Weight loss support thread

[Iron Jaguar]

Can I switch my diet to a mainly soup based one? For the context I'm not a fat fuck but I NEED to lose 15-25 lbs

Sure....if the soup is mainly fatty meat and a few low carb vegetables. No potatoes or corn or sweet potato or rice.
A high fat/low carb/moderate protein diet will leave you satiated for longer than any other diet and you will lose weight if you do it with an 8/16 eating/fasting window. Try it for a couple of weeks and see what happens.

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

Well fuck, @Iron Jaguar, you were right. My diabetes medicine works by lowering insulin sensitivity and stimulating insulin production. Insulin is, of course, the fat gaining hormone. No wonder I'm so fucking frustrated. It also greatly increases my risk of bladder cancer and congestive heart failure. Fuck that.

I took another look at the medication classifications in Dr Fung's The Diabetes Code. I'm going to ask my doctor about acarbose instead. It blocks complex carbs from breaking down into glucose, and greatly reduces cardiovascular disease risks. Fung describes it as a low carb diet in a pill. I think that medication along with fasting and an actual low carb diet will do the trick and let me start losing weight again.

Thanks for the kick in the pants to look that up.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Sure....if the soup is mainly fatty meat and a few low carb vegetables. No potatoes or corn or sweet potato or rice.
A high fat/low carb/moderate protein diet will leave you satiated for longer than any other diet and you will lose weight if you do it with an 8/16 eating/fasting window. Try it for a couple of weeks and see what happens.

Is canned soup safe? like chicken noodle and veggie?

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Well fuck, @Iron Jaguar, you were right. My diabetes medicine works by lowering insulin sensitivity and stimulating insulin production. Insulin is, of course, the fat gaining hormone. No wonder I'm so fucking frustrated. It also greatly increases my risk of bladder cancer and congestive heart failure. Fuck that.

I took another look at the medication classifications in Dr Fung's The Diabetes Code. I'm going to ask my doctor about acarbose instead. It blocks complex carbs from breaking down into glucose, and greatly reduces cardiovascular disease risks. Fung describes it as a low carb diet in a pill. I think that medication along with fasting and an actual low carb diet will do the trick and let me start losing weight again.

Thanks for the kick in the pants to look that up.

You're welcome, Fren.
The long term aim should be to completely eliminate your need for diabetes medication at all. How do you do that? - Eliminate the cause of your diabetes. How do you do that? - Eliminate carbohydrates from your diet, completely.
Think of yourself as allergic to carbohydrates; if you were allergic to shellfish, you would not eat shellfish, right? Well, if carbohydrates cause you severe metabolic disorder, stop eating carbohydrates.

Is canned soup safe? like chicken noodle and veggie?

No.
1) They are processed AF
2) The noodles and vegetables are carbs.
3) Those thing always contain sugar.

Learn to read the labels. They literally tell you how much carbohydrate they have.

 

[dick brain]

The average American has not felt genuine hunger in his entire life.

Very stupid question. but how do I deal with feeling hungry on a fast?

From what I understand, and in my experience, hunger during an extended fast happens for three reasons:
1. You're at the start of the fast and you haven't depleted your glycogen stores yet, your body hasn't switched into ketosis (burning fat for fuel), and it's screaming at you to eat carbs. Once you run out of glycogen and switch into ketosis, the hunger diminishes or disappears. The amount of time this takes can vary a lot based on your prior diet but it won't be more than a few days. In the meantime, caffeine is a good, widely available and socially acceptable appetite suppressant, just make sure it's 0cal like black coffee, unsweetened tea/iced tea, or diet coke. Or you can supplement it in pill form, as in nodoze or jet alert or whatever.
2. You aren't supplementing enough electrolytes (sodium + potassium, maybe magnesium), which you NEED to do, they're as necessary as water and your body will crave sources of them, like salty junk food, if you're running low. You can get electrolytes packets with 0cal artificial sweeteners like Propel to mix into water at most stores, or you can look up "snake juice" which is a simple, cheap, flavorless, diy recipe.
3. You're literally out of fat to burn.

This is all covered in the video I linked, you should watch it.

So should I not eat for 3 days?

I would. I've done both IF and extended fasting and I find extended fasting easier. With IF, unless you're also eating a strictly ketogenic diet, you're constantly oscillating between glycolysis (body want carbs) and ketosis (body burn fat), whereas with extended fasting you're switching into ketosis and staying there. They're both great for your health and they each have their own benefits if you want to get autistically orthorexic, but extended fasting is the clear winner when it comes to burning fat, in my opinion.

A lot of people do "rolling 120s" aka fast for 120 hours (5 days), eat for 2 days, repeat. This is a pretty good way to start in my opinion.

I posted a tldr in the lifting thread, I'll try to find it and append it. But really you should just watch the video I linked earlier, if you don't even care enough to do that you probably don't care enough to lose the weight.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

What video?

 

[Iron Jaguar]

I'm going to ask my doctor about acarbose instead. It blocks complex carbs from breaking down into glucose,

Or, y'know, don't eat carbohydrates.
If you rely on a magic pill that allows you to continue eating the things that are harming you, you will always be diabetic and overweight. It's a simple truth. Not necessarily an easy one for many people, but it's very simple.

 

[dick brain]

What video?

The one in my post that you quoted yesterday.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

This one:
Post in thread 'Weight loss support thread' https://kiwifarms.net/threads/weight-loss-support-thread.2073/post-19907909

@Doktor Grimm
Thanks to those of you who suggested I monitor my protein intake -- as it turns out, I wasn't getting quite enough of anything from my previous diet. I started aiming for 80-90g daily

That's a very small amount of protein - basically maintenance amount for someone who is not very muscular. Are you a small woman?
You aren't gaining muscle because you simply do not have sufficient protein intake for muscle growth.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

That's a very small amount of protein - basically maintenance amount for someone who is not very muscular. Are you a small woman?
You aren't gaining muscle because you simply do not have sufficient protein intake for muscle growth.

I'm not a woman, but I'm not a big guy either. Someone linked me a protein calculator in response to my original post and this is the amount it recommended I have for my age and build. I've been aiming for the upper end of this range just to be absolutely certain -- is that still not enough? 90g is a lot to keep up with as is.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

I'm not a woman, but I'm not a big guy either. Someone linked me a protein calculator in response to my original post and this is the amount it recommended I have for my age and build. I've been aiming for the upper end of this range just to be absolutely certain -- is that still not enough? 90g is a lot to keep up with as is.

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That's, like, two steaks. Easily achievable even if you only eat one 200gm steak and have a couple of protein shakes, plus a protein yoghurt and maybe a couple of eggs or some deli meats for lunch. A high quality protein powder should give you around 20gm net of protein, and that's your shortcut to get around having to eat large amounts (and it's cheaper).

 

[bile demon]

Fung describes it as a low carb diet in a pill.

There will never be a drug that substitutes a healthy lifestyle. Every disease is, to a lesser or greater extent, a choice. The sooner you free yourself from the clutches of the pharmaceutical jew, the better. Drug treatment does not cure any chronic disease, it only suppresses the symptoms. To achieve health, the cause of the disease must be removed. This cannot be done by any pharmaceutical intervention, but only by changing the way you live. To look for a drug that alleviates problems caused by certain foods while keeping consuming said foods is to look for a drug that alleviates burns while keeping your hand in a fire. The medical industry can be useful for acute problems--surgery for broken bones, antibiotics for infections that your body can't handle on its own--but it is less than worthless in treatment of chronic issues, because by suppressing the symptoms which are nothing but your body's cry for change, it allows you to persist in a state of disease perpetually.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

There will never be a drug that substitutes a healthy lifestyle. Every disease is, to a lesser or greater extent, a choice. The sooner you free yourself from the clutches of the pharmaceutical jew, the better. Drug treatment does not cure any chronic disease, it only suppresses the symptoms. To achieve health, the cause of the disease must be removed. This cannot be done by any pharmaceutical intervention, but only by changing the way you live. To look for a drug that alleviates problems caused by certain foods while keeping consuming said foods is to look for a drug that alleviates burns while keeping your hand in a fire. The medical industry can be useful for acute problems--surgery for broken bones, antibiotics for infections that your body can't handle on its own--but it is less than worthless in treatment of chronic issues, because by suppressing the symptoms which are nothing but your body's cry for change, it allows you to persist in a state of disease perpetually.

This is a brilliant post and I cannot agree more. Some of it is almost word for word things I have said myself. - Modern medicine does not cure the disease, it just treats the symptoms.
I don't think there's an issue as such with people using pharmaceuticals to help them down the path of curing their illnesses but permanent reliance on them is a definite problem.

 

[Derka Derka]

I'm not a woman, but I'm not a big guy either. Someone linked me a protein calculator in response to my original post and this is the amount it recommended I have for my age and build. I've been aiming for the upper end of this range just to be absolutely certain -- is that still not enough? 90g is a lot to keep up with as is.

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I wouldn't follow the guidelines or recommendation from the ADA.
They are part of the reason for the revolving door/bad health/obesity issue in the U.S. in the last half century,
(and exported to the rest of the world)
They now are funded/influenced by the processed/junk food companies and big pharma.

Best to look at what your grandparents/great grandparents used to eat.
Most ate a protein/fat heavy diet of unprocessed foods.
Obesity and metabolic illness didn't hardly exist before the 1980s

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

I have been really worried about my weight recently. In a matter of a year ago until now. I want from being underweight to being at the threshold of obesity which got me pretty disturbed. It just so happens I ate a lot more and took an antipsychotic which caused me to gain that weight (Abilify to be exact). Because of this. I literally switched to sugar free drinks and I told people to stop bringing me food. Because how medicines work. I had to reduce to dose of that antipsychotic before quitting it completely. It has been rough. Nobody was being honest about my weight. Those who were around me sugarcoat the thing and became an enabler to this. If I ever become fat. I fucking want people to tell me that. I want them to shame me for eating so much. That way I am not emboldened to eat so much garbage. I'm like 250 pounds. I am going on a strict diet. I've done it before and will do it again.

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

Or, y'know, don't eat carbohydrates.
If you rely on a magic pill that allows you to continue eating the things that are harming you, you will always be diabetic and overweight. It's a simple truth. Not necessarily an easy one for many people, but it's very simple.

As I said earlier ITT I've been doing that and I'm still gaining weight and not getting into ketosis. I also said I'm going to be switching out my meds to one without an increased cardiovascular and cancer risk and continuing to fast and not eating carbs. I have multiple reasons to change medications and other health conditions that have nothing to do with diabetes that also need to be managed.

You may not believe me, but I don't give a fuck. I gain nothing by lying to strangers I'm not trying to impress.

 

[Derka Derka]

I literally switched to sugar free drinks and I told people to stop bringing me food.

Cut down/eliminate sweet things. Especially drinks.
It will only result in cravings down the line.

250 is obese (unless you are 6'5"+ and muscular).
I was your weight, and started to feel horrible (now below 190)
Unfortunately we now look at morbid obesity as being just "obese"

You may not believe me, but I don't give a fuck. I gain nothing by lying to strangers I'm not trying to impress.

As long as you don't delude yourself.

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

As long as you don't delude yourself

I try not to, it doesn't do me any favors.

I'm fasting today, either until I get the hypoglycemia shakes or until tomorrow at noon. Whichever comes first. I'm almost out of beef and not really hungry, so why eat.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

You may not believe me, but I don't give a fuck. I gain nothing by lying to strangers I'm not trying to impress.

Peace, friend. I wasn't criticising you or calling you a liar. Don't take it that way.

 

[Derka Derka]

I try not to, it doesn't do me any favors.

I'm fasting today, either until I get the hypoglycemia shakes or until tomorrow at noon. Whichever comes first. I'm almost out of beef and not really hungry, so why eat.

The beauty of zero carb (and being fat adapted) is I never get the shakes (any glucose I eat is a rounding error), even if I fast for multiple days.

I just get hungry after a while.

Much in the same way when you were hungry as a kid. And doing something fun was a higher priority than going home for dinner (where the main reason you actually went home because your parents would scold you otherwise)