Warhammer 40k

[Sunflower Samurai]

theres a Community Watch thread for general tabletop community/company spergery thats not discussion of the genre as a whole or 40k, i think it would be prudent to move some of the more unrelated TC shittery there

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/tabletop-community-watch.82392/

ive made a couple posts about the recent reddit tism and the general responses towards it

Indie tabletop game turned smash Kickstarter success Trench Crusade has had a random reddit post actually reach a substantial amount of likes (i.e the leddit is normally dead) where the poster calls out the "unofficial-official" (its pretty much the official discord, the main devs behind the game are in it and major updates/beta rules are posted there) discord for having shit moderation

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrenchCrusade/s/ApKcTz3Xvd https://archive.is/emXWe
This is only really notable because of Trench Crusade's massive success and the fact that the Discord was the main battleground for a culture war moment where trannies purged a bunch of Warhammer fans from their community because of "vibes" and allegedly some stalking some users' twitter for wrongthink.
I posted an overview of that debacle back in May
Once again a reminder to literally any creative that discord is poison albeit a highly entertaining one to the outsider looking in

It seems like the main retard being named as the head janny in charge is the server creator, some retard named ryan

Funnily enough, people are complaining he didnt sperg out when he was bitched at that Storm of Steel was written by a Nazi, even a basic Wikipedia skim, fucking Wikipedia of all sources, tells you that said Nazi was against the Nazi party and only joined it for political/military purposes, and even tried to kill Hitler Link

This "WatchingJork23" fella seems to be a big proponent of the discord being shit, in a fit of irony, in spite of the first TC schism being over people calling people Nazis over the wholesome chungus aztecs, they still accuse the current team of shitting on natives

Overall, its a great example of retards eating their own when everyone has increasingly pedantic takes on a complex subject, and often just for retarded idelogical reasons
Although im now thinking there are some gay ops afoot considering how hard they try to pin the Ryan guy with isms.

 

[Edward "Caesar" Sallow]

Well, we got renders for EC heads

Prepare thyne anuses.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

God I love opening this thread and seeing nothing but Troon Crusade shitting it up.

Those helmets are sexy as hell, cool that the one on the right seems to be loosely inspired by Telemachon, while the middle is a 1:1 update of the finecast helmet in the current upgrade kit.

I'm definitely digging the vibe so far. Hopefully the new sonic blasters and doom sirens look equally kickass.

 

[Humble Architect]

I'm definitely digging the vibe so far. Hopefully the new sonic blasters and doom sirens look equally kickass.

I love how the helmets have the cracked out eyes that are bugging out of the helmet

I got a good feeling

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

I love how the helmets have the cracked out eyes that are bugging out of the helmet
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I got a good feeling

I'm looking forward to seeing what EC when released. My only hope is they ease of the detail for details sake like the did with death guard which put me off painting my guys for the longest time. Pic above is a nice sweet spot imo.

 

[p1138]

Someone on reddit took the B&W helmet renders, and the previously shown pauldron renders from the other week and colored them in. Still no telling what he torsos might end up looking like, but probably not going to be on par with DG just needing every surface covered in something.

 

[Kier Starmer]

Loving the helmets so far, so I am expecting a really ornate/corrupt armor and I am loving that. 2025 looks brutal for thy wallet. I have so much shit to paint though.

I am going to say this the Kreig stuff feels like well-thought out Kroot stuff. I am sorry the Kroot stuff sucked ass and made Tau look even more boring. So you pick either mechs n snipers or guys that look like Watto from episode 1.

 

[Humble Architect]

I'm looking forward to seeing what EC when released. My only hope is they ease of the detail for details sake like the did with death guard which put me off painting my guys for the longest time. Pic above is a nice sweet spot imo.

The EC have something that the Death Guard didn’t, the approach of taking each….. aesthetic the EC have (grand, noise, mutilated, mutated, sex) and seemingly giving it a dedicated unit.

EC are getting a legionary kit, Noise marine squad and Palatine Blades, allegedly. That cleverly would give all the aesthetic demands people want and not painting the whole legion with the Reddit aesthetic (Nurglings+fat+jolly and silly) it’s the right approach and shuts everyone up whole avoiding the WE pitfall.

If GW had sense, they’d do a Death Guard kill team in the style of the Vraks plague marines (MKIV) and just call them “exalted” plague marines, boom, watch as people rebuy their army.

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

Loving the helmets so far, so I am expecting a really ornate/corrupt armor and I am loving that. 2025 looks brutal for thy wallet. I have so much shit to paint though.

I am going to say this the Kreig stuff feels like well-thought out Kroot stuff. I am sorry the Kroot stuff sucked ass and made Tau look even more boring. So you pick either mechs n snipers or guys that look like Watto from episode 1.

Even with a dedicated detachment Kroot still need mechs to do anything. There isn't enough AP in the roster for them to do damage consistently. Not to mention they are still insanely squishy. Even the beefiest of Kroot only have a 5+ save. The hounds and carnivores have stealth which isn't the benefit GW thinks it is when the game is filled with +1 bonuses, torrent, re-rolls, or straight up ignoring hit modifiers. Being T3 also means nearly everything is wounding you on 3s.

GW didn't even expand the roster in any meaningful way. We got three kroot leaders that are all fighting over who gets to lead a unit of carnivores, and no Great Knarloc. I actually like Kroot but fucks sake they really couldn't come up with anything new besides Kroot riding a lizard?

 

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Well, we got renders for EC heads

... something about those give me a bad feeling. Like, they're too "soft", especially the center one. Maybe it's just because I parse the helmet as having eyelashes on the upper back edges of the lenses, or something, I don't know. I get that the purple and pinks are typical EC colors, but they're also "bisexual lighting" and used by the troons in comics as a shibboleth, and the Warhammer preview of these had them purple and pink'd.



I'm just saying in a year when we hear something akin to "well they were always going to have to add Female Space Marines eventually, It's current year, and to be fair Slannesh making some of the Emperor's Children female / Bile taking Cawl's secret Female Space Marines research and implementing it is the most lore accurate thing ever" I want it to be known I called it

 

[Pedophobe]

Trooned out EC makes perfect sense in-universe though.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

... something about those give me a bad feeling. Like, they're too "soft", especially the center one. Maybe it's just because I parse the helmet as having eyelashes on the upper back edges of the lenses, or something, I don't know. I get that the purple and pinks are typical EC colors, but they're also "bisexual lighting" and used by the troons in comics as a shibboleth, and the Warhammer preview of these had them purple and pink'd.

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I'm just saying in a year when we hear something akin to "well they were always going to have to add Female Space Marines eventually, It's current year, and to be fair Slannesh making some of the Emperor's Children female / Bile taking Cawl's secret Female Space Marines research and implementing it is the most lore accurate thing ever" I want it to be known I called it

While I agree that troons are an encroaching problem that need to buy some rope at the hardware store rather than anything Warhammer related, I do feel you're making a mountain out of a ant hill here. EC use purple, while Slaanesh uses pink, purple and black. Also if GW puts a troon in the legion where rape would be on the lower scale of their debauchery, I would find it really REALLY funny.

 

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Trooned out EC makes perfect sense in-universe though.

Maybe. Maybe not.


Also, laughing at this cause it reads like a Dwarf Fortress art description:

> Our glimpse into the beyond this time reveals a trio of heads. Two in helmets adorned with elegant decorations perfectly befitting the epicureans wearing them, and the third a face rendered in rapt focus, no doubt eager to drink in the sensations of battle.


"It is a Space Marine Mk4 Power Helmet. It is created in a post-Great Crusade style and evokes themes of passion, madness, and chaos. It is aligned with Slannesh. Is it adorned with filigree of gold and human bone. All filigree is of the highest quality. It is made of Ceramite. It is covered in human leather. The leather is of the highest quality. The leather is screaming."

 

[Humble Architect]

I get the paranoia but we aren’t getting femme marines through EC, if that happens you bet you’re ass it’s gonna be loyalist. Ease your paranoia boys, sometimes purple is just the best colour.

Plus, you gotta remember how EC are the most blatantly lust-fuelled, perverse legion. I can think of numerous instances of these goobers getting a woman in their eye and pursuing with insane laser-focus. My boy Telemachon fell in love with a Dark Eldar (playa) after she tortured him, Ulix the Enthralled had a mommy demon, Fulgrim was fucking…… something when Lorgar paid him a visit, Xantine had a demon GF, Slaanesh appeared provocatively to Lucius (in his mirror form) and they literally spent Terra raping and murdering.

Point being, they won’t use these silly boys as political-fagging, the blowup would be monumental. They’ll get the initial launch and that’ll be it, the rest of the range will be CSM vehicles and Slaanesh demons. Like the Kroot and WE, they’re an early-year “new army”.

EC are the ones you can count on them not pulling this shit because of how perfected these guys are.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I get the paranoia but we aren’t getting femme marines through EC, if that happens you bet you’re ass it’s gonna be loyalist. Ease your paranoia boys, sometimes purple is just the best colour.

Plus, you gotta remember how EC are the most blatantly lust-fuelled, perverse legion. I can think of numerous instances of these goobers getting a woman in their eye and pursuing with insane laser-focus. My boy Telemachon fell in love with a Dark Eldar (playa) after she tortured him, Ulix the Enthralled had a mommy demon, Fulgrim was fucking…… something when Lorgar paid him a visit, Xantine had a demon GF, Slaanesh appeared provocatively to Lucius (in his mirror form) and they literally spent Terra raping and murdering.

Point being, they won’t use these silly boys as political-fagging, the blowup would be monumental. They’ll get the initial launch and that’ll be it, the rest of the range will be CSM vehicles and Slaanesh demons. Like the Kroot and WE, they’re an early-year “new army”.
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EC are the ones you can count on them not pulling this shit because of how perfected these guys are.

I'm actually confused as to why they wouldn't troon out the Emperor's Children. After all, they've said multiple times that all sides are evil in 40K, so it shouldn't be much of a problem to have either the EC or the loyalists have female marines.

But in actuality, from a lore perspective, the EC should have been the first to have Female Space Marines. After all, their patron deity Slaanesh has female and male characteristics. So I can imagine some folks in the EC would have experimented with the powers of genetic manipulation and Chaos to create gene-seed that would work on women, so they could create female Space Marines to honor their spiritual liege, who has male AND female characteristics.

That, and I can imagine them fucking regular women who happen to be their sex slaves, and these women break apart after getting raped for the 100th time, so they'd probably create female Chaos Marines who have more endurance for such activities.

Female EC Chaos Marines that do well in battle get their cadre of male slaves to satisfy their lusts, while the ones that don't do well, or the ones who fail spectacularly, are enslaved as comfort women for the male Chaos Marines, and Slaanesh wins either way, because he is satisfied by both.

The Imperium of Man is supposed to be regressively traditionalist. As in, they will not make female Space Marines even if they could, at least if they're written to be consistent with the lore that's already come before. The Emperor never made Female Astartes, and neither should the Imperium, because they worship the Emperor as a god and see everything he's done as perfect.

It's like how Catholicism has no female priests/bishops/cardinals because Jesus Christ didn't have female Apostles. The Emperor occupies a similar position in the Imperium's religion, being their human god-king, and so, they should approach the Emperor's work with the same veneration for tradition and purpose.

But let's not kid ourselves, they probably will make the female Astartes into loyalists, because at the end of the day, the loyalist Astartes are the main characters. The Chaos Marines are just their dark foils. The latter will always play second banana to the former. So of course, either they will make female Astartes for both sides, or they'll make the loyalist female Astartes first.

 

[Humble Architect]

@LORD IMPERATOR you know, you could just say you don’t know anything about the EC rather than that. Good god man, fucking think before you post.

You know how the Eldar refer to Slaanesh as a woman? While the EC specifically refer to him as a man? You get it? They only view their god through themselves.

Some Eldar are even mocked by EC at the sheer concept of “The Youngest God being a woman.”

The Emperor’s Children approach to Slaanesh worship is deliberately gender-exclusionary, they are his greatest servants, they are through which perfection is manifested, Slaanesh must be like them. That’s not even talking about Xantine’s “muses” or that time they turned a woman into a portal in the Shadowsword (or was it Baneblade?) novel.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@LORD IMPERATOR you know, you could just say you don’t know anything about the EC rather than that. Good god man, fucking think before you post.

You know how the Eldar refer to Slaanesh as a woman? While the EC specifically refer to him as a man? You get it? They only view their god through themselves.

Some Eldar are even mocked by EC at the sheer concept of “The Youngest God being a woman.”

The Emperor’s Children approach to Slaanesh worship is deliberately gender-exclusionary, they are his greatest servants, they are through which perfection is manifested, Slaanesh must be like them.

To be fair, that's like saying the Imperium would never create Primaris Marines because the way the Space Marines are trained would mean that the Space Marine chapters would never accept randos from Mars into their ranks, because they would only accept people they've picked and trained themselves. And look how that turned out.

That, and people's beliefs tend to change over the course of 10K years. So it wouldn't be that surprising to me if some members of the EC think that Slaanesh is a woman or a hermaphrodite. After all, Chaos is called that because the last thing they are is dogmatic; there's a whole umbrella of belief systems within Chaos, and the idea of religious orthodoxy amongst a group that is practically Chaos personified, especially over the course of 10K years, is asinine. Christianity isn't even 2000 years old, and look how it's grown to have a multitude of belief systems and orthodoxies. Even a single denomination like Catholicism can have many sub-groups under it, like the Franciscans, the Cistercians, the Dominicans, the Augustinians, the Jesuits, and so on.

 

[daniel day]

To be fair, that's like saying the Imperium would never create Primaris Marines because the way the Space Marines are trained would mean that the Space Marine chapters would never accept randos from Mars into their ranks, because they would only accept people they've trained and hazed themselves. And look how that turned out.

That, and people's beliefs tend to change over the course of 10K years. So it wouldn't be that surprising to me if some members of the EC think that Slaanesh is a woman or a hermaphrodite. After all, Chaos is called that because the last thing they are is dogmatic; there's a whole umbrella of belief systems within Chaos, and the idea of religious orthodoxy amongst a group that is practically Chaos personified, especially over the course of 10K years, is asinine. Christianity isn't even 2000 years old, and look how it's grown to have a multitude of belief systems and orthodoxies.

The Fabius Bile novels has him lament that he's not able to make space marines out of women because of weird genetics stuff, and if he can't do it, then no one can. It would also make every troon in the country flip out because GW would basically be calling them weirdo sex freaks that are hedonistic addicts. If GW were to make female marines, it would be loyalist marines, because anything but complete capitulation wouldn't be acceptable to the vocal minority screaming for them to add female marines.

That said, very excited about the new EC stuff dropping. I've been steadily building up my chaos marines all year hoping they'd drop Noise marines to round out my legion-specific legionaries that I could paint WB colors.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Fabius Bile novels has him lament that he's not able to make space marines out of women because of weird genetics stuff, and if he can't do it, then no one can.

Maybe someone else tries down the line and succeeds. Heck, maybe Fabius Bile tries again with some help from the Chaos gods, and he eventually cracks the code.

It would also make every troon in the country flip out because GW would basically be calling them weirdo sex freaks that are hedonistic addicts.

But.......they literally are. They partake of sex acts seen by the rest of the world as non-traditional and perverse. That, and wouldn't it fit their character to empower slutty behavior? I mean, the Left once supported slut-walks back in their day. Isn't the whole LGBTQ movement about taking things that the world saw as perverse and being proud of it, hence why it's called the Pride movement.

If GW were to make female marines, it would be loyalist marines, because anything but complete capitulation wouldn't be acceptable to the vocal minority screaming for them to add female marines.

But isn't the Imperium the yucky evil traditionalist religious faction that they keep telling us are evil Nazis that we're supposed to hate? Also, it's less justifiable, since the Emperor never made female marines, so even if the Imperium can make female marines, they probably won't, out of respect for the Emperor's tradition. Which, like I said, is like Catholicism having no female priests because Jesus never had female Apostles.

It's kind of funny, since these fools keep telling us that we're supposed to hate the Imperium, yet they want female Space Marines who are obviously going to be the good guys to be in said Imperium.

 

[Michael Wade]

I was reading on /tg/ a while back that things were not looking as promised with Trench Crusade. It's either been co-opted by troons, or they were always troons that hid themselves well. Personally I hope it's the latter as I had no intentions of playing, but I understand how this degeneracy has upset some people. In the end I really hope that troons just go all in with this game, and leave 40k for the rest of us.

As a side note to the previous discussions about Fabius Bile and female space marines: for those who still want it or are "playing devil's advocate" please refer to the following flow charts. The first is straightforward, and the second one is really for those who can't help themselves.
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Correct me if the picture that's not loading for me accounts for this, but biles creations are not space Marines. They are More like humans augmented as much as possible to be similar. But still only half as strong at best. They're only real advantage is the ability to reproduce. You could theoretically outfit a gaggle of female newmen or gland hounds, but at best they probably would be on the same level as sisters of battle without the experience or zeal.



Also I've noticed they have taken great care not to illustrate what the new men look like. Everything on image search is fan made. The image above I think is the most accurate depiction.

One of the more interesting lore aspects is bile just randomly seeding them wherever he goes. Almost like Gene stealers in a way. Although I don't think they are mentally conditioned.

Edit: huh they are gene coded to be loyal to bile but that's about it. From further reading one of them actually seems to have became a loyalist planetary governor. The main issue they seem to have if reddit is to be believed is a fundamental inability to create and innovate. They almost seem like smarter fallout super mutants in a way.