Sweet Baby Inc. and the Steam Curator Group Conspiracy - The company that is responsible for the diarrheic video game writing.

[ShitLurker]

Don't bother.

Fed straight up called me an Incel before.

They're one of those "It meant nothing" types because as @Hooked on phobics said "Because it didn't immediately stomp out Games Journalism, it's a failure"

It was used as the ultimate scapegoat, but the actual important thing that gamergate achieved is that it got a lot of people "noticing" who in the past gave no shits. A lot of people honesly lived in the land of "why would they lie?" and when they saw that the all read from the same playbook, and spread the same bullshit, it started making them hiper aware that this just wasn't a videogane journo thing, it was jounalism in general and beyond that.

Of course the media spinned like they do and at that point in time had enough trust to basically rewrite gamergate to "monster chuds" and won the messaging battle in normie space. But all of the redpilling it generated in exchange ended having enough value and staying power to still be buzzing today when media trust is in the shitter.

Had no Gamergate happened the most charitable thing you can say is that more standard or conservative frames of mind would have not been publicly hounded out of the industry (and maybe Tim Soret could have released his fucking gane) but they would have silently been purged anyway by the silent march through HR. And being less charitable it would be the exact same but with something else being the catalyst that got people paying attention and talking about it instead of five guys.

I rather have hyper aware spergs screaming woke at everything than radio silence and me wondering if I'm fucking insane for thinking that everything just looks shittier.

 

[Incecticyder]

One of the things that happened in GG1 was you found out that a lot of the big game companies did in fact support the people at Polygon, Kotaku and the rest. They agreed that games were sexist, racist, homophobic and transphobic and needed to "do better."

Yup, it was eyeopenning to find out that the devs were on the side of the journos.

That wasn't the only side of GamerGate though, it was arguably a lot more successful as an information exchange. That part of GG1 continued to the current day.

That side provided the fuel that was ignited by the spark of current year games (movies and TV too) being bad and filled with woke messages.

It was used as the ultimate scapegoat, but the actual important thing that gamergate achieved is that it got a lot of people "noticing" who in the past gave no shits. A lot of people honesly lived in the land of "why would they lie?" and when they saw that the all read from the same playbook, and spread the same bullshit, it started making them hiper aware that this just wasn't a videogane journo thing, it was jounalism in general and beyond that.

Of course the media spinned like they do and at that point in time had enough trust to basically rewrite gamergate to "monster chuds" and won the messaging battle in normie space. But all of the redpilling it generated in exchange ended having enough value and staying power to still be buzzing today when media trust is in the shitter.

Had no Gamergate happened the most charitable thing you can say is that more standard or conservative frames of mind would have not been publicly hounded out of the industry (and maybe Tim Soret could have released his fucking gane) but they would have silently been purged anyway by the silent march through HR. And being less charitable it would be the exact same but with something else being the catalyst that got people paying attention and talking about it instead of five guys.

I rather have hyper aware spergs screaming woke at everything than radio silence and me wondering if I'm fucking insane for thinking that everything just looks shittier.

All this lasted until the normies started noticing. Then everything crumbled.

 

[Not A Fed]

Can we all stop pretending that Gamergate was meaningful and admit it was just a bunch of spastic virgins who ultimately made everything worse?

Maybe if Trump had tweeted “Gamergate” things would have been different but ultimately it was a sad, pathetic, and terminally online episode of history.

Kill yourself you retarded fucking nigger.

Look at the industry. You’d have to be retarded and blind to think it made anything better.

Do you not think that has anything to do with almost all of our media institutes even outside of video games having one singular ideological bent?

 

[Not A Fed]

The only thing GamerGate did wrong was try to play along with the leftists game of trying not to be racist. Remember #NotYourShield? That was a rookie mistake, but you'll have to forgive things like that because most people didn't realize what was actually going on. Anti-GamerGate was never good faith. Game journalists and the industry itself doesn't argue in good faith. Useful idiots outside of the industry that kowtows to the industry don't argue in good faith. People didn't realize that until it was far too late. But it opened a lot of young peoples' eyes to what media corruption looks like, as well as what leftist ideology does to people outside of media.

On top of that, there's an important thing to remember. Leftists lie about harassment, which is exactly what Zoe Quinn did to Wizardchan to get her game to pass Steam Greenlight after it previously failed, right before GamerGate. If GamerGate didn't exist, these people can still fail upwards. They've been inventing enemies this whole time. GamerGate's existence isn't necessary for them to cry harassment and then fail upward, or to even craft narratives about groups of people or the industry as a whole. They can do all that without GamerGate ever existing.

It overall helped change peoples' perspectives and the discourse surrounding video games in our favor. It just took time. Now you've got stupid worthless fucking assholes on Kiwi Farms being contrarian retards because they've been inundated with the perspective that GamerGate helped spread, for so long that they don't realize what things were like in pre-GamerGate discourse.

 

[Overpriced Gaming Chair]

Kind of like the "pidgeon shits all over the chessboard, flies away victoriously" -analogy. Except in this case there's basically a conspiracy where multiple people keep restocking your opponent's pieces and/or trying to steal yours. In that scenario, it doesn't matter how well you can play chess. Only practical benefit is that some observers may see what's going on and quietly distance themselves from those blatant cheaters.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Kind of like the "pidgeon shits all over the chessboard, flies away victoriously" -analogy. Except in this case there's basically a conspiracy where multiple people keep restocking your opponent's pieces and/or trying to steal yours. In that scenario, it doesn't matter how well you can play chess. Only practical benefit is that some observers may see what's going on and quietly distance themselves from those blatant cheaters.

The best thing you can do is sit back and ignore them, these companies are doing a good job alienating their last few customers and going out of business without anyone's interference.

 

[ShitLurker]

The only thing GamerGate did wrong was try to play along with the leftists game of trying not to be racist. Remember #NotYourShield? That was a rookie mistake, but you'll have to forgive things like that because most people didn't realize what was actually going on.

It had it's value as a second layer of redpills. It showed that it wasn't about consistency. That the powers that be gave 0 shits about things that opposed their narrative. It was only about power and has always been that, it helped remove the lenses of "caring about the optics" since you will never ever ever be able to set them anyway and anything you do will always be painted in the worst light, so it's pointless.

 

[SpookyObserver]

It was used as the ultimate scapegoat, but the actual important thing that gamergate achieved is that it got a lot of people "noticing" who in the past gave no shits. A lot of people honesly lived in the land of "why would they lie?" and when they saw that the all read from the same playbook, and spread the same bullshit, it started making them hiper aware that this just wasn't a videogane journo thing, it was jounalism in general and beyond that.

Of course the media spinned like they do and at that point in time had enough trust to basically rewrite gamergate to "monster chuds" and won the messaging battle in normie space. But all of the redpilling it generated in exchange ended having enough value and staying power to still be buzzing today when media trust is in the shitter.

Had no Gamergate happened the most charitable thing you can say is that more standard or conservative frames of mind would have not been publicly hounded out of the industry (and maybe Tim Soret could have released his fucking gane) but they would have silently been purged anyway by the silent march through HR. And being less charitable it would be the exact same but with something else being the catalyst that got people paying attention and talking about it instead of five guys.

I rather have hyper aware spergs screaming woke at everything than radio silence and me wondering if I'm fucking insane for thinking that everything just looks shittier.

I gotta kind of agree, GG gave them a lot of ammo and as time goes on they control completely how people look back at it. All the negatives the pro DEI crowd have now were inevitable I think. Think of the biggest blows theyve taken to their public perception , it is always from their own retardation.

 

[AnOminous]

I'd ask, "Changing them into what," but I think I know.

Changing them into faggots apparently.

This is the same logic Jack Thompson used that somehow, playing Doom turned you into a school shooter.

It's just absolute dumbassery.

 

[marvlouslie]

Changing them into faggots apparently.

This is the same logic Jack Thompson used that somehow, playing Doom turned you into a school shooter.

It's just absolute dumbassery.

It's also the same logic that leads to *Looks at Notes* seeing, watching, looking at sexy women will make you into a rapist, because you hate women for....some... reason.

It's just basic Leftist retardation in general.

 

[Oliver Onions]

Those sites have lived on for years because autistic gamers click on their bait articles to have a furious hate wank over them.

Except for all the ones that have been shut down or had their workforce massively reduced, sure. Also, most of the remaining ones only live on because they're subsidiaries of much larger media conglomerates, but even their days are numbered.

Other than all that though, you're absolutely right: games journalism is stronger than ever and everybody takes it very very seriously.

 

[Incecticyder]

Except for all the ones that have been shut down or had their workforce massively reduced, sure. Also, most of the remaining ones only live on because they're subsidiaries of much larger media conglomerates, but even their days are numbered.

Other than all that though, you're absolutely right: games journalism is stronger than ever and everybody takes it very very seriously.

This are some speedrun, completionist, brain rot opinions. "We did not win immediately with perfect scores so we lost." Ignoring the fact that we played the long con and it worked. It is called "Fabian Tactics" my friend. They take a while and can be costly but they work for final victory and that is important. I presume the Allies lost WW2 as well if we use that logic.

 

[Oliver Onions]

They take a while and can be costly but they work for final victory and that is important.

I can't speak for everyone who was involved in GG at the time, but I never wanted any of these websites to be shut down any way. I just wanted the very obvious nepotism, shilling and lying to stop (or at the very least be disclosed).

Let Kotaku write all the 'Mewtwo is basically Elsa from Frozen' articles they want, just don't call it journalism. The world is a funnier place with these people in it imo.

 

[Incecticyder]

I can't speak for everyone who was involved in GG at the time, but I never wanted any of these websites to be shut down any way. I just wanted the very obvious nepotism, shilling and lying to stop (or at the very least be disclosed).

Let Kotaku write all the 'Mewtwo is basically Elsa from Frozen' articles they want, just don't call it journalism. The world is a funnier place with these people in it imo.

Very few wanted TJD (Total Journo Death) at the start and many would be ok with a braindead article once in a while for clicks. However, that disclosure is nearly impossible to ask. You ask them to admit they have no integrity. There is no way they would say yes as that would hurt them immensely. In the end, what they wanted and what you wanted were nearly irreconcilable. They wanted bribes, nepotism, shilling, propaganda and some ass and you wanted honesty. There is no way they could be honest about that. Add the fact that some in GG thought they were funny when they made sexist comment on the Anti-GG side which further fueled the backlash (though some of it was a false flag attack) by giving proof of GG's "sexist" goals.

 

[Not A Fed]

I literally want game journalists to die.

 

[King Of Braves]

I literally want game journalists to die.

A noble dream.

 

[Joe Dough 68]

I'd say In hindsight Gamergate can be best described as a torpedo movement, it's detonation was inevitable, but it did basically irreparably cripple """journalistic integrity""" in the process.

 

[Judge Dredd]

I've been seeing the term "toxic positivity" come up a lot recently when SBI or DEI games are mentioned, and I don't understand what it means in that context. Can someone explain what they're talking about?

Without Gamergate, Zoe Quinn wouldn't have ever had the opportunity to become a grifter. She'd still be working at Five Guys right now were not for goobergate.

The grift was already on going which is why journos burned their entire industry trying to protect it. ShortFatOtaku used to have a video series talking about the revolving door of award shows and grants, but he deleted it recently since he got TDS and trolls remorse.

I'd say In hindsight Gamergate can be best described as a torpedo movement, it's detonation was inevitable, but it did basically irreparably cripple """journalistic integrity""" in the process.

Which is a good thing. Gamergate ended a year or two after it started, but it became a boogieman to lefties even to this day. The few on the right that tried to keep it going (like Sargon) were also out of touch, which is why it was so cringe when he said Trump should tweet about gamergate.

 

[SpookyObserver]

I've been seeing the term "toxic positivity" come up a lot recently when SBI or DEI games are mentioned, and I don't understand what it means in that context. Can someone explain what they're talking about?

Likely the inability of any non "true believer" to speak up because the culture in closed off insular groups that believe in DEI dont like criticism and instead want you to nod in agreement so you keep your job and connections.

 

[King Of Braves]

Likely the inability of any non "true believer" to speak up because the culture in closed off insular groups that believe in DEI dont like criticism and instead want you to nod in agreement so you keep your job and connections.

Yep. Toxic positivity is an environment where no one is allowed to critique anyone and everything someone does must be considered brave and stunning or you will be ostracized and/or terminated. It's an environment where *zero* negativity, constructive or otherwise, is permitted.