Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[MirnaMinkoff]

This can't possibly be the case even if the parent legally relinquishes the child, and the child is formally adopted through the usual legal means. Otherwise every fifteen year old runaway who gives their child up for adoption would owe child support to the family that adopts the kid. Unless I'm missing something here...?

It's very likely that Greta's parents didn't formally adopt the girl - they maybe just took her in or got primary custody, which would of course still mean that Greta had to support her financially. We've seen how well Greta handles legal forms of any kind, so it's not impossible that there was never any actual adoption and she never actually gave up custody of the kid but rather just slogged her off on the grandparents and went off to go do whatever.

Correct, legal adoption makes them your child and responsibility in every sense of the word. There have been cases of couples adopting children from outside of the country, things go terribly wrong, they try to put the kid in foster care and the state holds them responsible for cost.

What's most likely is Greta's in-laws got full or primary custody of the kid and in that case Greta would have to pay child support. The in-laws might have only adopted if they feared Greta trying to use a custody battle as leverage to punish them or if they just wanted the hulk out of their lives completely.

 

[AnOminous]

This can't possibly be the case even if the parent legally relinquishes the child, and the child is formally adopted through the usual legal means. Otherwise every fifteen year old runaway who gives their child up for adoption would owe child support to the family that adopts the kid. Unless I'm missing something here...?

If you give a child up for adoption and thereby relinquish all rights whatsoever, they essentially aren't your child any more.

This is not what Greta has done.

Greta is a deadbeat dad.

 

[chocolatesaltyballs]

If you give a child up for adoption and thereby relinquish all rights whatsoever, they essentially aren't your child any more.

This is not what Greta has done.

Greta is a deadbeat dad.

Greta has a long and storied history of skipping out on required documentation, it seems.

Unfortunately for Greta, Bureaucracy does not forgive, Bureaucracy does not forget.

 

[Maiden-TieJuan]

We know from Greta's FB that the divorce info he was looking for related to his marriage to Marian (the daughter from that marriage was adopted by Greta's parents). He couldn't remember where or when they got married. But guess what? Even if he cannot track down the divorce info, he can still prove that his marriage to Marian is legally over because she fucking died and death ends a marriage.

This is what made me think they had legally adopted the child from his dead wife. Did they legally adopt her?

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I'm thinking it was a chain of events, due to Greta being a irresponsible pos. Her second marriage might have been questionable due to not providing a death certificate to demonstrate the first marriage was over. So then she has a second wife and we have no idea if she did the paperwork to divorce the second wife. Basically she Nina in a real cluster fuck because immigration wants every record of every single marriage the petitioner has ever had - not just divorce but also the marriage certificate. If you don't provide one of those piece of info. the app will be denied for lack of documentation.

Believe me, it's a billion times easier to get a copy of a divorce/marriage record than it is to pursue a defensive asylum claim. The fact they are taking the asylum route demonstrates at this point Greta and Nina aren't legally married. Now, they could rectify that matter by getting legally married in the next few weeks - if they don't then that's all the evidence one needs that something very shady is in Greta's past that she's covering up /avoiding even at the cost of Nina's ass being sent back to India.

 

[Butta Face Lopez]

I'd be willing to bet if you told the employee at Domino's you were suicidal the conversation would've been more sensitive and helpful than if you actually got through to TLL

 

[Very Honest Content]

Well yeah, of course.

If you're dead you can't order a pizza.

But Kjel Anderson can use your cooling body to solicit funds so they're both looking out for the bottom line, just in polar opposite ways.

 

[Axiom]

If you give a child up for adoption and thereby relinquish all rights whatsoever, they essentially aren't your child any more.

This is not what Greta has done.

Greta is a deadbeat dad.

Yeah i figured this was the case. But people have been saying his parents 'adopted' his kid from his first marriage and this could honestly have meant that they really adopted the kid, or that Greta just dumped her on them because he wanted to find another emotionally unsound drug addict to fuck.

 

[Virus]

I wouldn't normally sit and read a full 332 page thread, but the guffaw over all this was just too good to pass up.
Who's helping to run the lifeline while Shrek and his Child Bride are fighting for asylum? Those two are clearly not going to take calls while they have a court hearing looming, and if anything the rate of calls being answered by the other operators has only dropped since this whole ordeal started happening.

 

[MightyBiteySnake]

I'd be willing to bet if you told the employee at Domino's you were suicidal the conversation would've been more sensitive and helpful than if you actually got through to TLL

Even if they don't they'll probably at least turn turn you over to a real suicide hotline.

 

[Lalala]

Even if they don't they'll probably at least turn turn you over to a real suicide hotline.

Real talk i used to work fast food and if i answered the phone to "Im suicidal" I'd immediately take my break right then and at least have a chat with the person before turning them over to a real hotline, TLL volunteers have apparently been trained to have less empathy than a common burger flipper.

 

[keksz]

Here is the podcast archive @LordKaT has uploaded, in case anyone missed the real thing and is feeling too lazy to read through the research he's provided, like I am:

I felt like for every page I read another three were posted

This is because there probably were 3 pages being written for every couple you read, if you were here during peak times. There were around or over 50 pages added to ths thread in the 48 hours following El Nino's detainment. And pretty much over a hundred in total since. I don't have the exact numbers but you get my point: this has been quite the ride so far.

 

[m0rnutz]

I'd be willing to bet if you told the employee at Domino's you were suicidal the conversation would've been more sensitive and helpful than if you actually got through to TLL

"Dominos Man O War, how can I help you?"
"I want to kill myself."
"Are you trans?"
"No-"
click

Come to think of it, can we call and speak with the manager/owner about how their phone is being used by an employee to take calls from suicidal callers? That might actually be another reason why calls get dropped.

 

[JU 199]

TL;DR: 6.67% of calls answered from September 12th 2016 to January 6th 2017

6.67%

Wow that's terrible.

Whats TTL's budget again? over $100,000 isn't it?

 

[keksz]

I'd just like to point out 6.67% is the approximation of an infinite division: 6,666666666666666666666666...

Greta is the embodiment of Lucifer confirmed.

 

[bottomfeeder]

@LordKaT Did the operator who hung up you say "transsexual" or "transgender"? Just wondering, because "transsexual" is generally a taboo term in these circles and considered evil/outdated/bigoted.

 

[repentance]

This is what made me think they had legally adopted the child from his dead wife. Did they legally adopt her?

I don't think we know. Marian relinquishing her parental rights was referenced by a friend of Marian's, but I'm not sure whether we've ever had supporting evidence of Greta doing the same - or whether it was even required for him to do so at that particular time in that particular state. We're talking about a time period when adoption records were less open than they are now.

Now, some judges dislike kinship adoptions because they can be used as a mechanism to terminate parental obligations while still maintaining a large presence in the child's life. But grandparents or other relatives raising children whose parents couldn't get their shit together was extremely common in the past whether it was formalised or not.

 

[NQ 952]

@LordKaT Did the operator who hung up you say "transsexual" or "transgender"? Just wondering, because "transsexual" is generally a taboo term in these circles and considered evil/outdated/bigoted.

specifically I believe it was "Trans"

 

[Lalala]

@LordKaT Did the operator who hung up you say "transsexual" or "transgender"? Just wondering, because "transsexual" is generally a taboo term in these circles and considered evil/outdated/bigoted.

I was curious about this too since this little cult of personality thrives on pointing out when someone dares to use the wrong terminology and calling it harassment or oppression, can only imagine the weapons grade REEEEEE that volunteer would get if it wasn't Lordkat on the line but a proper danger hair troon calling for some self validation.

 

[ADN_VIII]

I was curious about this too since this little cult of personality thrives on pointing out when someone dares to use the wrong terminology and calling it harassment or oppression, can only imagine the weapons grade REEEEEE that volunteer would get if it wasn't Lordkat on the line but a proper danger hair troon calling for some self validation.

I can say with certainty that an untrained volunteer operator would probably either panic or hang up immediately.