Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[The Ugly One]

Him exploiting getting his own ass kicked is exactly the sly shit one would expect from one of the most manipulative and cunning Sith ever.

Most writers are too stupid to think on this level.

 

[Male Idiot]

Especially when there are many writers.

This is a weakness of franchise media empires. Too many cooks spoil the entire kitchen.

Whenever it is Star Wars, Star Trek, Warhammer 40k or whatever. They get inconsistent, they add in their own pet takes/OCs (Hi John Grammaticus, Ashoka), they don't read what other writers did with the characters, or even worse, add their favourite shippings.

When it is one writer like LOTR or Dune, this isn't an issue. GoT season 8 went to shit when they went off script (there was no script) .

Every youtube media critic and Doomcock's pet turkey spelled out how the Acolyte looked like each episode was written separately, without reading what happened in the previous one.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

So it wasn't really one side being taitors. It was an ideological split, Jedi don't need to be the republic's cops by default.

That literally is their main job according to Kenobi in ANH. Early in the Republic's history, the Jedi swore fealty to them.

But my point is that something wasn't needed. Palpatine smartly exploiting his scarring vs just revealing his True and Honest Palpgender face is the same amount of manipulation.

But him turning getting wounded by Windu into pity points makes him more cunning. He rolled with the blow and came up on top because he is just that smart.

Him exploiting getting his own ass kicked is exactly the sly shit one would expect from one of the most manipulative and cunning Sith ever.

It gives a new reason as to why he has that face, and why quadrillions of people within the Empire adored and worshiped that face for a generation. It's the face of a man posing as a humble martyr, a victim of treachery, but also the face of a man who won't give up despite being personally attacked. And it fits well within his character.

It was a necessary explanation as to why the Empire put this wrinkled old fart's face on their monuments. Because it's not the kind of thing that a power-obsessed Empire would usually do; portraying their ruler as a feeble, ugly old man. Before the PT finished, I always wondered why they did that. Galactic Battlegrounds had Palpatine's palace and monuments bearing that statue with the wrinkled old face, and we saw a Palpatine statue get pulled down during the Special Edition ROTJ ending that came out in the late 90s. It never made sense to me why an Empire that wished to project an image of strength portrayed their ruler as a feeble old man........until the Prequels and their lore explained that it was his way of projecting a self-effacing martyr complex; of showing that he can be scarred, but his determination remained unshaken.

I don't think he knows about the webway boogaloo. Also forgets that the Horus Heresy happened without the marines knowing what Chaos is. After the heresy, they turn traitor rather rarely.

I wasn't talking about the Heresy. I was talking about pre-Imperium humanity that knew about Chaos and didn't fall to it. As opposed to the Marines who turned traitor rather quickly after realizing it exists, as you said.

As for the Jedi, they've known about the Dark Side for a long-ass time. They fought the Rakatans, for fuck's sake. Back when they used both sides of the Force. They've known about the Dark Side longer than the Republic's existence. And the Republic is 25,000 years old by the time of the Prequels. Yet still, most of them lived and died as loyal Republic goons. Comparing them to the Astartes is like comparing a loyal friend to a schizophrenic who's nuts half the time.

Whenever it is Star Wars, Star Trek, Warhammer 40k or whatever. They get inconsistent, they add in their own pet takes/OCs (Hi John Grammaticus, Ashoka), they don't read what other writers did with the characters, or even worse, add their favourite shippings.

Lucas-era Star Wars, UC Gundam, Mass Effect before 2012, and Bungie-era Halo proved otherwise. Lucas-era SW literally had guys whose only job was to keep canon consistent; Ahsoka was slated to die before the Disney sale. UC Gundam was consistent ever since 1979. Mass Effect lore was mostly consistent before the fuckery of the ME3 ending. And Bungie's Halo were also consistent with the lore before 343 Industries and Frank O'Connor fucked the lore in half with a chainsaw.

 

[Male Idiot]

y. I was talking about pre-Imperium humanity that knew about Chaos and didn't fall to it.

That's mostly fanon extrapolated from the Interex. There is zero evidence they knew about Chaos prior to the Age of Strife.

Empire adored and worshiped that face for a generation

I mean, it was their first Emperor, he didn't need to be handsome McChud.

Trump isn't a yaoi pretty boy either, neither Mao, and he is everywhere in CHYNA.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

That's mostly fanon extrapolated from the Interex. There is zero evidence they knew about Chaos prior to the Age of Strife.

Or is it? Again, all of 40K lore is technically fanon according to GW. And Dark Age humanity fell to their own machines, not Chaos. Even after the birth of Slaanesh.

I mean, it was their first Emperor, he didn't need to be handsome McChud.

Still, not the kind of thing a power-obsessed Empire would do, portraying their ruler as a feeble old man, unless there was a purpose.

Trump isn't a yaoi pretty boy either, neither Mao, and he is everywhere in CHYNA.

Neither of them are feeble old men with testicle-faces.

 

[starborn427614]

Season 3 of Visions has been announced, comes out next year.

https://x.com/starwars/status/1859108460463378435

 

[Gondolindrim]

This offends me in ways I cannot describe


It's literally a Star Wars isekai, that's why everything looks like Earth: Maximum self insertion.

 

[Male Idiot]

Or is it? Again, all of 40K lore is technically fanon according to GW. And Dark Age humanity fell to their own machines, not Chaos. Even after the birth of Slaanesh.


Still, not the kind of thing a power-obsessed Empire would do, portraying their ruler as a feeble old man, unless there was a purpose.


Neither of them are feeble old men with testicle-faces.

The first part is a cop out, and no, there is no established lore about them and Chaos. None. Zero. So far as we know they never widely interacted with Chaos, as they had way less psykers.

Again there is not really much to the theory. If you got a scarred old guy as your sovereign you still make statues of him, like Hungary had crippled and even a blinded king.

Just look at money in the US or outside of it, Benjamin Franklin is like a fat, old non trooned CWC.

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It's literally a Star Wars isekai, that's why everything looks like Earth: Maximum self insertion.

In old lore, wasn't such knowledge highly guarded?
Jedi certainly weren't big on letting people know about the Sith.

A rich businessman unearthing Sith stuff from black market auctions could work, but some randos who never even seen a jedi?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The first part is a cop out, and no, there is no established lore about them and Chaos. None. Zero. So far as we know they never widely interacted with Chaos, as they had way less psykers.

It's a cop out that GW uses to put in new lore, like Primaris Marines and female Custodes. And last I checked, Dark Age humanity came to power after Slaanesh was born. So either they were too powerful for Chaos to corrupt, to the point where they didn't even know it existed, or they knew about it but kept it under control.

Also, any proof on them having less psykers in the past?

Again there is not really much to the theory. If you got a scarred old guy as your sovereign you still make statues of him, like Hungary had crippled and even a blinded king.

Not quite. I mean, if your ruler looks like a feeble old man, that doesn't do much to project power, unless you're talking about inner strength, like strength of character. Which probably explains why some statues of other kings had no problems showing their flaws. "Why yes, I'm a cripple. I can still run this country better than you."

Just look at money in the US or outside of it, Benjamin Franklin is like a fat, old non trooned CWC.

He doesn't look like a boiled cow hemorrhoid, but a wise old man. Exactly the kind of guy you put on the dollar. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the New Republic put Kenobi and Yoda's faces on the money.

In old lore, wasn't such knowledge highly guarded?
Jedi certainly weren't big on letting people know about the Sith.

They fought against the Dark Side and constantly warned their acolytes about it. Never was there a time where they ignored its existence. In the ancient times, they used both sides, in the more modern times, they cast one side as good and the other as bad.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

This is a weakness of franchise media empires. Too many cooks spoil the entire kitchen.

Alternatively; "hey you're an indie director who made a good horror movie. Wanna make a 3 part star wars horror movie?". Copy paste with other one-trick directors. All things considered, Geige has one fucking artistic vision and it's the xenomorphs. They made an entire IP off of it, but you can't imagine him aiding any other movie and not immediately just being like "Oh yeah that's discount xenomorphs".

3x 50 min heist series. 6 x 30 mins goonies skeleton crew. But no, they want 5 seasons of 12 hours each.

 

[Weltraumfürst]

This offends me in ways I cannot describe

I don't see a problem with this.

 

[Ghostse]

Just look at money in the US or outside of it, Benjamin Franklin is like a fat, old non trooned CWC.

You take that back. B. Frank was a smooth pimp who loved the pussy.
A protocoomer, yes. But he had social skills (and a granny fetish)

 

[Judge Holden]

This offends me in ways I cannot describe
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It's literally a Star Wars isekai, that's why everything looks like Earth: Maximum self insertion.

From the looks of it, this aint exactly the case although thats not really any comfort.

Basically it seems to be a rehash of what they were going for with Rey to quote someone with a very large and bulbous cock

Thing about Rey that makes her doomed from the start, even if you replaced Ridley with someone of actual talent and screen presence, and hell even if you strip out the dumb SJW shit, is that the character was conceived from the getgo as a cringy as fuck "metaphor for the lonely Star Wars fans" by KK.

This is why her entire fucking character is just a flat "Oh I heard all the stories about the original trilogy and and and I want to find my place in this universe and stuff" and is why her whole "journey" reads like a fucking on-rails theme park ride where she is shunted through the "classic" scenes and meets and is immediately and unquestioningly embraced by classic characters like she is a fucking 4 year old meeting Disneyland mascots.

And like any number of "cinematic audience participation" style rides, as she is quickly sped through nostalgia bait scene after nostalgia bait scene, she automatically gains all needed experience and skill and magical powers to progress the ride along without effort or question, eventually culminating in her finding out that her place in this universe is achtcully at its very heart and that she is infact its future....which would correspond to the end of the proverbial ride when the announcer congratulates the visitor on being the bestest and greatest hero he ever saw and snapping an overpriced photo with the cast and the caption of "Best Jedi Ever".

The whole "Muh inspiration" shit was something TLJ was drenched in due in equal parts this retarded angle, the whole "stories and inspiration are super duper important guiz" thematic fad in media at the time, and Rian Johnson's personal fart huffing about deconstructing and subverting luke as "the hero" due to his own personal autism and weirdass grudge against fans speculating what cool and interesting shit might be revealed in TLJ (back in a so much more fucking naive age) and while it seemed to have died screaming with the death of the sequel line the quote you linked makes it look like they are rezzing it because fuck you.

 

[Ghostse]

Rian Johnson's personal fart huffing about deconstructing and subverting luke as "the hero" due to his own personal autism and weirdass grudge against fans speculating what cool and interesting shit might be revealed in TLJ

I also believe, given Ruin's fart huffing and critic wife, that he knew JJ was a hack and purposely and publicly smashed every one of his absolutely retarded mystery boxes so everyone would be able to see that he was a worthless hack. And that KKK was so checked out and flicking her bean to Reyrey that he knew he could get away with it because there was no plan and no one stopping him from shitting in JJ's cheerios that hard.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You take that back. B. Frank was a smooth pimp who loved the pussy.
A protocoomer, yes. But he had social skills (and a granny fetish)

The man was a pussy magnet back in the day. He was the talk of the town in France.

I also believe, given Ruin's fart huffing and critic wife, that he knew JJ was a hack and purposely and publicly smashed every one of his absolutely retarded mystery boxes so everyone would be able to see that he was a worthless hack. And that KKK was so checked out and flicking her bean to Reyrey that he knew he could get away with it because there was no plan and no one stopping him from shitting in JJ's cheerios that hard.

It would be funny if Rian was a secret fan of the old Star Wars, and seeing as how Disney wiped away the canon to just create a hollow facsimile of ANH, he decided to go full turbo in ruining JJ's planned trilogy to throw a monkey wrench into the plans.

 

[Ghostse]

The man was a pussy magnet back in the day. He was the talk of the town in France.

@Male Idiot only wishes he could fuck so good he's able to get a country to send their navy to support his cause.

It would be funny if Rian was a secret fan of the old Star Wars

No. Very clearly no.
He's just an entitled fart-huffing movie elitist, so there is actually decent odds that JJ's "Mystery Box" TED talk offended him on a personal level. He also knew that if he delivered on any themes from TFA, JJ would get/take the credit. Which is why he completely stomped on anything JJ had set up and then dropped a steaming deuce on the pieces as I imagine JJ screamed and raged in the background

Rey's Parentage: Doesn't matter, nobodies (Nooo she was a heckin' based palpatine!)
Phasma: Throw the metal jew down the well (Nooo my trilogy spanning antagonist and Finns backstory)
Snoke: chopped liver (Noooo my mysterious emperor proxy, can't you see he coudl have such cool mysterious origins to explore noooo)
etc.

I can only assume it was personal. The only thing that he can't take credit for is Cocaine & Heroin subverting KKK's plans for girl power bullshit with Leia.

 

[The Paleblood Vessel]

Season 3 of Visions has been announced, comes out next year.

https://x.com/starwars/status/1859108460463378435

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Still waiting on a continuation of The Ninth Jedi that won't be horrible.

I also believe, given Ruin's fart huffing and critic wife, that he knew JJ was a hack and purposely and publicly smashed every one of his absolutely retarded mystery boxes so everyone would be able to see that he was a worthless hack. And that KKK was so checked out and flicking her bean to Reyrey that he knew he could get away with it because there was no plan and no one stopping him from shitting in JJ's cheerios that hard.

This is the theory I have long since subscribed to, but I feel like it's possible to actually make a good movie while simultaneously showing how much of a fucking hack your predecessor is. The worst shit in Last Jedi is completely detached from JJ's retarded mystery boxes that were lit on fire, so we end up with something that somehow manages to be even worse than the shitty mystery box movie.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

He's just an entitled fart-huffing movie elitist, so there is actually decent odds that JJ's "Mystery Box" TED talk offended him on a personal level. He also knew that if he delivered on any themes from TFA, JJ would get/take the credit. Which is why he completely stomped on anything JJ had set up and then dropped a steaming deuce on the pieces as I imagine JJ screamed and raged in the background

The thing is, everything Rian did fucked JJ's story in the ass so perfectly, it's hard to think this was anything other than an act of sabotage on purpose.

Rey's Parentage: Doesn't matter, nobodies (Nooo she was a heckin' based palpatine!)
Phasma: Throw the metal jew down the well (Nooo my trilogy spanning antagonist and Finns backstory)
Snoke: chopped liver (Noooo my mysterious emperor proxy, can't you see he coudl have such cool mysterious origins to explore noooo)
etc.

Literally, every point JJ built up with TFA as a mystery, Rian fucked it in the ass and made it a joke. The only thing he had consistent with JJ and TFA was the girl power angle and making the older heroes look like a joke. Otherwise, TLJ was the exact opposite of TFA.

It's not the same thing with the other trilogies. ESB continued the story logically from ANH where the Empire still controls the galaxy, so they strike back, and it expanded on the Jedi lore and the Skywalker family. AOTC was a tad bit more adult than TPM, but it followed the theme of a civilization in decline waiting to pop like a balloon into full-scale conflict. Meanwhile, almost everything TFA set up outside of MaRey Sue being better than the previous heroes got utterly demolished. The new villain was made inconsequential, the new Stormtrooper character was dealt with, and the mystery of Rey's parentage was tossed aside.

No wonder JJ tried to undo TLJ with ROS. Even if TLJ was well-received by fans, it still shat all over everything JJ set up.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Season 3 of Visions has been announced, comes out next year.

https://x.com/starwars/status/1859108460463378435

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That's bold considering no one gave a shit about season 2. The novelty wore off pretty quickly.

 

[Male Idiot]

And last I checked, Dark Age humanity came to power after Slaanesh was born

No. DaoT was over before Slaanesh's birth. Slaanesh's incubation started the Age of Strife, and its birth ended it.
M1-15 Age of Terra: pre ftl humans.
M15-25 Dark Age of Technology
M25-30 Age of Strife / Fall of the Eldar
This is where Slaanesh began, the Great Crusade was launched right after it was born.

Also, any proof on them having less psykers in the past?

The whole lore on the Age of Strife, which was a combination of psyker emergence and butlerian jihad. The first wave of psykers emerged right at the M25 point, and they were only persecuted on backwaters. Later only these planets avoided getting demonic incursions.

They fought against the Dark Side and constantly warned their acolytes about it. Never was there a time where they ignored its existence. In the ancient times, they used both sides, in the more modern times, they cast one side as good and the other as bad.

I meant that for commoners per the disney show. Would the Jedi be letting Janitor Billy and mine overseer Bob know about the Sith? I obviously didn't mean their own fellow Jedi. I even read somewhere that Korriban's coordinates were erased from civilian maps like Kamino.