, a regular opinion for most people of "there are only two sexes" is considered political. Thinking that actually Hitler was a bad guy but not the Antichrist complete devil end of the world is political. Giving the Cofederate States of America anything but the harshest of criticisms and hate? Political baiting, obviously racist, be banned.

This is how they have killed moderate WW2 timelines into being either Nazi curb stomps or 2edgy4u nazi victories where anything other than complete and total destruction of Nazi Germany makes the world end. It's how they killed the confederate fanboys. How the whitewashing of communists spread to make for shit like obvious wish fulfilment timelines about commie victories "non-political" but right wing ones "political" unless you do it while disavowing it at every possibility, much less ones which are farther right.

The knock on effects of Chat's mental retardation are what lead to so many bans outside of it, as people make a point which is "political" to the brain rotted mods who live on Chat, fellow Chatters report it and then they are banned when they argue confused about what is political about a factual statement such as how the 1919 German Civil War had many ethinic jews on the Spartacist sde.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I don't browse the Fandom section because its a cesspit of endless ASOIAF SI timelines.

I wish they could be filtered out. Permanently. I am not interested in some smut powerfantasies. I am not interested in GoT, at all, either.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

The entire forum is a absolute shitshow for searching or filtering stuff. You need to know the exact title of a thread to find a timeline or else good luck. This is directly related to how absolutely dogshit the XenForo theme for AH.com is and how Ian seems to put absolutely no effort whatsoever on maintaining it. I would say the site looks like it is still in 2003 but that would be a insult to forums from 2003 which I am pretty sure already had tagging systems. Hell, the site DOES have a box for you to write tags on your threads... but like the rest of the XenForo style and coding of the site it is the absolute bare minimum, straight out of the box default setting with literally nothing else. You don't have it shown on the thread on the forum what the tags are, you don't have a option to browse by tags or ignore or highlight them, nothing.

Ian is just a really fucking lazy admin. How did THIS faggot out of all people end up in charge of the place?

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

The entire forum is a absolute shitshow for searching or filtering stuff.

The general workaround is adding threads to the "Watched threads"-category you can access on the top bar. But searching for the rare gold nuggets to add is a pain in the ass; in particular in Fandom it's working against the stream of shit that's ASOIAF-smut. I just want to read the very rare excellent space operas and I'm still let down by the structure of the forum...

I would say the site looks like it is still in 2003 but that would be a insult to forums from 2003 which I am pretty sure already had tagging systems.

For me that is part of the charme, but I actually would like to have more functionality. It took Ian ages to add threadmarks and tags in general. His behaviour in that regard is that of "got mine, fuck you"-boomers.

How did THIS faggot out of all people end up in charge of the place?

It's his, unfortunately. If I had fuck you levels of money I'd buy him out.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

I just want to read the very rare excellent space operas and I'm still let down by the structure of the forum...

Yeah the real shame is how there is potential on the site and Ian and gang waste it. I remember reading a pretty interesting original fiction about a future humanity where we had colonized most of the inner solar system, and one day Earth just sorta went "poof" and stopped talking. And then Mars did it too. It took place a few decades afterward, in the only surviving human population of a few million people in Europa. But now I have no idea how to find it because of how SHIT the search function is and the lack of tags.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Yeah the real shame is how there is potential on the site and Ian and gang waste it.

Absolutely. When it comes to quality - there are indeed some very, very skilled writers at ah.com, but they're hamstrung by the general insanity and lack of forum functonality. It's really a shame. "Politics" really ruin everything, on top of midwit internet bureaucrats that slowly destroy the universe.

I remember reading a pretty interesting original fiction about a future humanity where we had colonized most of the inner solar system, and one day Earth just sorta went "poof" and stopped talking. And then Mars did it too. It took place a few decades afterward, in the only surviving human population of a few million people in Europa.

Remember that one, too, but can't find it, lol. Because of course!

 

[MoarTard]

This is how they have killed moderate WW2 timelines into being either Nazi curb stomps or 2edgy4u nazi victories where anything other than complete and total destruction of Nazi Germany makes the world end. It's how they killed the confederate fanboys. How the whitewashing of communists spread to make for shit like obvious wish fulfilment timelines about commie victories "non-political" but right wing ones "political" unless you do it while disavowing it at every possibility, much less ones which are farther right.

I remember a bunch of people threw a bitchfit over timelines such as The Footprint of Mussolini and The Death of Russia.

The author (A user name Sorairo) ended up getting into an argument in a thread trying to figure out his next timeline (trying to defend himself) and was threatened to be kicked by CalBear.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Anyone got any stories regarding eccentric users on the site?

The Indians on the site are the more harmlessly eccentric. The best was the one I mentioned a few pages ago who pretended to be a sexy Chinese girl and posted swimsuit pics which were actually AI. Then he got accused of being a Nazi by some Discord clique, and then got banned by Ian when he discovered the user was lying about everything and all their posts came from India. And then his popular story was revealed to be AI-generated.

But there were other Indians, like one guy who was autistically obsessed with race and transhumanism and believed everyone would evolve into transhuman Aryan gods able to create new universes at will or something like that once we inevitably discovered quantum superpowers. He eventually got banned for race autism, but went through like 20 sockpuppets before he gave up on the site.

Most of the craziest users on AH.con I or someone else has already documented in this thread, like this one tankie troon whose ideal world involved MKUltra-style drug torture of -ists and -phobes. Pretty sure there was a black supremacist or two, even though they avoided blatant kangz-tier shit (they got banned for calling people Nazis too many times). Or another troon who had a mental breakdown over Tucker Carlson interviewing some guy who thought China and Xi Jinping were evil and that meant Tucker Carlson was gonna make the Turner Diaries real and kill all non-whites. He asked for a permaban, but then came back and sometimes still dramatically quits the site before returning. Dude is absolutely mental even for a troon and is obsessed with the idea of ending families and traditional relationships and the human race becoming an emotionless hive mind.

I wish they could be filtered out. Permanently. I am not interested in some smut powerfantasies. I am not interested in GoT, at all, either.

I only know about those threads when I peruse the list of recent bans. They sound like universally horrible fanfics read by 80 IQ mongoloids who can't help but sperg out at the authors for not complying 100% to their autism and get slapped down by the jannies.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

The author (A user name Sorairo) ended up getting into an argument in a thread trying to figure out his next timeline (trying to defend himself) and was threatened to be kicked by CalBear.

His next timeline was on a worse, Hezbollah done 9/11 and Bush going into a actual war over it with Iran, Iraq and North Korea. It sounds dumber than it is but he justifies and explains it decently. He also said it would be his last timeline likely because of this exact pushback. I wonder if he left permanently, haven't check.

The timelines were not actually that good, there were quite a few historical misconceptions and inaccuracies or anachronisms which showed up. But I give him a pass and quite a bit of respect for actually putting his shit down and writing it all the way instead of doing like the hundreds upon hundreds of abandoned ideas around, not to mention actually trying to make interesting scenarios instead of the 387th "what if Hitler farted twice instead of once on Jan 3rd 1939?".

I feel like he could have used more constructive criticism and gentle pushback on the stuff he was wrong/mistaken about and seen a lot of improvement out of it. Except, as I mentioned, the nature of the site and the pushes by Ian and the moderators on their own bubbles of political circle-jerking in chat meant that Sorario didn't even know if he was crossing on actual politics or not and so he was basically trying to avoid invisible tripwires. No one was gonna point out that Hitler and Nazi Germany were not gonna start a 3rd front on WW2 over Horthy just expelling Hungarian jews because the Nazis were not actually saturday morning cartoon villains. No one is gonna point out that The Turner Diaries is a absolutely retarded book which makes no sense for a russian slav supremacist to care about, and Timothy McVeigh going to Russia to help ultranationalist russians makes no sense based on who he was and his political positions because "far right racist" is about as deep as the understanding of him they have.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I wonder if he left permanently, haven't check.

That would be a real shame; FoM and DoR were solid reads, even if they were hilarious or inconsistent at times. But then again, history is full of that, too.

I only know about those threads when I peruse the list of recent bans. They sound like universally horrible fanfics read by 80 IQ mongoloids who can't help but sperg out at the authors for not complying 100% to their autism and get slapped down by the jannies.

Most of that shit indeed is. Why people obsess over this stuff is beyond me: GoT/ASOIAF isn't even that good to begin with. The plot falls apart if slightly poked and there are numerous issues with the characters making no sense at all... If this was my forum, the ASOIAF-autists would get their own containment zone. I am so tired of them, it's unreal.

 

[MoarTard]

I wonder if he left permanently, haven't check.

He left after Bush vs the Axis of Evil in around April of this year. However, he still responds to PMs on his account.

 

[The beast]

Which timeline is this from, Is this from the Reds! timeline?

No, it’s from the fire never dies

 

[Briananderson1138]

So I had the misfortune of looking back through this thread, finding "A Golden Island To The West", and reading the first six or seven pages of its thread on Sufficientvelocity. The sad thing is that the premise is genuinely interesting. You could write a very interesting story about a modern U.S. state being sent back to the Antebellum period and the people thereof trying to free the slaves.

That hypothetical story would focus on the moral dilemmas incurred by determining how to obtain emancipation (e.g. the degree of bargaining that ought to be carried out with the planters, whether emancipation should be gradual and compensated, etc.), and on the question of getting a fair deal for the freedmen afterward (the first problem directly influencing the character of the second). The problem of rehabilitating the freedmen who migrated to the modern state would be particularly interesting; I recall the considerable difficulty experienced by North Koreans in trying to adapt to South Korean life.

The second problem and element of the story would be that of getting the infrastructure of modern society in order. I would expect certain electronic conveniences to be abandoned for a time, and for material and equipment shortages and rationing per WWII to occur.

"A Golden Island To The West" is not that story. The 1850 antislavery liberals turning instantly to modern values upon seeing the wonders of the Californian way of life is the single most egregious and single most representative aspect of this slop.



This is the author's avatar on Sufficientvelocity by the way. I'm not saying that this is a 40 year old man with several hard drives of underage hentai, but I'm not ruling out that possibility.

 

[MoarTard]

Anyone here have any stories involving lolcows from the shared worlds section of the forum?

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Troons and commies and commie troons on AlternateHistory.com are having a meltdown rightnow. If you've got an account, then get in here and mine some salt!
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This one is my favorite I've found. Euro cocksucker BTFO.

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Found some nice salt from AH.com over Trump winning. I ignored them in 2016 since I was very busy with work and slept through Trump's election, but I heard it was great too.

 

[MoarTard]

Found some nice salt from AH.com over Trump winning. I ignored them in 2016 since I was very busy with work and slept through Trump's election, but I heard it was great too.

It gets better

He renounced his citizenship.