VRChat - WAOW, it's the METAVERSE!!! (a growing den of pedophiles, furries, and troons that is advertised as safe for children)

[x3firehexx]

I should have added more context regarding that (my bad).
For expereinces that are 18+ and adult themed (bars, clubs etc), I feel that a verified account should be necessary. Standard instances (minigames, cinemas, sfw social spaces etc) should not have that restriction.
Although there is nothing preventing bad actors from being on sfw instances, it further reduces the chance of kids accessing the nsfw ones, which still helps in my opinion (even if it isn't 100% effective)

My question is how easy this is to bypass. I mean, kids aren't THAT smart, but they are clever and a kid does have all day to figure out a bypass, and a kid that is very stubborn and has a LOT of time on his hands is surprisingly capable. Ofcourse, the only skill our methaphorica kid is going to need is a bit of sneaking to sneak into his parent's bedroom, yonk either one of their ID documents (passport, ID, whatever) and use that.

Or if our kid is technologically competent and one of their parents has a persona ID said kid could either bait one of the parents/older sibling, they may say "Oh you need to do that for this online school system thing" or "You need to do that for (insert any sort of important sounding technichal/law/goverment jargon). chances are the parent will just get this done&over with so their kid can stop nagging them about it so the parent can go back to watching football or scrolling endlessly trough facebook". Online ID verification may seem strong and secure, but it isn't.

Also, about the last sentence, preventing kids on being on 18+ instances may seem good'n'all, y'know, to prevent them from all the 18+ NSFW, but at that point it all falls apart anyway since if a kid is that horny he can just open up one of the ten thousand or so porn sites who's age verification is "Are you over 18?, click correctly and don't lie".... Because kids definetly DEFINETLY do not lie. (Atleast with reddit you have to log in to access 18+ subreddits but it takes like 1 click if you have a google account)

Stopping kids from accessing 18+ spaces, is a Ok idea, despite it's flaws, but that doesn't solve to root problem, we are simply solving a tangential issue. An issue, but not the "correct" issue if you know what i mean. YYes, this is good, HOVEWER the root cause is the INSANE amounts of gooners and pedos on there. Barring kids out of 18+ instances to protect them from this stuff is good, until, as i\e discussed, they open up a incognito browser and proceed to make god dissapointed. Now, i know you can set up a DNS blocking system on your router to filter out those sites, set up parental controls on the kid's device to begin with, but i doubt that many parents have the technichal knowledge to do something like this, and the moment said kid realizes they can use their phone's cellular connection it all falls apart. Also, parental controls are very VERY easy to bypass if your kid knows how to use tasmngr. The parental controls on windows 10, from my experience use a background service that you can stop, and incase you set a time based limit, the moment your kid knows how to get to the BIOS and change the time it all falls apart because the BIOS loads BEFORE windows 10/11, so parental controls don't work. On linux parental controls don't exist, and if they somehow do the kid can backup his stuff to a flash drive, do a quick 'lil reinstall and done.

Instead of trying to stop kids from getting into harm's way, we should remove the harm to begin with. VRchat is fixing the symptom, not the root cause. They are doing fine trying to fix the symptom, credit where credit is due, it does show they atleast care a little, but as i said. Fixing the root cause is always, ALWAYS more effective than suppressing the symptom.

Basically the takeaway is that you can't stop a kid who's stubborn enough and has a lot of time. And another takeaway is that acessing VRchat porn is now more difficult that acessing actual porn sites so all they did was drive the horny teens out of VRchat to (insert any of the ten or so thousand porn sites). And let's not forget that those kids are probably also definetly using discord, which is also, definetly not infested with pedos

Also the thing you said about pedos being able to go on SFW spaces basically invalides the point of this, assuming the point was to keep the kids from creepy adult gooners.

 

[wholesandwich]

I don't think anyone's expecting a game's age gating to stop kids from finding adult content outside of said game.
From my understanding VR Chat is requiring a selfie along with the ID. I imagine that's more of a chore and also an additional red flag to parents being pestered by their kids. I assume they are going to content lock certain skins from being seen without verification too.
The only potential hole I see here is if their verification partner doesn't keep record of IDs used to verify. If they don't, some predator could easily just verify additional accounts and give access to their targets, or just verify some kid's account for them.

 

[GayRapistWithAIDs]

Are you counting trannies?

No, I would wager that 1/4 user is probably biologically female, as shocking as that may be. You have to remember that this is basically second life though, there is no competitive toxic aspect, it's all social, and women aren't harassed for being women, if anything they are rewarded for it with simps, not implying this is a bad thing, but it's just the nature of the game

The only potential hole I see here is if their verification partner doesn't keep record of IDs used to verify. If they don't, some predator could easily just verify additional accounts and give access to their targets, or just verify some kid's account for them.

That's a significant hoop to jump through tbh, it would just be easier for them to groom kids elsewhere at this point, and I imagine that's the idea behind this kind of age verification, don't have to be faster then the bear, just faster then the other person. Degenerate criminals often take the path of least resistance. Not saying it's gonna fix everything, but I definitely think it will make it easier to moderate and prevent. I think what's more likely is that people are just going to groom kids in the open and invite them to private instances, you can see a version of this happen right now in basically any popular discord server. Ultimately this is why I believe children should have either entirely separate online spaces with are very strictly controlled by thoroughly vetted moderators/some kind of AI that won't groom them, or no access to the internet what so ever.

 

[Maurice Maine]

There is a method to make kids steer away from VRChat and other plagued communities such as Roblox but I feel it's impossible to implement. How, may you ask? Simple: Make those things uncool. If the kid sees no appeal in these platforms, then they won't be encouraged to participate. But how the fuck do you make those things uncool to them when I myself don't understand why people play those shitty wannabe MMOs when you could be playing Team Fortress 2 like god intended.

 

[x3firehexx]

Degenerate criminals often take the path of least resistance.

So do teens. Apart from this ID thing being a massive privacy violation just begging for a EU smackdown it also isn't intended to stop teens from looking up porn. The intend here is to provide some sort of resistance. Sure, you can try bypassing it, but why go trough all that BS when you can just go click on incognito mode and search up "big naked tits" or whatever.
What they are doing isn't fixing the root issue, they are suppressing the symptom by providing a source of resistance/difficulty. I mean, a teen that wants do to his 4th jackoff for the day isn't going to bother baiting his parents into giving him their id, nor stealing it or anything like that. If he can go to NSFW VRchat spaces to jack off, fine, but if he can't h'ell just open up incognito and go watch porn there. I mean, at this point this is a helluvalot easier.

And doing the id verification is also cheaper than paying dedicated moderators to actually fix the core issue of VRchat being infested with groomers.
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This also does absolutely nothing to stop pedos and groomers

 

[Dear Computer]

It's been a little while, yet I've finally come across sufficient evidence of the existing overlap between com (or edgy self-harm communities) and VRChat. About a month ago I had a suspicious contact come into my purview, and after joining a public instance with them and their also suspicious friends a couple of days ago, I witnessed them exchanging their collection of saved avatars. Most were the typical com-aesthetic, but this first one really caught my eye, especially since I have been seeing these types of avatars everywhere, all with upload dates in late November:

Spoiler: Huge Red Flag Avatars

Another notable avatar they exchanged that includes a cutsign:

Spoiler: Red Flag Profiles

Special character username: іntеrnеt gіrl
Their "boyfriend" is SURPRISE! one of the people who were sharing the avatars I found in the previous spoiler!
>Niche crypto group, vomit girls group, breakcore groups, etc.

Special character username: wоund
Insufficient evidence, yet written due to the staggering amount of edgy style avatars I see made by them. Many also shared between the group I found the cutting avatar.

Spoiler: Com Affiliated Groups

>1 person active
Creator username: xvcc?


>3 people active

Creator username: 『 SpookyK 』
Links:

https://doxbin.com/user/Xannys

+ 2 discord server invite links


I've been seeing the term "skid" thrown around. It's been a hot minute since I read the 764 thread, but I also saw another com person with "skid" in their bio.
Could just be an edgy hacker or ERP group, I have no idea.
There are 2 people active right now as of the time I'm writing this.


Chris516 is also the owner of another very popular group, called the Moonlight Tavern. There doesn't seem to be a world that comes with it.

I'm going to be continuously updating this post with avatars, people, groups and worlds I find. Better to keep logs than be sorry.

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

https://m.twitch.tv/wolfffff_vt

I found this degenerate on twitch. Also on tiktok and youtube, talking about licking shit off the bathroom floor and cock cages and multiple sex buddies and literally even having a device hooked up to him that sends shocks as part of the kink. Normally, this stuff would just be fucked but not really phase me with other shit I've seen, but this got me:

This dude, if you believe him, is a father. And might be having his child raised in a polyamory group.

I'm keeping an eye, in case this dude stops uploading and I hear about a murder suicide on the news.

 

[Dear Computer]

I'm going to be continuously updating this post with avatars, people, groups and worlds I find. Better to keep logs than be sorry.

Update:
A new "com" group was created on November 30th.

There are already 185 members, with 17 being online at the time of reporting.
I did some looking into what com adjacent discordians think of VRChat com, and I found responses that pretty much summed it up as "corny."
There is no discord link as of now on the group page.

I've found a pattern where a lot of these people larping as edgy people with power have this username format:
༒[name]༒
My count has been around 4-6 so far from simply going down a few small rabbit-holes.

An interesting one:
I found a user in the VR Mystery School world AFK looking at tarot cards, so I added them.
Later on I went down a small search to see what groups and people they may be connected to.
In turn, I found a group called "Suicide's sluts," and from thereon the connection was pretty easy to navigate.

Spoiler: Small Rabbithole

This "Dave cult69" group is so fucking strange (sounds like Death cult). Is this a personal lolcow?
Why are almost 900 people in a group with a child as the icon and banner? Does anyone recognize this kid by chance?

Owner:

Their links are:
> guns.lol/stalkingminors
Website:

> t.me/slitingthighs
Both of the links led me to dead ends.


And inevitably, it leads back to them being in one of the com groups in my last post.

Extra as proof for so many of them having the username format:


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I checked out a few discord links -- which also inevitably led me to discord servers that had "partner" channels which would eventually lead to a ton of /com servers.

This discord [gg/killings] was the nail in the coffin, as it was the server to finally lead me to /com affiliated discords. I took note of the YkRezzi guy because of his secure contact in bio (and group for advertising his business).

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I posted this in the 764 thread, and I've already sent a friend request to the owner of the KMFDM group to see if I can create a timeline for if the account joined the group before the 16th (which could confirm it's her).
Natalie Samantha Rupnow, the Wisconsin school shooter, may have had a VRChat account:

 

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New VRC predator catch video by UrghBla:

(PreserveTube)

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

I wanted to add onto my last post: The shock collar is part of the stream. It's literally a system where if you give him money, it sends a pulse to an electric shock collar that he is wearing, that he then gets off to.

 

[x3firehexx]

...well that's a new one

I wanted to add onto my last post: The shock collar is part of the stream. It's literally a system where if you give him money, it sends a pulse to an electric shock collar that he is wearing, that he then gets off to.

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Well that's a new one. Next he should do a system where he has a noose around his neck and then a trapdoor below him, so, the more money you donate the longer he'll hang for. I wonder how long the stream will last before he ends up yiffing in hell

 

[Sprate Header]

ProximityChat got his channel back btw:

His channel is back up which is much better than that outlook. Might be good to still look further into the whole "furry keys" ring

Here's hoping that his channel gets to stay, it's pretty good content

(https://archive.ph/uhB6n)

Celebrate by rewatching his video about Alan Lubeski, the furry faggot and serial liar who falsely struck his channel:

(PreserveTube)

Also check out @Edward "Caesar" Sallow's write-up about the drama in Lubeski's thread: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/alan-lubeski.35851/post-20125037

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

...well that's a new one

Well that's a new one. Next he should do a system where he has a noose around his neck and then a trapdoor below him, so, the more money you donate the longer he'll hang for. I wonder how long the stream will last before he ends up yiffing in hell

You act like he isn't going to get off to that either. Shooting him is the only way you are walking away not feeling dirty for being an unwilling accomplice to a fetish.

 

[x3firehexx]

You act like he isn't going to get off to that either. Shooting him is the only way you are walking away not feeling dirty for being an unwilling accomplice to a fetish.

I just did some research, and turns out what i described exists, and is a genuine fetish, and it's called:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation
I wish i was making this shit up,but nope, i am infact not.

Also masochism/suicide fetishists exist so there's a non-zero chance he'll get off to me shooting him

 

[ChristSeVeN]

A new "com" group was created on November 30th.

Upsetting that comniggers can't stay on Discord and Telegram. 'Laughing Coffin' (one of the OG groups in the sphere you mentioned) arguably wasn't really a 'com' thing in the earlier days of VRChat, but it got absorbed into this shit via Discord.

One thing that annoys me about these groups was the fact that they act as if their shitty avatars crashing people's games is in any way technically impressive. Literally anyone with some decent experience in Unity can do the same thing. Even their 'clients' while certainly more complex than the avatars are frankly less impressive than other game cheats too.

 

[didelphigina]

https://m.twitch.tv/wolfffff_vt

I found this degenerate on twitch. Also on tiktok and youtube, talking about licking shit off the bathroom floor and cock cages and multiple sex buddies and literally even having a device hooked up to him that sends shocks as part of the kink. Normally, this stuff would just be fucked but not really phase me with other shit I've seen, but this got me:

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This dude, if you believe him, is a father. And might be having his child raised in a polyamory group.

I'm keeping an eye, in case this dude stops uploading and I hear about a murder suicide on the news.

Unrelated but what's with all these furry streamers all sounding the same? I can't remember hearing any furry I've listened to sound different from someone else. They all sound like what you expect for a male furry to sound like. It's like with trans people who aren't even trying to sound like a woman, you can easily detect that falsetto a thousand miles away. With twitch streamers, you can detect how gay they are just from a millisecond of listening, as if their avatar's not already a dead giveaway.

 

[DEAD BIRD]

https://m.twitch.tv/wolfffff_vt

I found this degenerate on twitch. Also on tiktok and youtube, talking about licking shit off the bathroom floor and cock cages and multiple sex buddies and literally even having a device hooked up to him that sends shocks as part of the kink. Normally, this stuff would just be fucked but not really phase me with other shit I've seen, but this got me:

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This dude, if you believe him, is a father. And might be having his child raised in a polyamory group.

I'm keeping an eye, in case this dude stops uploading and I hear about a murder suicide on the news.

Holy fuck, that poor kid is going to either grow up a normal person but extremely resentful of his biological parents and their shit life-style, and probably fags in general (lmao) or they're going to be fucking mentally destroyed. Didn't even get to start life and they lost, fucking sad.

Upsetting that comniggers can't stay on Discord and Telegram. 'Laughing Coffin' (one of the OG groups in the sphere you mentioned) arguably wasn't really a 'com' thing in the earlier days of VRChat, but it got absorbed into this shit via Discord.

One thing that annoys me about these groups was the fact that they act as if their shitty avatars crashing people's games is in any way technically impressive. Literally anyone with some decent experience in Unity can do the same thing. Even their 'clients' while certainly more complex than the avatars are frankly less impressive than other game cheats too.

No surprise niggers who make a personality out of being edgy 15 year olds who think cutting makes them emo and or goth use the group name "Laughing Coffin." because only faggots like Sword Art Online enough to make it a portion of their edgy razor blade indulgent personality lmfao.

 

[x3firehexx]

No surprise niggers who make a personality out of being edgy 15 year olds who think cutting makes them emo and or goth use the group name "Laughing Coffin." because only faggots like Sword Art Online enough to make it a portion of their edgy razor blade indulgent personality lmfao.

I think this sums it up well:

 

[Onomatopoeia]

I can immediatly see a few issues with that:
I don't really know how this persona system works, but maybe it might be completely possible for a particularly clever kid to just grab a older (18+)'s sibling/parent/whoever's id and just.... use that.
The Eurocrats are going to have a field day with this, and most likely going to cause wayy too many headaches for VRchat's lawyers to the degree where they do it US only or just backtrack.

Fuck, i've seen kids get into 18+ discord servers this way, y'know, where the owner asks them for a pic of the ID with everything except the birthday censored, except this is even easier to bypass with a fake ID since... well... it's a picture, (or do the entire "steal and older sibling's ID and use that" shtick).

ID verfication for anything online just, doesn't work, like, fundamentally it's flawed, and easily bypassable. Also a potential privacy violation, and as i said the eurocrats are going to have a field day with this since... well... they are eurocrats, they gave apple hell over how their damn charging cable is shaped, for example.

So, as i said, either US only or not happenning at all.
And this also begs the question: Why haven't porn sites started doing this too? Like, at this point accessing horny +18 vrchat rooms will be trickier than full on porn. Like, jesus christ this concept just doesn't fundamentally work, and it never will. Let's be honest

Let me quickly explain that Persona is a pretty secure choice because in their standard G-ID process they do require a selfie of your face. Back in the days I had the pleasure of working with them this was manually verified by jeets but nowadays it might just be a rudimentary AI check. They are GDPR compliant and have customers in the EU.

VRC can query all information regardless what they claim in their PR-Video - but they don't store any personally identifying data themselves. This makes it a nice an easy way to near-globally verify the age and identity of all of your users without following and pesky laws yourself. On a positive note this also makes ban-evading for a lot of people impossible. On the downside this makes it very obvious and easy to target minors for bad actors. This alone is a useless gimmick to increase child safety.

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

And this also begs the question: Why haven't porn sites started doing this too? Like, at this point accessing horny +18 vrchat rooms will be trickier than full on porn. Like, jesus christ this concept just doesn't fundamentally work, and it never will. Let's be honest

Main reasoning is that vrchat is a chat room, not just a porn site. Having a teenager in puberty go on pornhub is one thing, letting a child have sexual conversations with an unknown adult is entirely another. That shit could lead to straight up kidnapping, if you look at that roblox case.

Also, this seems to be less about keeping kids away from adults and more keeping adults with adults. Vrchat has probably realized now that the userbase cannot keep it in their pants. People will keep reuploading strip clubs, hypno fetish worlds, drone fetish worlds, etc. They will mod in shit like DPS (System to tie avatars to vibrators) and upload avatars themselves that are set to uncloneable. You can find an avatar with a dick in about twenty random searches in an avatar lookup world. I'm only guessing, but they are likely to start allowing these things officially, but start filtering them automatically for non age restricted users.