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So I recently watched Cruella the movie...and I don't get it.

It has great costumes, scenes and Emma Thompson is a great as Baroness von Hellman but it doesn't fit into the 101 Dalmatian universe. Cruella isn't punk and she isn't someone to feel sorry for and neither are her henchmen. Glenn Close embodied her perfectly. She doesn't need a tragic backstory, we don't need to see her parents and how she met Jasper and Horace. It works much better when they are just two criminals she hired to do the dirty work instead of them being childhood friends. What a dumb idea.

I think the movie got it entirely wrong - Cruella should have been the villain. The story should have been about a young woman who wants to take revenge on her. The Baroness should have been a second antagonist or a minor side character.

But the movie has no place in the canon. It's not the animated Cruella because movie takes place in the late 50s or early 60. It's not the 101/102 Dalmatians Cruella because she is an older woman and can't be Anitas schoolmate...and also Anita is white. It's not Cruella from the cartoon shows either. This Cruella is a new character from a new alternative universe and entirely unecessary.


Also congrats everyone for 11.000 posts! Fuck Disney!
They wanted to capitalize on the success of The Joker but they didn't understand what made the first movie work and also wouldn't dare portray a woman as an evil lunatic so they tried to make it a girl power movie. Kind of ironic that they said Joker was idolizing murderer incels yet they made a movie trying to justify why a woman would want to skin puppies.
 
yet they made a movie trying to justify why a woman would want to skin puppies.
That's the other thing...she is very friendly to dogs in the movie. She even has a pet dog since childhood. The movie is an origin story but it's about her and her mother. Dogs in this movie are friends and even the Dalmatians who pushed her stepmother off the balcony are treatened nicely. And at the end of the movie Cruella is the one who gives Pongo and Perdita to Roger and Anita. It doesn't make any sense!

Cruella in this movie is an alternate version, someone who doesn't wear fur, cares for dogs and for her friends. Even when she is "evil" she is still way to friendly to the people around her and trusts them. That's why the movie is unecessary. The character differs so much from the old animated and live action movie.

Glenn Close will forever be the best live action Cruella.
 
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So I recently watched Cruella the movie...and I don't get it.

It has great costumes, scenes and Emma Thompson is a great as Baroness von Hellman but it doesn't fit into the 101 Dalmatian universe. Cruella isn't punk and she isn't someone to feel sorry for and neither are her henchmen. Glenn Close embodied her perfectly. She doesn't need a tragic backstory, we don't need to see her parents and how she met Jasper and Horace. It works much better when they are just two criminals she hired to do the dirty work instead of them being childhood friends. What a dumb idea.

I think the movie got it entirely wrong - Cruella should have been the villain. The story should have been about a young woman who wants to take revenge on her. The Baroness should have been a second antagonist or a minor side character.

But the movie has no place in the canon. It's not the animated Cruella because movie takes place in the late 50s or early 60. It's not the 101/102 Dalmatians live action Cruella because she is an older woman and can't be Anitas schoolmate...and also Anita is white. It's not Cruella from the cartoon shows either. This Cruella is a new character from a new alternative universe and entirely unecessary.


Also congrats everyone for 11.000 posts! Fuck Disney!
That is a great point, the protagonist could have easily been Anita (pre-Roger) or an Anita replacement, since there's a fair bit of dialogue in the original film about their dynamic and how she's horrible to work for but Anita still feels a sense of loyalty to her. The stooges could have been good people who team up with the female protagonist to get back at someone who has taken advantage of them over and over. The Devil Wears Dogs?!!?! Come on, people.
 
The type of people you'd think would buy one
Come on, they look great.
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But the movie has no place in the canon.
Yup, that is why I completely forget that movie even exists. It was completely exited from my mind until I read your post. If you asked me to name live action Disney movies based on classic animated ones I would list Cinderella which everyone forgot about before I would remember Cruella.
 
If you asked me to name live action Disney movies based on classic animated ones I would list Cinderella which everyone forgot about before I would remember Cruella.
Another live action movie that everyone seemed to have forgot is the one based on the Disney version of Pooh.

 
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Glenn Close will forever be the best live action Cruella.
Nastily, she's credited as being executive producer of Cruella, but that's apparently only because she originated the character.

It's a shit film for many reasons, but the thing is almost nobody knows how to make a true villain movie, neither how to subvert them. The cruel irony of Joker was the director hated what people took from it and tore it up in everyone's face, but it WAS a true villain movie that resonated with people. They simply can't understand what makes evil interesting, in large part because they think themselves above it. What makes villains fascinating is the writers and the actors allow themselves to have empathy with their dark urged and vices. It needs introspection, a willingness to understand ones own flaws and draw on them as inspiration, which to them is obviously as foreign as fishing on Mars.
 
The cruel irony of Joker was the director hated what people took from it and tore it up in everyone's face, but it WAS a true villain movie that resonated with people. They simply can't understand what makes evil interesting, in large part because they think themselves above it.
This reminds me of how assmad Alan Moore got that people liked Rorschach for the "wrong" reasons. A major difference is Moore is basically a dick to everyone so it's not like him bitching about something like that is out of character, plus he's never been a gargantuan retard enough to burn down a successful franchise because he didn't like how people liked it.
 
Why is Ben Shapiro Snow White?
They wanted to cast Abigail Shapiro but Ben was all they could get.
i meant tvs in disney resorts they advertise castingbof youtube etc but recently blocked all but disney streaming programs.
I'm tempted to rant performatively, but Disney has boiled their audience down to sycophantic mongoloids who deserve what they get.
 
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