Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Deepland Bystander]

Do you think there will be a breaking point for troons or do you think we will forget about all this and act like it never happened like society seemingly does with every goverment-aided epidemic like obesity and the opiod crisis? Do you think that will also reach a breaking point, like people finally putting their foot down the next time something crazy like this pops up?

I think troonism will eventually fall out of fashion but I doubt there will be a big reckoning. There might be a breaking point but then it'll be quickly scrubbed out and everyone will pretend they've always been critical of troons.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

Is the only way to beat troonism once and for all to appeal to nature? By nature I mean the philosophical/theological version of nature, not the typical definition.

Every troon/poon is a human being by nature, but they're also either a man or woman by nature as well. One might claim they're a AMAB or AFAB with a different nature from their assigned gender, but I would argue this is impossible because that would imply a metaphysical mix up, a metaphysical mistake that is. Mistakes don't happen on the Metaphysical level, so it stands to reason that the aforementioned rebuttal couldn't possibly hold water.

"Ehrm, but what about intersex people "

A valid question. The way I see it there's only two real solutions to this.

A( You simply allow said intersex people the liberty to decide on their own what nature their sex is.

B( You abandon the gender binary, and classify every intersex disorder as its own gender.

Either one works I suppose, but neither is satisfactory; regardless, intersex people make up such a low percentage of the population that either solution wouldn't effect the average person on a day to day level.

 

[Dang dirty Pidgeons!]

I am guessing that this shows that the average gay male has less estrogen in the brain than the average straight male.

It just shows that rats become 50% gay on average, if you give them letrozole.
I'm not even stanning for teh gays. It's just a logical fallacy and it bothered me.
But that mechanism may very well be at play for those men in dresses
but those aren't even always gay. Tho they are some kind of fruity...
They cause almost 100% rats to become gay if they feed them estrogen directly after birth and neuter them. OR something, don't really remember exactly.
So there's more effective methods to cause teh gay.
It's also lots of different mechanisms, only few of which we even know about.
Google it, people do these kinds of heinous experiments, as you are obviously also aware.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Is the only way to beat troonism once and for all to appeal to nature? By nature I mean the philosophical/theological version of nature, not the typical definition.

Most if not all modern mindset issues could be fixed with a week in the woods with dad. No gooning, no boozing, no drooning, no trooning, no coffee, no social media. Truly touch grass and realize what matters; certainly not the opinions of people 7 timezones away who never saw you in real life.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

I don't think there is a perfect answer, but a number of partial ones has been proposed:

1) The rise of the internet. The internet amplifies so much of this with its hugboxes and abundant access to disturbing pornography. Shut down the internet for 3 years, and the number of transitions would plummet. Social media and pornography is not good for people.

2) People becoming less religious. Many of the most fervent trannybelievers are non-religious, yet are consumed by the most zealous religious thinking. It also explains why troondom has infected the left more than the right. Many of neo-atheist science-lovers bought fully into the TWAW catechism.

I also think there was an element of this that was a reactionary pushback towards feminism growing in influence - trans rights is a men's centred movement, but unlike the men's rightsy manospherian lot, had just enough plausible deniability to sneak under most people's radar until it was too late.

Of course, to what extent this was an organic reaction and to what extent it was deliberately pushed depends on how conspiratorial your thinking is, I suppose.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

I also think there was an element of this that was a reactionary pushback towards feminism growing in influence - trans rights is a men's centred movement, but unlike the men's rightsy manospherian lot, had just enough plausible deniability to sneak under most people's radar until it was too late.

Of course, to what extent this was an organic reaction and to what extent it was deliberately pushed depends on how conspiratorial your thinking is, I suppose.

I'm just going to plug the Inauthentic Selves article here for anyone who hasn't read it. I agree that it's an MRA movement in a skirt - once I read about peacocking it became pretty obvious that it's the same thing - but the way it took over society basically seems to be because non-profits were running out of ways to make cash from gay rights once gay marriage passed and moved on to trans rights instead. So much of it is recycled, like that 'some people are gay/trans. get over it!' t-shirt. Stonewall is the ground zero for all this.

Inauthentic Selves: The modern LGBTQ+ Movement Is Run By Philanthropic Astroturf And Based On Junk Science

How the LGBT community got suckered by Big Business and Big Philanthropy.

suedonym.substack.com

I think the MRAs wanted to be catered to the way women cater to gay men that doesn't exist any more (if it ever did, because it would have been financially transactional for straight people) between hetero men and women. Faghag women encourage gay men's unhealthy self-centred hedonistic lifestyles and freedom to fuck whoever they want, while providing emotional support, having their babies (surrogacy), basically being substitute mothers. Tradwives as so often former porn stars and do such a particular milkmaid impression that there's already a lot of discussion about how camp the whole thing is from gay people. It's all about trying to get the same support dynamic from women while also being able to fuck them.

 

[Space Police]

Preferred pronouns is the dumbest thing ever -- not because woke is bad or whatever, but because it's a non-issue even within the framework of trans! You never use gendered pronouns in English when talking to someone directly, so it only matters when you're talking about the person to someone else, and most of the time they aren't there for that conversation, so what does it matter to them? On top of that, don't they realize that gendered pronouns are just a descriptor of how others see them and not whether or not their identities are valid? If you really feel like a cloudgender xe/fae deep down, nobody else can ruin that feeling, so what do you care about whether or not people acknowledge that?

Also, having seen a whole bunch of MTF troons in person for the first time recently, I have to say it's laughable that they think they can pass in person. Maybe I'm just too much of a Kiwi autist for this to get past me, but even still, many of them made zero effort to get rid of their stubble, and they dressed in the most awkward, stand-out ways (sun dresses when everyone else is wearing winter clothes and comfy clothes). Most of the stories they tell about how they get complimented in public are probably either fake or leftist virtue-signalling, which isn't the same as passing. I have no idea how straight men can get tricked by trannies; they'd have to either be REALLY desperate or REALLY drunk.

 

[Paper Machete]

I agree that it's an MRA movement in a skirt

MRA is basically dead. It was never really much of a thing. Couldn't be because feminists viciously protect their special rights in this arena. To the point not even being in opposition to them but trying to put forth questions and light criticism gets you attacked even as a woman yourself. Dead in the water straw man.

Trans is not about men generally and never was. It's a perverts rights movement that metastasized from progressive movements tendency to support anything that goes against what they consider to be tradition. That is the meat and potatoes of it.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

MRA is basically dead. It was never really much of a thing. Couldn't be because feminists viciously protect their special rights in this arena. To the point not even being in opposition to them but trying to put forth questions and light criticism gets you attacked even as a woman yourself. Dead in the water straw man.

Trans is not about men generally and never was. It's a perverts rights movement that metastasized from progressive movements tendency to support anything that goes against what they consider to be tradition. That is the meat and potatoes of it.

Except troons themselves make memes about how they had mra or incels phases or there are two paths. You're sticking to the literal self-identified MRAs which aren't around any more to be as literal as possible, and technically correct the best kind of correct as reddit would say, but say MRA and everyone thinks of Andrew Tate etc just as much.
If troons are men in skirts, and they are, then it's a movement about giving men access to women's bathrooms, dating, scholarships, etc. It's a Men's Rights movement. Nobody gives a fuck about FTMs, they're only gaining some ground now as detransitioners.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Yes, it’s obviously literally a men’s rights movement. Even the more “traditional” type of MRAs are found in the Troon community though. A lot of troons are self-admitted “former” MRAs and incels. They usually blame it on “I was insecure in my masculinity and overcompensating.” Actually, a lot of them continue to outright spout MRA beliefs about how women “have it better” and men are oppressed by conscription etc.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

Yes, it’s obviously literally a men’s rights movement. Even the more “traditional” type of MRAs are found in the Troon community though. A lot of troons are self-admitted “former” MRAs and incels. They usually blame it on “I was insecure in my masculinity and overcompensating.” Actually, a lot of them continue to outright spout MRA beliefs about how women “have it better” and men are oppressed by conscription etc.

Well, MRAs have a point.

Do pooners sign on for selective service when they turn 18 and are in the United States? I bet they don't.

EDIT: Also, boys in America can have their genitals mutilated for no good reason at all. No consent, just that the parents want it. After the Skrmetti oral arguments, I've read a lot of trans ideologists saying 'well, if you don't think children should be surgically interfered with, then why don't you want to ban circumcision?' and then get hundreds of likes.

Yes, oh my god, ban circumcision! Stop mutilating baby boys! If anything good comes out of trans madness it would be that.

 

[Cemetery Support]

I just really, really hate them. That is all.

Ehrm, but what about intersex people "

A valid question. The way I see it there's only two real solutions to this.

Hasty generalization. Intersex people are rare and showed up in this world 12 different kinds of genetically fucked up. Appealing to an outlier in a set is stupid and everyone knows that.

 

[TismFarmer]

I know you're joking, but I also think you're right. Couldn't they just delegate one appropriately-sized prison in the US for transwomen and bypass most of the current problems with troon inmates?

The pitch would be that everyone there understands the struggle and they can support each other. No brute male inmates or catty women-born-women abusing them emotionally, just healing and rehabilitation among their own people at last. That's what they want, right?

They do have a special tranny prison. IIRC they have all kinds of expensive technology to use, unlimited free time, better food etc and its still underused because trannys want to be with women, not in their super extravagantly expensive troon resort.
Edited to Add: I just remembered the biggest reason why there were only about 17 prisoners in a space ring fenced for hundreds. It's because they weren't allowed to transfer there if they were sex offenders, so only 17 qualified...

 

[deermeat]

2Is wearing a binder bad? Ive been thinking on getting one for non pooner reasons, I just like a flatter chest- dunno if my boobs would be too big though. I know corsets exist and arent as bad as what myths made it out to be, so I wonder if binders are inherently bad or if its like corsets. I feel like it could also be good for potential cosplay.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I wonder if binders are inherently bad

They are. Long-term compression of the breasts destroys connective tissue. A binder is like a really badly fitted bra.

Source: my wife's friend who fits bras for a living.

 

[LimeRikki]

2Is wearing a binder bad? Ive been thinking on getting one for non pooner reasons, I just like a flatter chest- dunno if my boobs would be too big though. I know corsets exist and arent as bad as what myths made it out to be, so I wonder if binders are inherently bad or if its like corsets. I feel like it could also be good for potential cosplay.

Don't. You are still feeding your body dysmorphia - using a new excuse for the same self destructive behaviors you are trying to shed doesn't suddenly justify the self destructive behavior.

I'm going to give you an excerise that benifitted me when I was a much younger, headstrong Lime.

Go to your local craft store and purchase the following:

1 ball of Loop crochet yarn:

(Because the loops are already there, you do not need a crochet needle/ hook. This craft is finger crochet and is done by hand alone.)
And a small bag of craft stuffing/polyfill:

Following a tutorial like the one linked, make yourself a blanket. Post a pic in the crafts section of the BP. Get a feeling of accomplishment and stickers.

InB4: "I already know how to crochet" learn how to carve wood and make a spoon. The process is the point.

If you reach the end of the project and hate crochet, pick a new craft, learn it and make something. Do this until you find something you find fun and stick with it.

This might seem like a lot. It is. Do it anyway, its healthier than feeding into to your body based neuroticism.

ETA: I'm retarded, you don't need polyfill if you are just making a blanket. If the blanket seems too easy make a simple crochet sphere and stuff it instead.

 

[Susanna]

2Is wearing a binder bad? Ive been thinking on getting one for non pooner reasons, I just like a flatter chest- dunno if my boobs would be too big though. I know corsets exist and arent as bad as what myths made it out to be, so I wonder if binders are inherently bad or if its like corsets. I feel like it could also be good for potential cosplay.

Look up some pooner mastectomy before-after collages. The before pictures are what wearing a binder regularly will do to you. Think granny tits at age 25. Corsets are different because they’re mainly for support (and can actually be pretty comfy), waist suppression/tightlacing isn’t mandatory.

Have you considered just getting really skinny?

 

[2mm and 99 others]

I think one of the reasons a lot of pooners-to-be & other women with dysmorphia hate their tits, is that the support garment (aka bra) is supposed to be worn as underwear right on the body, while it's uncomfortable, strangling, from synthetic materials etc., and that's a PROBLEM when one has some kind of oversensitivity caused by neurodivergency (as we all know, trannies be autistic af).
While in history, not everyone was rich enough for a corset, but look at any euros' folk costume or everyday work dress, most of those have some kind of bodice or vest with lacing in the front, back or on the sides and it's worn over an undershirt.
Now, as modern elastic and light materials exist and with the crop-top fashion of last years, visible underwear has been already normalized, why should be the tit-restraining garment worn right on the body the only fashionable choice?

 

[Paper Machete]

I think one of the reasons a lot of pooners-to-be & other women with dysmorphia hate their tits, is that the support garment (aka bra) is supposed to be worn as underwear right on the body, while it's uncomfortable, strangling, from synthetic materials etc., and that's a PROBLEM when one has some kind of oversensitivity caused by neurodivergency (as we all know, trannies be autistic af).
While in history, not everyone was rich enough for a corset, but look at any euros' folk costume or everyday work dress, most of those have some kind of bodice or vest with lacing in the front, back or on the sides and it's worn over an undershirt.
Now, as modern elastic and light materials exist and with the crop-top fashion of last years, visible underwear has been already normalized, why should be the tit-restraining garment worn right on the body the only fashionable choice?

There are lots of different types of bras on the market today and of course sizing correctly determines a lot with comfort. A lot of girls growing up never learn how to correctly size or how to find different types that will work better for them. Unfortunately, with pooners they've already decided they do not need such help and will just shut you down when you try to help them be more comfortable. It's self reinforcing.

We can speculate all day what variables go into it but mostly it's just a brain worm and once they get it everything is seen through that lens rather than the other way around.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Probably a controversial opinion on the Farms but trannyism has more or less always existed in every human culture, it's not "unusual" in terms of human history but it is unusual in that it's celebrated by the mainstream elites now. I support people who have had actual diagnoses of gender dysphoria doing the needful and going on hormones, transitioning, etc.

But as a fashion statement? Bullshit. I suppose saying all that puts me in the mindset of a general live and let live person from 50 years ago who just knew of Christine Jorgensen and probably some drag queens / crossdressers. But 50 years ago the trannies mostly just wanted to blend in and live their lives and not whip their dicks out in the women's locker rooms and demand to be celebrated as TRUE AND HONEST WOMEN.