The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

Have you considered clowning as a full time job, or is the IDF pay plan too good to switch?
. It had nothing to do with extermination
Are you trying to to be so bad at this?

The Nazis had a policy of tattooing all permanent prisoners to Auschwitz. As I said it had nothing to do with extermination.

This guy is saying Jews made up the vast majority or whatever, or the policy was focused on them. Which is untrue. Not all Jews even got tattooed.
 
That is in no way what I said but continue to double down on a straw man narrative you are inventing. Then claiming I said it.

You originally said it was for identifying escapees from the camps. Which was stupid. Now you're onto this which is also stupid. Lets give some benefit of the doubt here. Forced labor by POWs was done all over the continent. Not just in lolWitz but in all of the Stalags holding POWs as well.

What purpose was there to invent a serial number tattooing system at Auschwitz but to not bother with it at any of the locations you also had POWs? Basic manual labor can and was done by nearly all prisoners. There is no need of a tattoo serial number system (that also makes no sense how its presented). The historical narrative is that Anne Frank died after doing tons of forced manual labor as a teenage girl or whatever.

What made this camp and its mostly Jew population in comparison to the other camps so special that it required it?
 
What purpose was there to invent a serial number tattooing system at Auschwitz but to not bother with it at any of the locations you also had POWs?
Auschwitz was the largest labor camp in Europe. I don't know why their policies weren't universal across all Nazi labor camps. The only answer is it has to be a giant lie eh


There are various reasons given for the tattoos, again so what


"Initially, the SS authorities marked prisoners who were in the infirmary or who were to be executed with their camp serial number across the chest with indelible ink. As prisoners were executed or died in other ways, their clothing bearing the camp serial number was removed. Given the mortality rate at the camp and practice of removing clothing, there was no way to identify the bodies after the clothing was removed. Hence, the SS authorities introduced the practice of tattooing in order to identify the bodies of registered prisoners who had died."
 
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I agree that the 4 million number was made up. The website for the Auschwitz Museum even agrees.
So they have no problems making numbers up then? Glad we agree.
It wasn’t until the 1980s and 1990s that the number was revised.

In 1992, Dr. Franciszek Piper, director of the Historical Research Department at the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, published the book How Many People Perished in Auschwitz Concentration Camp, in which he stated that at least 1.3 million people were deported to the camp and that about 200,000 of them were transferred to camps in the depths of the Third Reich, with the remaining 1.1 million or more dying in Auschwitz
I wonder what else caused them to say that in 1992.


oh. So they wont ever tell you why yet again. Why is do they always lie?
That number I can believe because it was found through analysis of documents of the number of people deported to Auschwitz.
What about the people deported out of Auschwitz. Poster child Anne Frank herself was, so clearly other people were as well. Or did those documents get destroyed by the Soviets so they don't count?
Much better and more accurate records for finding the number of people who went to the camp than testimony and a check of the camp.
Except you are still relying on Soviet record keeping for all of it. So it's all worthless.
These things don't support the narrative. Even your insults make no sense.
It's called weaponized incompetence, they did zero fact checking to start with so they could freely insert their lies and then walk back the indefensible and keep the rest.
The evidence always suggested the number was much lower, and the earliest Holocaust historians in the 50s and 60s judged it to be around 1 million.
Prove it.
Perchance, do you have a single example of such a forgery?

No? Just another sly remark, or silence? The hits keep coming.
This is a good example of how you guys will look at something you don't understand (because you won't take 5 minutes to research it) , make up stories in your head about the facts on the ground or what people believe, and conclude we can only be in the presence of a conspritorial lie.
Projection.

almost all these 10,000 Soviet prisoners died within months of arrival.
So how do we know they were tattoo'd?

In spring 1942, the SS began systematically tattooing all incoming Jewish prisoners. This form of identification also was applied to very ill prisoners, predominantly Poles, who had been transferred from the camp hospital at Auschwitz I to the newly constructed camp at Birkenau (Auschwitz II).
why would you tattoo someone who is dying and presumably will kill shortly? This all makes so much sense.

In early 1943, the practice of tattooing prisoners at the Auschwitz camp complex expanded.
how do you expand on something you are doing to everyone?

Certain categories of prisoners, however, were exempt from the tattooing process.
we are tattooing everyone, except not everyone!

In addition, Polish civilians deported to Auschwitz after the Warsaw Uprising in 1944 were not tattooed. Some Jewish prisoners who were held in transit to other camps did not have to undergo this procedure.
sorry did we say everyone? We mean not even close to everyone.

The first series of prisoner numbers was introduced in May 1940, well before the practice of tattooing began.
and look a language slight of hand. Everyone got numbers but not everyone was tattoo'd.

The first series of prisoner numbers was introduced in May 1940, well before the practice of tattooing began. This first series was given to male prisoners and remained in use until January 1945, ending with the number 202,499.
So you've got a total of 200k numbers, where did 400k come from?

A new series of registration numbers was introduced in October 1941 and remained in use until 1944. Approximately 12,000 Soviet POWs were given numbers from this series (some of the POWs murdered at Auschwitz were never registered and did not receive numbers).
So they've got a new set of numbers for no reason. Also we have countless other people killed and not numbers. Gotta fuzzy that math up in case you start counting for yourself.

A third series of numbers was introduced in March 1942 with the arrival of the first female prisoners. Approximately 90,000 female prisoners were identified with a series of numbers created for female prisoners in March 1942 until May 1944.
So now we have 290k in total.

Each new series of numbers introduced at Auschwitz began with “1.” Some Jewish prisoners (but not all) had a triangle tattooed beneath their serial number.
why would they need a triangle unless you are backfilling information.

In order to avoid the assignment of excessively high numbers from the general series to the large number of Hungarian Jews arriving in 1944, the SS authorities introduced new sequences of numbers in mid-May 1944.
see tattooing one more number is such a hassle, we'd rather do exponentially more book keeping work instead.

This series, prefaced by the letter A, began with “1” and ended at “20,000.” Once the number 20,000 was reached, a new series beginning with “B” series was introduced. Some 15,000 men received “B” series tattoos. For an unknown reason, the “A” series for women did not stop at 20,000 and continued to 30,000.
the German people known for their ruthless efficiency and mechanical processes, throw it all away to just make numbers up at the first opportunity.

Numbers from this new series were assigned retroactively to “reeducation” prisoners who had died or been released, while their superseded general-series serial numbers were reassigned to new “general” arrivals. This was the only instance in the history of Auschwitz of numbers being “recycled.”
so they reused serial numbers, which everyone knows not to do but also released people instead of killing them in the gas chamber. I guess even Auschwitz itself can't help but deny the Holocaust.


https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/image?phrase=holocaust+tattoo also for a good laugh, look at the random placement of numbers, letters, and sizing of the font for tattoos that are supposed to come from a stamp
 
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Remember. The only purpose of a serial number of any kind is so you can use this specific number to look up details on who or what it is assigned to. If you add weird triangle shit to it that in addition to the serial number your system now does not function. The Germans were able to successfully serial number all of the automobiles, tanks, and weapons they produced and the allied eggheads used this to great effect to determine the true manufacturing capabilities of the German machine. In hindsight they were like 97% on the mark with their predictions based on this analysis.

Adding another serial number system to something else was well within their wheelhouse. They wouldn't have fucked it up to the point of being totally unreliable. Except they did when it came to Jews.
 
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Adding another serial number system to something else was well within their wheelhouse. They wouldn't have fucked it up to the point of being totally unreliable. Except they did when it came to Jews.
Its almost like the entire narrative about serial numbers and genocide was made up after the fact by parties interested in obtaining money, political power, and moral justification for something untoward.
 
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Its almost like the entire narrative about serial numbers and genocide was made up after the fact by parties interested in obtaining money, political power, and moral justification for something untoward.
While being so dumb and arrogant that they think no one would double check. If everyone that entered the camp was serialized, it's just a quick check of the numbers to see who is alive and who is dead. Wait that disproves the holocaust.
 
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https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/image?phrase=holocaust+tattoo also for a good laugh, look at the random placement of numbers, letters, and sizing of the font for tattoos that are supposed to come from a stamp
Lots of these are very clearly done freehand with simplistic tools. Otherwise known as prison ink. I love this one the most. Auschwitz SS tattoo artist giving stylized fonts to those who requested!

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The official source linked earlier indicates that the SS ordered all tattoos to be on the inside of the arm. Guess this guy made a special request?

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Lots of these are very clearly done freehand with simplistic tools. Otherwise known as prison ink. I love this one the most. Auschwitz SS tattoo artist giving stylized fonts to those who requested!
Getty images is just an image repository, so a lot of them are holocaust based tattoos, not ones presumably done at the camps themselves. So don't get confused about that part.
 
It suddenly got so quiet here.
When a serial numbering system provided by the Jews own evidence is objectively non functioning and never was functioning what conclusion do you come to? Do you continue down a nonsensical narrative that fails under the weight of anyone looking even a little too closely?

You are so close to understanding.

So what are you guys saying, there weren't any tattoos done in Auschwitz?
As always you reduce this to the extent that you make someone "denying" it sound insane. Then claim victory right?

Since you somehow missed the point of the discussion here. Tattooing something by force for any reason is inherently an extremely sympathetic subject. Whatever was or was not done in the Camps is nonsensical. This tattoo and serial number system was not applied consistently by any measure to anyone that ever set foot there. No records tied to the serial numbers were ever found. This objectively means that there is no material evidence to support the notion that prisoners received these for any of the reasons provided. You would have to also believe that the Jews were special in that they needed this for employment in manual labor. All across the prison stalags millions of POWs were put to manual labor. None of this was ever necessary.

So again, why was this necessary at all and why was it only applied in this one location? Why was it mostly done to only Jews following the evidence they claim?

Now, if you wanted to exaggerate this to garner sympathy in the post-war this would be a very solid angle to pursue. One that nobody would ever question for 60 or so years and if they ever did question it you could shout them down as insensitive clowns. Which you are doing now. Nothing about Nazi Germany supports the idea that they would have created a nonworking serial number system and failed to apply it consistently to whatever they were trying to track. They never failed at doing this in an industrial capacity, they wouldn't have failed here.
 
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A lot of jews tattoed themselves post war for extra gibs and clout.
This is the simplest explanation for the lack of consistency in placement, number structure, and stylization. If the Germans did this it would have been in the ink stamp format in the same location following a structured and algorithmically explainable serial number. Following the supporting evidence across their industrial capacities employing exactly that.

Jews going to get in on the game here is what requires layers of weird explanations that objectively make no sense. Especially if the Germans supposedly did it. All it points to is Jews getting in on it but not understanding anything about the background. Leading to massive inconsistency.
 
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As always you reduce this to the extent that you make someone "denying" it sound insane. Then claim victory right?
I was asking a simple question. If tattoos were given in Auschwitz, what was the system then? Or were they not given? I'm still not clear about what you actually believe.

As far as I can tell the system went like this

  • Regular numbers for men and women up until 1944
  • Then ids with letter prefixes (like "A" series for Jews, "Z" series for Roma prisoners, Au for POWs)
 
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I was asking a simple question. If tattoos were given in Auschwitz, what was the system then? Or were they not given? I'm still not clear about what you actually believe.
Ah yes, playing dumb now. Really going down the trick list friendo.

Whatever was done at lolWitz is muddied by many Jews tattooing themselves fraudulently to get on the postwar sympathy train. But they lacked the knowledge of many of the details of the original process. However limited it was. Regardless of their association to lolWitz. This resulted in the massive inconsistencies in the serial number system that the supporting academics were forced to explain. Exactly as they did in the source you provided. Additionally the record evidence conveniently doesn't exist for any of it from the mountains of German records.

Did you ever wonder why that was?
 
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Ah yes, playing dumb now. Really going down the trick list friendo.
Listen it's a legit question to ask someone what they believe. Your answer (which seems to be "I don't know") seems to leave room for the possibility that it didn't happen at all. If it was a limited tattoo system, why have it at all? You seemingly can't even specify it was limited, extensive, or didn't exist at all.

A problem with revisionists is that you don't offer explanations or narrative for what actually happened, which is basically what history is, definitionally. But when you try to do that, eg with this tattoo system or famed Jewish resettlement in Russia, the results are extremely lacking compared to mainstream history. Feel free to prove me wrong w the tattoo system. BTW I don't think Holocaust revisionists of the most advanced sort https://holocausthandbooks.com/ have any doubts about the tattoo system, other than probably that some people got fake tattoos after the war to steal valor, so I think you're going to be alone here in your research.

To be clear, you're saying that the number system eg described here

Couldn't have existed because

A) it was too convoluted
B) it wasn't documented

Correct me if I'm wrong please.

I don't know if documents exist specifying the code, but in the record books (according to historians) prisoners are registered using this code.
 
was asking a simple question. If tattoos were given in Auschwitz, what was the system then? Or were they not given? I'm still not clear about what you actually believe.
Maybe you should do the explaining, since you have asserted the position that the presence of tattoos totally inconsistent with every other instance of serialization by the Reich somehow proves industrial scale genocide using rollercoasters, trained bears/eagles, electrified floors, masturbation machines, gas chambers, and magical corpse vaporizers.

The burden of proof is on you.
Ah yes, playing dumb now. Really going down the trick list friendo.
This is his normal trick where he keeps trying to flip the burden of proof over onto other people and make them come up with alternative theories or positions he can then attack. He is just trying to put you on the defensive so he no longer has to make actual arguments in support of his position and act in bad faith. You have to remember, even though he advanced a theory (that millions of Jews were factory murdered for no reason using rollercoasters, trained bears/eagles, electrified floors, masturbation machines, gas chambers, etc and cremated so totally and then concealed so skillfully that it's impossible to prove anything happened with any forensic evidence at all) the burden is on everyone else to either prove a negative or prove some convoluted alternative theory otherwise their concocted delusion is true. Once you realize the base assumption involves an inversion of the burden of proof his posting makes perfect sense.
 
Maybe you should do the explaining, since you have asserted the position that the presence of tattoos totally inconsistent with every other instance of serialization by the Reich somehow proves industrial scale genocide
LMAO I haven't. I have literally said explicitly that the tattoos have nothing to do with genocide of Jews, I even told you directly.
It had nothing to do with extermination

As I said it had nothing to do with extermination.

This a clear example of how broken your mind is when it comes to this debate, it's like you're having conversation with an imaginary friend.
 
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This a clear example of how broken your mind is when it comes to this debate, it's like you're having conversation with an imaginary friend.
🤡 "So during the war Wizard Hitler using his psychic mind control powers to order the complete extermination of the Jews by using post-hypnotic suggestions coded into various euphemisms. The Nazis were so tricky to never actually issue orders for this genocide unlike literally everything else, so tricky and evil."
🐺 "What?"
🤡 "This led to the rounding up of all Jews (except all the survivors) and their transport to elaborate death camps with cinemas and dentist offices and swimming pools where the Jews imprisoned for many years until they were genocided with roller coasters, trained bears/eagles, masturbation machines, electric floors, gas chambers, gas vans, and life sized chess games run by evil Nazi officers. Except for the Jews that held their breath or walked backwards to trick the stupid guards."
🐺 ".....wait, they built death theme parks during a war? Huh?"
🤡 "Then they loaded all the Jews into ovens that ran on Jew fat from obese jews, except for the ones they burned in pits, but the point is they cremated every body and destroyed all the evidence forever and buried it in places that modern technology show hasn't been disturbed in hundreds of years but those modern scans are faked by Nazi ghosts and further investigation is illegal per Rabbinical law anyway so it can never be disproved..."
🐺 ".....so its against the law to check this you say?"
🤡 "This is why everyone should feel guilty and give deference to Jews, because Evil Wizard Hitler and the Demon Germans tried to do a genocide but failed so badly that now Jews have their own nuclear ethnostate!"
🐺 ".....This sounds a bit implausible."
🤡 "YOU'RE A BRAIN BROKEN NAZI!"
 
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