AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

[MagneticTowels]

Expanding on this train of thought:

The AI copyright wars in the near future are going to provide bountiful content to laugh at, if only because I doubt it’s going to stay in the public’s hands for long.

Free generators will become a thing of the past in a couple years or so, because the companies hosting them will start demanding subscription fees- and only allow a few images or videos to be created a day.

I keep hearing this over and over. You're wrong. Most of the AIs are open source and run from home PCs. What are you talking about?

Theoretically, at the moment, you could make a fake knock off Taylor Swift album and sell copies of it online without legal punishment of any sort.

We can already do that. It's parody/satire.

 

[Kiwisee]

I keep hearing this over and over. You're wrong. Most of the AIs are open source and run from home PCs. What are you talking about?

I’m going to only ask once:

Do you know how expensive running open source software is? Because I suspect that you don’t.

If you don’t think mega corporations aren’t going to use the legal system to monopolize on the software, mainly to crush competition, then I have a feeling you haven’t been alive long enough. I’m certain that large scale studios are going to do their very best to ruin it for everyone, because they are as greedy as they are ruthless.

All it’ll take is for someone to pass off AI generated content as being something genuine from a famous artist, then you’ll start seeing the copyright wars. You can use AI to make a fake Taylor Swift Album, and claim it’s from her, and make a profit. Don’t even have to declare it “satire/parody”. You can tell people it’s a genuine album and rip people off that way.

 

[MagneticTowels]

If you don’t think mega corporations aren’t going to use the legal system to monopolize on the software, mainly to crush competition, then I have a feeling you haven’t been alive long enough. I’m certain that large scale studios are going to do their very best to ruin it for everyone, because they are as greedy as they are ruthless.

Then why didn't they just crush all the open source software when it was first released?

 

[Norwegian Trailer Trash]

Then why didn't they just crush all the open source software when it was first released?

Because it's free research.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

several lawsuits are being filed against these companies every month for scraping their content to use in its data system

Didn't legal precedent just get set recently that scrapers are not infringing on anything? Besides, emulators have been able to stick around for this long despite some very large companies' best efforts. Arguably emulation presents a much more tangible case for infringement than AI does.

 

[Slurred]

Do you know how expensive running open source software is? Because I suspect that you don’t.

Not sure what you mean by this. A gaming PC can run most open source models, which exist for text, image and audio. It's expensive to train new models, I guess. But the point is that these models are out there right now, on hundreds of thousands of hard drives, being used by everyday people. There's no reversing that, regardless of what happens to the online services. GenAI could be banned tomorrow, OpenAI could go down, and I would still be able to generate text with my local Llama and Mistral models and images with my local Flux and SD models.

If you don’t think mega corporations aren’t going to use the legal system to monopolize on the software, mainly to crush competition, then I have a feeling you haven’t been alive long enough. I’m certain that large scale studios are going to do their very best to ruin it for everyone, because they are as greedy as they are ruthless.

This article [archive] makes a similar point, namely that if AI art seethers were to get their wish about copyright, this could lead to a world where big corps like Disney are the only ones able to use AI because they're the only ones who can pay the licensing fees. But again, they can't take my local models.

I agree that most online services currently subsidizing computation-heavy AI gens for non-paying users will not continue to do this indefinitely.

All it’ll take is for someone to pass off AI generated content as being something genuine from a famous artist, then you’ll start seeing the copyright wars. You can use AI to make a fake Taylor Swift Album, and claim it’s from her, and make a profit. Don’t even have to declare it “satire/parody”. You can tell people it’s a genuine album and rip people off that way.

You could do this without AI too, though it would require more effort. It's infringement whether you used AI or not and can be dealt with by the existing copyright regime.

 

[Runch]

Do you know how expensive running open source software is? Because I suspect that you don’t.

Yes. The price of a gaming PC plus the electricity to power it.

Are you legitimately unaware that you can run AI text/image/video/voice generation on any computer with a video card from within the past few generations? That in many cases, but especially for images, the results are as good or better than what you can get from paid services? Most AI stuff you see online is probably made from a local, open source install. It's free and easy to set up. Millions of people around the world already have it. There are repositories and backups of multiple versions of all of these models all over. It is far too ubiquitous and useful to suddenly disappear.

All it’ll take is for someone to pass off AI generated content as being something genuine from a famous artist, then you’ll start seeing the copyright wars.

This has happened and is happening constantly. Greg Rutkowski is extremely pissy about it. Karla Ortiz is suing over it. That's the most prominent case that's ongoing, and it will likely fail to prove its claims.

 

[MagneticTowels]

 

[Runch]

I like how that discussion keeps reiterating "fast, cheap, [exactly how he wants them]" (meaning good), and how that mirrors the old axiom "good, fast, cheap - pick two."

Anything that gives you all three is bound to be disruptive.

 

[linchan]

Another day another AI detection test. Let's see how well we can tell apart AI or human creation. (L/A)

Oh no

 

[La Flanaderia de Flan]

 

[Mr. Blerg]

Not sure how they can "crush" me running MLMs on my home computer.
Inb4 "they're going to gatekeep the newer more advanced version"
Then we're going to crack and pirate it. Always have, always will.

 

[Miss Violet Beauregarde]

The moment someone adds "bro" to anything I automatically discard everything they've said and assume they're retarded.

Not a single false-positive so far.

What if it was "sister" instead?

 

[x3firehexx]

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I've seen elementary schoolers make better drawings.
I've drawn sketches during class in the back of my notebook that are more complex and better looking than this.
A 10 year old with a dollar store pack of pencils can out-art you any day of the week.
This is hardly art. A kid can outdo you
The only two modern artists (one of which died, sadly) is Zdzislaw Beksinski and Bob ross

 

[Elite Kipchak]

preservetube

my favorite ai-log having a melty watching his profession get replaced in real time.
ALWAYS about the money. Why pay a studio to make an ad when you can just generate it? Why pay a someone to draw your degenerate fetishes when you can just generate them? time is a big factor too.

Spoiler: He wants you to pay him $100 for this btw (he's raised his prices since the last time I posted about him lol)

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

If you don’t think mega corporations aren’t going to use the legal system to monopolize on the software, mainly to crush competition, then I have a feeling you haven’t been alive long enough. I’m certain that large scale studios are going to do their very best to ruin it for everyone, because they are as greedy as they are ruthless.

Aaand they indeed are trying to ruin it for everyone. Civitai is going on a mega-witch hunt against AI-Generated Child Porn. Mind you, they don't just go after the blatantly illegal ones (where a realism model is used to create real child porn, this sucks). They'll go after you for doing things like generating Abigail Williams or Arona porn and uploading it to there, or if someone else has posted that sort of stuff in your model page even if you explicitly have no part over it. They even have a guardians section where people are rewarded with generation currency for snitching. The implication is that the credit card god emperor puritan pedo-hunters are out there interfering with the AI community like they did with Pixiv or Patreon, and they will go after almost anything with a subscription service, which most free on-site AI generators have.

And then you have PixAI, which basically killed all of their NSFW functionalities for their realistic because the credit card company god emperors are pissed off and Yodayo which basically destroyed their fanbase by literally banning all NSFW gens, until they dropped the idea (iirc I heard that the owner was also pro-NSFW in some form or way but forgot how).

The worst of these is Stability AI, who published the SD3 model... and then it does nothing other than creating horror game monsters because they are so puritan that they don't have a single NSFW image in their dataset so the AI no longer knows what a person even looks like!!

 

[Elite Kipchak]

Civitai is going on a mega-witch hunt against AI-Generated Child Porn. Mind you, they don't just go after the blatantly illegal ones (where a realism model is used to create real child porn, this sucks). They'll go after you for doing things like generating Abigail Williams or Arona porn and uploading it to there, or if someone else has posted that sort of stuff in your model page even if you explicitly have no part over it. They even have a guardians section where people are rewarded with generation currency for snitching. The implication is that the credit card god emperor puritan pedo-hunters are out there interfering with the AI community like they did with Pixiv or Patreon,

why is this a bad thing? should you be allowed to generate cp? should companies be allowed to profit from the generation of cp? should the totally-not-a-child 6 million year old dragon loli be allowed to be used as a loophole for pedos to generate their cp? Is restricting cp really "ruining it for everyone"?

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

why is this a bad thing? should you be allowed to generate cp? should companies be allowed to profit from the generation of cp? should the totally-not-a-child 6 million year old dragon loli be allowed to be used as a loophole for pedos to generate their cp? Is restricting cp really "ruining it for everyone"?

Thing is that they don't stop at CP and the things that need to be curated. There are LOTS of false positives, invisible tripwires and even blanket NSFW bans going on and Stability AI even made a clown of themselves over it with a "breakthrough model" that has no NSFW items inside its training data and prevents it from generating people to begin with, and those are the things that really ruin it for everyone.

If you want a comparison, it's the same way that Sony ruins fanservice games on the PlayStation and the credit card companies burn books overseas.

 

[linchan]

It occurred to me that amongst all this anger and vitriol towards AI, I have yet to see someone mention their concern to feed their family even once. When was the last time you saw one of these people mention the fact they have children that they need to take care of?

 

[The Thinking Abacus]

It occurred to me that amongst all this anger and vitriol towards AI, I have yet to see someone mention their concern to feed their family even once. When was the last time you saw one of these people mention the fact they have children that they need to take care of?

Do you really expect Twixxer artists, gooner furries, and TikTok 14 year olds to have children?