Roiders are trans adjacent; this is why we have the term "Roidtranny". They treat themselves like labrats combining a slew of chemicals like dianabol, HGH, trenbalone, and testosterone, to name a few. There are also a few good videos and stories that document on how trenmassively fucks with sexuality, namely by MPMD.
Well, that, and he got caught photoshopping photos of children he knew IRL and writing erotic fantasies about them, but no one besides me remembers that. J. Edgar Hoover?
I hadn't thought of JEH in years until this moment. It feels like he used to be much more common in media as a joke. And now I wonder why the troons haven't reclaimed him as one of their own!
I mean:
He had amassive porn addiction
He was sexually repressed
He (probably literally) got off on cancelling people
He was gay but couldn't bring himself to admit it
He hated women
Honestly, given his track record, J Edgar Hoover should be the patron saint of trannies!
Roiders are trans adjacent; this is why we have the term "Roidtranny". They treat themselves like labrats combining a slew of chemicals like dianabol, HGH, trenbalone, and testosterone, to name a few. There are also a few good videos and stories that document on how trenmassively fucks with sexuality, namely by MPMD.
Yeah that's pretty much my thought on it. Like when you are bored of steroids and you want to go on the next body transformation this can certainly be one of them.
I mean, maybe this is just me, and maybe this is a really stupid take, but the ugliness displayed in this thread is really just because the individuals involved are clearly flaunting their obvious perversions, pornsickness, poor life decisions and untreated mental illnesses.
That's what's making them ugly. They're ugly because they're rotten on the inside and we can all tell.
Both of those photos were probably framed in such a way as to maximise masculinity and femininity, respectively. He probably didn’t eat for hours or some similar nonsense for the bodybuilder photo, for example, and then he used breast forms and clever angles for the second. He clearly has experience in staging photoshoots.
And that’s assuming the photos aren’t doctored after the fact, which they probably were to some degree. Even if it’s something as minor as a filter, it changes your perception of the subject. My point is that both photos are probably not representative of him at any stage in life. They’re both lies, so you shouldn’t be shocked by the disparity.
With that said, yes, troon abuse of cross-sex hormones does cause changes to musculature. It’s why pooners who take T go on to dominate in women’s leagues but still lack the physical capacity to play in the ones for men. It’s why trannies will insist that they’re not cheaters when they inflict themselves upon women’s sports. They really do think hormones change sex in some capacity, or that hormones are one of several mutable components of sex. Neither of these ideas are scientific, mind you.
What they don’t seem to get is that just because the ‘roids (and they are ‘roids) change them, it doesn’t change the people around them. That is, just because a tranny can’t do as many push-ups as he did before trooning out doesn’t mean he has no male advantage. The women around him still perform significantly less well on physical tests. Nevertheless, the tranny ignores these specifics and concludes that him being weaker than his normal male self is the same as being a woman. They really do think women are discount men. Linked study is archived below under Roberts et al.
It’s because accepting he’s an autogynephile stops him from cooming (since it means he’s a man). It’s all motivated reasoning. Dr. Lawrence discusses this in Men Trapped in Men’s Bodies, which I archived in my first post to this thread.
Dr. “Anne” Lawrence said:
At the same time, [the typical autogynephile] knows that he is not naturally feminine. When he considers the adjectives that describe the women he habitually falls in love with—agreeable, affiliative, cooperative, empathetic, gentle, graceful, nurturant, pliant, tactful, tender - he realizes that most of these adjectives do not describe him. He tends to be competitive, dominant, independent, linear, logical, and tough-minded. He might wish he were more feminine, but his personality is not naturally feminine. When he is honest with himself, he also realizes that he never falls in love with men and only feels attracted to men when he is in the midst of an autogynephilic reverie. He has cross-dressed for years and still does at times, but he finds that it offers him limited satisfaction: Even wearing sexy women’s attire, he still inhabits his unwanted male body and still has his ugly, embarrassing male genitalia. Falling in love with a woman or having sex with a woman sometimes makes his autogynephilic desires go into remission for a time, but these remissions are always temporary: His autogynephilic feelings always return. And every time he has an orgasm, he is reminded of two facts: Having a woman’s body is the most erotic thing he can imagine - and he doesn’t have one…
Probably it is also easier for an autogynephilic gender dysphoric man to pursue sex reassignment if he doesn’t believe in the concept of autogynephilia - or, more accurately, if he holds one or more explanatory beliefs that make his autogynephilic arousal or the autogynephilic underpinnings of his wish for sex reassignment seem more conventional or acceptable. These beliefs function to reassure him and others that his autogynephilic erotic desire to have a woman’s body isn’t the whole story - and isn’t even an important part of the story. What kinds of explanatory beliefs might be reassuring in this way?
One such belief would be that he really has a “woman’s brain” in his male body. Another would be that autogynephilia is not a paraphilia at all but merely a normal element of female sexuality. Yet another would be that he really had been destined to be attracted to men all along, but that his natural inclinations were suppressed by social conditioning and homophobia. Still another would be that the cross-gender fantasies that he found so exciting earlier in life no longer hold any erotic interest for him, but were merely a temporary mechanism for coping with his gender dysphoria. A final such belief would be that autogynephilia is merely an effect of his cross-gender identification, not the cause of that identification.
Personally, I consider such explanatory beliefs to be implausible at best, but I understand their appeal. I remember looking carefully at an MRI scan of my own brain in 1995, hoping to find a feature I could declare to be female-typical—at that time, the splenium of the corpus callosum was still a focus of interest (see Emory, Williams, Cole, Amparo, & Meyer, 1991) - and therefore use to justify my desire for sex reassignment. I also remember with chagrin a few weeks during which I tried to convince my therapist and myself that I was actually sexually attracted to men. Explanatory beliefs of this kind function to justify or excuse the autogynephilic erotic desire that both animates and seems to discredit our wish to be women. These explanations make us seem to more closely resemble the “classic” MtF transsexual stereotype [editor’s note: he means the HSTS]: feminine from earliest childhood, never sexually aroused by women’s apparel, and romantically inclined toward men. If we embrace these explanatory beliefs, we can say to ourselves and others, “It may be true that I have experienced autogynephilic erotic arousal, but I have other characteristics that make me a recognizable and somewhat more acceptable kind of MtF transsexual: I have a woman’s brain / only get aroused the same way natal women do / was meant to be attracted to men / no longer experience (much) autogynephilic arousal / had a cross-gender identity that preceded my autogynephilic arousal.” In my clinical practice, I rarely see an autogynephilic gender dysphoric man—whether he identifies as autogynephilic or not—who has decided to pursue SRS and doesn’t hold one or more explanatory beliefs of this kind. As the narratives in Chap. 10 demonstrate, even MtF transsexuals who clearly recognize themselves to be autogynephilic often hold these beliefs.
I’m not ordinarily an advocate for self-deception, but [editor’s note: lol] if explanatory beliefs like these make it easier for autogynephilic men who are good candidates for sex reassignment to move forward, I’m willing to condone them.
Links are my own examples of males devaluing autogynephilia to maintain their own egoes. Emphasis my own. From pages 207-208.
Gotta love him admitting that he’s a deluded man and that he’s okay with encouraging delusion in others at the end. Lol, lmao even.
That’s partly why I consider a spouse (or even a long-term boyfriend or girlfriend) trooning out to be abusive, inherently. It traumatizes the other partner. “How could I love and trust someone who could do something this horrible to me / our children?”
He’s either (1) a gay man who likes to top and thinks fucking a bigger faggot than himself makes him not gay; (2) a bisexual man who likes to top and thinks fucking a bigger faggot than himself / a woman sometimes makes him not gay; (3) an autogynephile himself rearing up to troon out; or (4) some combination of the above.
I found out when I was maybe 25. My mom was out of town and I walked in on [Bruce] all dressed up … as a woman in the garage at my mom’s house. I ran inside, packed a bag so fast, shaking, and ran out and called [my sister] Kourtney. I said, ‘I have to come spend the weekend with you.’ I was hysterically crying[.]
It was Bruce then and he called me and said "One day I will sit down and explain all this to you but until then please do not tell a soul and do not tell your mother she will kill me." [And] I thought, "Okay, if I tell [my mom] I’m going to break up their marriage and my little sisters aren't going to have their dad around, so I better keep my mouth shut”, [so] I didn’t say a word.
Wayback Machine wouldn’t let me archive this, so here’s another source saying the same thing. I was able to archive that. Emphasis is my own.
You see him suicide / death baiting her in that clip? He’s a child molester, he’s abusive, he’s a pervert, he’s a murderer, and in any decent society he’d be lynched. But, we live in Hell, so he hangs out with the former and future president now. Even though said future president promised the American people that he’d fucking axe this shit.
I mean, the comparison makes sense. They both abuse steroids / exogenous hormones. They both think that science / Google endows them with medical-school-grade knowledge. They’re both hyper-fixated on their appearance and modulating how others react to them. They’re both so psychotically entitled that they expose the people around them to carcinogenic and teratogenic T-gels and other nonsense.
It’s not unlike how gay men are more likely to be anorexic and, oh gee golly whiz, “straight transwomen” also have this issue. Same with pooners, who are basically the same cohort of girls who would have been anorexic and bulimic twenty years ago. And who, several centuries ago, would have had anorexia mirabilis. Here’s a fun quote fromHontraPoints that essentially confirms this:
William Nicholas Parrott said:
In early adolescence I was misdiagnosed with OCD, the primary symptoms being spending too much time in the shower and spending too much time styling my hair.
Emphasis my own.
For people attempting to uncover their “authentic selves”, they sure spend a freakish amount of time preening themselves, and managing their affect.
I hadn't thought of JEH in years until this moment. It feels like he used to be much more common in media as a joke. And now I wonder why the troons haven't reclaimed him as one of their own!
I mean:
He had amassive porn addiction
He was sexually repressed
He (probably literally) got off on cancelling people
He was gay but couldn't bring himself to admit it
He hated women
Honestly, given his track record, J Edgar Hoover should be the patron saint of trannies!
If you build it, I will come - but not in the J. Edgar Hoover way, because I have self-respect. I meant “come” as in “come and shitpost”.
Anyway, most trannies are unaware of Hoover. I know HontraPoints made a joke about him (but I cannot remember the video). Like Ed Gein, the real transsexuals of history are forgotten while they appropriate historical figures like Jeanne D’Arc. They seem much more proud of Ted K., as far as deranged lunatic crossdressers go.
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Roberts et al. - Effect of gender affirming hormones on athletic performance in transwomen and...pdf
Both of those photos were probably framed in such a way as to maximise masculinity and femininity, respectively. He probably didn’t eat for hours or some similar nonsense for the bodybuilder photo, for example, and then he used breast forms and clever angles for the second. He clearly has experience in staging photoshoots.
Yeah you can still see the muscle, especially in the glutes. He still has huge shoulders too. 3 years is a lot of time to make muscle disappear and I think especially if they come from steroids that they'll go faster when you're not on steroids, especially if you start taking anti-androgens too.
Most of these men were never really "chad" by nature, they seem to either have been on TRT, steroids or some other synthetic hormone. It reminds me of Castrato singers, tall and were "prefered in bed" due to they couldn't have kids (+ social status). I suspect that their balls never worked properly, so they either started taking stuff to become more "manly" and eventually just trooned out when it wore out, or they just trooned out directly because they were already so feminized to no return. Either they where born with hormone/testicle defects or the steroids fucked up their testicles (maybe even both).
Most of these men were never really "chad" by nature, they seem to either have been on TRT, steroids or some other synthetic hormone. It reminds me of Castrato singers, tall and were "prefered in bed" due to they couldn't have kids. I suspect that their balls never worked properly, so they either started taking stuff to become more "manly" and eventually just trooned out when it wore out, or they trooned out directly. Either they where born with hormone/testicle defects or the steroids fucked up their testicles (maybe even both).
Normally HSTS Transexuals are like Blaire White they're gay and they Troon early and they're more like the old type of Tranny where they're crippled with body dysmorphia. Be very rare for an HSTS to marry a woman, maybe if they were trying to fight it, but it just doesn't fit. I guess there's always outliers, but this roid dude is pure AGP, standard roid head to Troon progession.
Bruce fucking Trooned out just after he killed that woman and I've always seen that as one of the first uses of the "Troon Shield" that Trannies would use, relying on the ideologically compromised media to protect them.
Males with klinefelters (XXY) seem to troon out for similar reasons despite being 6 foot 2 on average
Like this guy who tried to own JK rowlingView attachment 6673028
Which mosaicism is he talking about I wonder? Not that it matters because you literally require male chromosomes to have Klinefelters and honestly I hardly see how it is relevant at all outside of being an excuse.
It’s not unlike how gay men are more likely to be anorexic and, oh gee golly whiz, “straight transwomen” also have this issue. Same with pooners, who are basically the same cohort of girls who would have been anorexic and bulimic twenty years ago. And who, several centuries ago, would have had anorexia mirabilis.
I remember hearing on an episode of Heretics, the detransitioner Charlie Bentley Astor mentioning that there is a chart on Google Trends, which shows a sharp decline in 'pro-ana' related searches at around about the same time as there was a sharp uptick in 'trans man' related searches.
You've heard of a smoking gun - that's a smoking bazooka, if you ask me.
Jasper Lestat not only was a cute chick with big boobs, showing off her boobs to simps was her job. She had a "girl"friend who was a greasy looking Indian AGP who she would do porn with. She seems to have largely removed herself from the Internet since throwing away her source of income.
I don’t think anyone here is really arguing that they were “Chad”, though. The main argument seems to be that some troons were hot or had the potential to be hot, and then fucked it up through cosmetic surgery. There seems to be a trend where people who are cute because of their sexually dimorphic features LARP as the opposite sex, and turn into cartoon characters (and not in the way they think).
You’re triggering my autism. Yes, some troons are like castrati. No, it’s not the ones we’re discussing here. It’s troons like Jazz Jennings, who actually demonstrates the castrati range (if not the technical skill and timbre). Castrati were abused children, just like today’s modern “trans kids”.
Castrati were regularly lied to and manipulated. The Catholic Church knew that mutilating the genitals and endocrine system of Catholic school boys was “bad optics”, as the kids say, so they banned the practice. But, because troons are slimy bureaucrats in every incarnation, the common work-around was to say that the boy was castrated for medical reasons. All sorts of nonsense (nonce-sense?) was contrived, mainly involving boys falling off horses and therefore needing their balls removed.
Now, today, we get around rules prohibiting the mutilation of children by convoluting a psychological medical excuse. The boys have feelings-cancer, as the TERFs say. …Feelings-falling-off-horse-cancer? Either way, they made up reasons for doing what they want to do which is castrate younger males.
And, just like with trans-kids, the parents who sold their kids to the Church were also scumbags. Part of the reason why the Church made up that rule (prohibiting the castration of boys to make castrati) was because randos were attempting it and fucking up. Just because you stunt a boy’s voice doesn’t mean he magically becomes a good singer. He can hit high notes, sure, and sounds different than a woman or girl, but that’s still not musicality. Peasants hoping to cash-in on their tuneless sons got a rude awakening when the Church declared they weren’t interested.
Oftentimes what they would do was find a boy who could already sing, and then castrate him. They would tell the boy he would make tons of money and score tons of pussy. They would tell these boys that they would be able to have sex with their penises, but would be unable to impregnate a woman. Considering how these were probably prepubescent boys who found the prospect of fatherhood understandably daunting, this had inherent appeal for them.
Like modern day “trans kids”, the boys groomed into acquiescing to being castrati were lied to about their future sexual functioning. Yeah, people wanted to fuck castrati, but castrati (and real-life troons on HRT) have sexual dysfunction definitionally. One’s dick does not get hard without one’s balls.
Basically, top-hat me. I hate to see adults who chose this shit voluntarily compared to the historical predecessors of their modern-day victims. You probably meant nothing by it, but I’m mad. I’m tired of little kids being bullied by grown-ups into slashing up their junk.
Uh… what? Yeah, sure, you have the Pad Gardner types, but most of them were aggressive porn addicts before trooning out. Many fathered children, tragically. Several were top athletes and ex-military.
Rather than having intersex disorders, most trannies are genetically normal and lie about being intersex. Look at Tommy Tooter. Or a paper called Pretence of a Paradox. Troons love pretending they have something wrong with their balls because they think it puts them into some middle-ground between man and woman. Except they’re all men and all so-called intersex people have binary sexes as well. Like with womanhood itself, troons emulate things without understanding them because they’re stupid and pornsick. Basically, you’re flattering these fucks.
I could see a dude with a disorder of sexual development having troon-like pathology and self-medicating with testosterone supplements. My issue is that I don’t think most troons are like this, and even the ones who are (ex. Pad Gardner) are 100% male. They want to have these disorders because they think it makes them “not-men” (their definition of woman), whereas the hypothetical Kleinfelter’s gymrat does not.
You’d think literally having a disorder of the sex chromosomes would give them some insight into how sex works, but Kleinfelter’s trannies have less insight into their chromosomal disorder than dudes with Down’s Syndrome. That dude you posted seems a bit aggro, lol.
I remember hearing on an episode of Heretics, the detransitioner Charlie Bentley Astor mentioning that there is a chart on Google Trends, which shows a sharp decline in 'pro-ana' related searches at around about the same time as there was a sharp uptick in 'trans man' related searches.
You've heard of a smoking gun - that's a smoking bazooka, if you ask me.
Very good point! I didn’t hear that specific episode or of that person, but I believe (allias) Angus Fox made this argument as well. I think the host of Heretics, Andrew Gold, who travelled to S. America, made some comparisons between the eating disordered, pooners, and girls who think they’re possessed. There’s clearly something about girls that age, which is funny, given that one manifestation of being a girl that age is pretending to not be a girl at all.
It’s sort of mirrors how much AGPs hate autogynephilia as a theory - it proves they’re men and that their obsession with womanhood is fundamentally male. Pooners hate the Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria theory because social contagions are exactly the sort of thing stupid little girls fall for. Young ladies with any sort of masculine virtue would be too independent to fall for this zippertit foolishness.
I would love to go back into academia and study this stuff. Maybe even do some stuff on distribution (because I swear to God this stuff is more prominent in the suburbs). Unfortunately, I live in a woke hellscape. I could handle being hated, but I don’t think I can handle funding my own research. Alas. Alack.
Silly billy, it wasn’t the “troon defence”. It certainly wasn’t the “Prince Andrew distributing stories about Meghan Markle being a cunt to distract from him being a child rapist defence” AKA dazzle camouflage. It certainly isn’t a sadistic MANifestation of his hatred for his victim, his absorbing her persona into himself. It’s just ‘cause Heaven gained a lady and so Bruce wanted to give Earth a lady in return. He’s an agent of God, you see.
Knoll & Hazelwood 2008 said:
Interestingly, self-other boundary disturbances have been described in at least one case report of a sadomasochistic murderer (Claus & Lidberg, 2003). For individuals with severe psychopathology, it has been hypothesized that a withdrawal into omnipotent fantasy does not follow the rules of normal mental functioning (De Masi, 2006). For example, masochistic fantasies reported by patients have been described as having an "interchangeability of roles between subject and object," (Grossman, 1986). Such interchangeability could be argued as indicative of a fragile identity, in which the boundaries between sadism and masochism are fluid and ill defined (Ross, 1997).
In a study of 20 sexually sadistic serial murderers, five of them demonstrated paraphilic activities including transvestism (Warren et al., 1996). In addition, over half reported homosexual experiences.
These findings led to the clinical hypothesis that these subjects were polymorphous (or variable) in their perversity, which may suggest an underlying disorganization of sexual development…
During the period of time that he was carrying out his offenses, [Dennis] Rader appeared to enjoy communicating with the media, writing anonymous letters to a Kansas TV station. One letter stated that "no one in Kansas is safe because I am omnipresent." After his arrest, a large volume of materials were seized which documented his sexual fantasies, interests, and crimes. Among those materials were postmortem photographs he had taken of two of his victims along with items of clothing belonging to each of them. Also recovered were photographs of Rader in bondage and cross-dressed in his victim's clothing. Analysis of the photos of Rader and his victims revealed striking similarities…
In one of the photographs, the victim is lying nude on her back with her ankles and wrists bound. In two other photos, she is in a semi-sitting position with her back against a wall partition. Rader had placed a bra on her and she was bound at the ankles, calves, and above the knees. Her wrists were positioned behind her back, suggesting that they were bound. A black cloth was wrapped around the lower part of her face. Law enforcement recovered a photo Rader had taken of himself almost 4 and 1/2 years later (Rader had dated the photo himself). The photo showed Rader in his mother's basement wearing lingerie. He was standing up with his back against a wall, bound at the ankles, calves, and above the knees. His wrists were behind his back, suggesting that they were bound. He was wearing a black cloth over the lower part of his face.
In another Rader photograph, victim A was lying on her right side with her head resting on a pillow and a black cloth covering the lower portion of her face. Her wrists were behind her back, and her knees were drawn up in a fetal-like position with a black cloth tied above her knees. Approximately 5 1/2 years later, Rader photographed himself lying on his right side, wearing a bra and a decorative mask with a cloth item covering the lower portion of his face. His head was resting on a white pillow. His wrists were behind his back, and his knees were drawn up in a fetal-like position with a white cloth item tied above his knees…
[Victim B’s] body was found 13 days later beneath a bridge several miles from her home. A decorative mask with painted black eyebrows, eye lashes, and red painted lips was found near the body. Rader took several photographs of victim B after he had murdered her. One photo is of victim B lying on her back with her arms bound behind her back. Her face was covered by the decorative wall mask. After murdering victim B, Rader photographed himself lying on his back in a grave that he later told authorities he had dug for her, but did not use. The photo shows Rader with his hands behind his back, and fresh dirt covering the lower half of his body. Having left his favorite mask for authorities to find with victim B, the photo shows Rader wearing a different decorative mask with black tape covering the mouth. Photographs of Rader wearing the first mask prior to the murder of victim B were later found by police. Upon questioning, Rader told police that he missed the first mask, and had regretted leaving it behind. Another Rader photo shows him at his parent's basement when they were not at home. In the photo, Rader was wearing victim B's clothing (Wenzl et al., 2007)…
There are a number of potentially overlapping hypotheses that might explain why some serial sexual murderers would enact the roles of both victim and torturer. These include: 1) trauma-related theories, 2) cognitive distortion - implicit theories, 3) the substitute victim hypothesis, 4) the vicarious enhancement hypothesis, 5) the addictive tolerance model, and 6) the grandiose sadism hypothesis.
• The grandiose sadism hypothesis suggests that some rare offenders assume the identity of the victim to extend their control over the victim beyond life and death.
• This type of grandiose control provides the offender with a Godlike sense of power, as a result of an omnipotent fusion of torturer and victim. The offender is able to control and experience gratification from both sides of the power differential, permitted by his fluid boundaries between self and other.
Emphasis my own. Source archived below as an attachment, albeit with the wrong year.
Which is just a fancy way of saying “erotic target location error”, AKA the disorder beneath autogynephilia. And isn’t this what we see with the whole “femdom” or “mommydom” thing? I wonder if Bruce ever dressed up like the woman he killed, or looked her up on Facebook while dressed in his favourite pink women’s driving suit. Probably.
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Knoll & Hazelwood - Becoming the victim (2004).pdf
Just because you stunt a boy’s voice doesn’t mean he magically becomes a good singer. He can hit high notes, sure, and sounds different than a woman or girl, but that’s still not musicality. Peasants hoping to cash-in on their tuneless sons got a rude awakening when the Church declared they weren’t interested.
They would tell the boy he would make tons of money and score tons of pussy. They would tell these boys that they would be able to have sex with their penises, but would be unable to impregnate a woman. Considering how these were probably prepubescent boys who found the prospect of fatherhood understandably daunting, this had inherent appeal for them.
A majority of people under the age of 30 have been sucked into the antinatalist/depopulation and "population replacement" agenda. So it makes sense that most young people don't really give a shit about becoming a parent. Girls today take pills to not become parents, so this "mentality" of not having a family is very ingrained in peoples head and even language from an early age. If you tell someone to troon out, they more likely to do it due to this mentality.
Basically, top-hat me. I hate to see adults who chose this shit voluntarily compared to the historical predecessors of their modern-day victims. You probably meant nothing by it, but I’m mad. I’m tired of little kids being bullied by grown-ups into slashing up their junk. 
