Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

Riding horses is also really easy, kids can be taught to ride before they know how to walk ffs. Training an adult for the role to do both would be like a day. The Lara croft actress also and most importantly needs to know how to act, which rules out Ollie. And you know not a man.
I'm sure it's not that hard to get the basics with a well behaved horse, but I'm just curious if he's bullshitting. It's not very common for city boys to have experience with horses, and it's funny to me if his tweet was 100% fiction.
 
I'm sure it's not that hard to get the basics with a well behaved horse, but I'm just curious if he's bullshitting. It's not very common for city boys to have experience with horses, and it's funny to me if his tweet was 100% fiction.
Counterpoint, he's posh.
Newcastle is a very small city with a fuck load of very rural countryside very close by.
The gross video he made called Why I want to fuck the queen, or something, his big fat man arse was at one point sat on a poor little mare who he was far too big for.
Like literally there are guidelines about sizes and horses and he was well above and you could see the horse struggling.
The memory makes me MATI.
It was also the one where he powerleveled waaaay too hard about his family history (like every other posh poy is related to Charles the shagger/Second) leading to a lot of milky lore.
 
Riding horses is also really easy, kids can be taught to ride before they know how to walk ffs. Training an adult for the role to do both would be like a day. The Lara croft actress also and most importantly needs to know how to act, which rules out Ollie. And you know not a man.
Is it though? I don't know anything about horse riding, but I've read some spergouts about modern pentathlon during the Paris Olympics.
They are replacing it with bicycling, and I've seen comments explaining that these athletes train horse riding like once a month and they are very bad at it putting both themselves and the horses at risk and causing animals additional distress: a link about horse riding removal from the modern pentathlon.
 
Is it though? I don't know anything about horse riding, but I've read some spergouts about modern pentathlon during the Paris Olympics.
I think there's quite a gulf of difference between being able to ride a horse and being able to make the horse dance at an Olympic level. I do think animal stuff should be removed from the Olympics (and sport in general) though. It's needlessly cruel and also dressage is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen.
 
I think there's quite a gulf of difference between being able to ride a horse and being able to make the horse dance at an Olympic level. I do think animal stuff should be removed from the Olympics (and sport in general) though. It's needlessly cruel and also dressage is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen.
The pentathlon event is equestrian show jumping. While that falls under the horse riding category I imagine theres a world of difference between that and taking a horse for a trot. I agree that riding a horse at a walking pace is very easy, any able bodied person who is light enough can likely do it. I guess he was just trying to flex how posh he is bc these are all rich person hobbies in the UK ( ?).
 
In the pentathlon event it's supposed to simulate a soldier having to grab a random horse and making a run for it. It's not even under the umbrella of the actual horse events at the olympics. It's very odd. I remember the drama with it was centered around a girl who punched the horse because it wasn't acting the way she wanted. I think it may have refused a jump or something. You have to set them up properly for it, so that's on her for not knowing how to fucking ride.

Staying on a horse that's dead broke is relatively easy. Doing anything else takes skill. I'd assume the horses for TV/movies are trained babysitters if they're meant to be used with people who may not have experience.
 
Chube is going to montana. Cow crossover with Zoey Zephyr and Tony reed?
Also apparently Hank green is a fan of the choobster
I thought he was going to montana for reed and zephyr but didn’t realize it was their wedding. Thats great.
Oliver was indeed at the Lolcow wedding of the year, between Tony Reed and Zack Zephyr.
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The happy lesbian couple.
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The wedding party.
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"That's Abi in a blue velvet dress baby"
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Damsel in distress.
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Political commentary.
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Girl power.
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Artistic advice.
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Tranny talk.
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Ahead of the game, as ever.
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Turned down a VO role.
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Tranny talk.
The clinical rationale for transition is as follows: gender dysphoria is a crippling mental health problem. There is no way to treat gender dysphoria to make it go away. No therapy can make someone experiencing gender dysphoria stop experiencing gender dysphoria. Side note I do actually agree with this take; I just think the majority of our cows do not have gender dysphoria. Therefore the only clinical pathway is to provide affirming procedures to try and reduce the patient's suffering. This has been the rationale for transgender healthcare since the early 20th century, predating even the knowledge of hormones. Psychiatrists basically adopted the attitude of "they won't fit in as they are and they might hurt themselves, so we'll try and support them in trying to be something else" and as I've extensively written about, basically all hinges on someone having an opposite gender soul - which feeds off Karl Heinrich Ulrichs's concept of sexual inversion as an explanation of homosexuality based on Prussian ideas about intersex conditions going back to the Enlightenment.

Ollie sometimes attempts to reframe the issue as "trans people have an unfortunate hormonal imbalance and birth defects, so they should be offered procedures to help fix their issues - you'd treat a cis girl with hirsutism, so you should treat a trans girl the same". But he often overplays his hand and lets us know what he really thinks. "Wanna transition? Awesome, here's a list of side effects to watch out for and here's the risks. Your reasons are your own, nobody else needs to know them". On paper, sure. I agree. If you want to have a bunch of cosmetic procedures then that's down to you. Your body, your choice. But the NHS has no reason to cover elective procedures. If you want a boob job and a tracheal shave and cheekbone implants, my money shouldn't be used to cover it, you can pay your own way. Cis people who want a tummy tuck or a rhinoplasty or a breast augmentation don't get it for free, even if it would help them look like they want or address an insecurity.

And that's still only on paper. There's also a duty of care for clinicians. If someone wants to cut their arm off, we don't let them do it even if they're willing to pay out of pocket. Procedures like breast reduction due to pain or hysterectomy due to endometriosis are heavily gatekept due to the potential surgical risks and possibility of surgical regret. A man who wants big muscles isn't legally allowed to just go buy some steroids. If this is all about personal choice, well sorry but your personal choices don't always get to be enabled. The proposed affirmation-everything model is completely at odds with how healthcare works in this country.

Anyway, I have an awful hangover from excessive Christmas carousing and have welched out on my wholesome December Sunday activities to lie in a dark room and sip berocca by myself. Now, I've never listened to "Kill James Bond". James Bond is not a franchise I have strong feelings about; I watch it if I'm bored flipping channels and it's on ITV2, but I don't love or hate it. I also don't generally enjoy action movies, which is a lot of what that podcast is about. But I did see Spice World in the cinema when it came out, so I decided, since I'm having a duvet day, I'll watch Spice World and then listen to Ollie's podcast about it.

Initial thoughts: Spice World is the perfect hangover film and human civilisation peaked with 1990s Cool Britannia London. I also forgot how many celebrity cameos there were in this and how post modern/meta the whole plot was, and I think I'm going to force some of the kids to watch Spice World on Boxing Day. My unexpected favourite scene after the Spice Bus jumping Tower Bridge was Ginger Spice and Scary Spice arguing about chess, although the flashforward to motherhood, the costume photoshoot and finding the bomb on the Spice Bus are definitely up there. The credits sequence is hilarious. Also it's entertaining how outlandish the Spice Girls outfits were at the time, but young people dress quite like them today (rather than how normal people dressed in the 90s).

I could go on. The main point of the film is a corny but sweet message about "girl power", specifically about the Spice Girls disregarding a show at the Royal Albert Hall to support their friend who's having a baby and has been abandoned by her boyfriend. There's some things are a little bit iffy like Baby Spice (although her getting bribed with a milk chocolate magnum made me snort) and that Ginger Spice's entire character is basically "aggressive tart" but honestly I can't really criticise it, the film is pure serotonin. It's also incredibly inclusive of LGBT for the 90s, the girls party with drag queens in the Ministry of Sound and Richard E Grant's assistant/love interest wears an AIDS ribbon.

Bonus screenshot from when Ginger Spice is asked if she likes boys and responds "is the Pope a Catholic?"
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It turns out that Spice World podcast episode is only a 10 minute preview. Devon chose the film, and he and Alice are enthused about it, whereas Ollie mostly tries to chip in. He claims that the reason there's 5 Spice Girls is because it's from "before the global financial crisis, so that's the sort of ridiculously profligate thing you could do". I will agree that it was weird seeing Victoria Beckham before she was fully Victoria Beckham. They make some noises about Mel B being Scary Spice because she's black. Ollie namedrops the fact that he went out drinking with "friend of the show" Alan Cumming (who he also hung out with in Paris). Without powerlevelling, I'll just say that getting to meet Alan Cumming and going drinking with him is not actually that difficult, it turns out. Devon points out that this was Alan Cumming's favourite film to work on. Ollie comes in with the groundbreaking insight that there's a lot of class/media analysis in this film, which is something the film explicitly hammers home over and over again.

If this is what their podcast is like, it's clearly one of the more entry level film criticism podcasts out there. I'd subscribe to their Patreon to hear the rest (and how Ollie brings in Judith Butler, when Spice World was never claiming to be anything over than pro-woman vs "deconstructing femininity") but my Patreon has my real name so they might see it.

What I will say is I don't think we noticed they have new cover art;
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The guy in the suit is their producer, apparently. I have to wonder if they hired a fetish artist based on how Ollie and Alice are depicted.
 
Oliver was indeed at the Lolcow wedding of the year, between Tony Reed and Zack Zephyr.
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The happy lesbian couple.
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The wedding party.
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"That's Abi in a blue velvet dress baby"
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Damsel in distress.
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Political commentary.
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Girl power.
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Artistic advice.
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Tranny talk.
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Ahead of the game, as ever.
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Turned down a VO role.
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There’s a lot I want to say about this, but I’ll just stick to the photos you posted for right now.
Concerning Oliver:
Does Oliver have a stuffed monkey on his hotel bed?
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Dandruff and a digitally-altered ear. How does he manage to have both in the same selfie? Shouldn’t “dried scalp skin flaking off into one’s hair” be mutually exclusive with “spent an hour doctoring in post”?

Concerning the Tranny Gala:
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Maybe I’m conservative, but I like this dress. Have no clue what those shoes or belt are supposed to be doing, because it’s not working.
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Is that a plastic take-away cup on the altar before their wedding ceremony?
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No one could be bothered to iron this out? Shouldn’t doing housework get at least one of these dudes off?
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Gotta love when your wedding photographs have two garbage cans in the shot. Elegant.
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And, of course, no wedding would be complete without two gigantic glowing signs telling you to get the fuck out.

Conclusion:
Truly hideous. Everything and everyone in this horrid affair needed a woman’s touch. It’s just so lazy and half-assed. The white walls and obnoxious lighting makes it feel like they got married in a high school gymnasium. Wretched to behold, and I bet they played some awful music and there was a lot of loud male clomping around in clickety-clackity shoes. Sensory nightmare.
 
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Maybe I’m conservative, but I like this dress. Have no clue what those shoes or belt are supposed to be doing, because it’s not working.
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Unfortunately, that groomsman is not Ollie. They're both wearing navy, but Ollie appears to be wearing a polo neck velvet (velour?) gown with asymmetric sleeves, whereas that dress is a more traditional number with a sheer caplet. I'd agree that's a nice dress that man picked out, besides pairing it with converse Tony appears to have picked a wedding dress that makes him look like he's hulking out. It cost $500 so he could have gotten something more flattering. The other "bride" had a nice dress though, he just looks bad because men don't tend to suit wedding dresses - it's just not as unflattering as Tony's.
Fingers crossed we get a full length look at Ollie's outfit because I'm sure it's awful, I just assume he's probably going to be one of the better dressed wedding guests since the bar is so low at that wedding.
 
Unfortunately, that groomsman is not Ollie. They're both wearing navy, but Ollie appears to be wearing a polo neck velvet (velour?) gown with asymmetric sleeves, whereas that dress is a more traditional number with a sheer caplet. I'd agree that's a nice dress that man picked out, besides pairing it with converse Tony appears to have picked a wedding dress that makes him look like he's hulking out. It cost $500 so he could have gotten something more flattering. The other "bride" had a nice dress though, he just looks bad because men don't tend to suit wedding dresses - it's just not as unflattering as Tony's.
Fingers crossed we get a full length look at Ollie's outfit because I'm sure it's awful, I just assume he's probably going to be one of the better dressed wedding guests since the bar is so low at that wedding.
Oliver probably likes being friends with such dweebs because he gets to look normal by comparison. And I knew the person in the plum dress wasn’t Olly, I was just remarking upon how no one there knew what was happening.
 
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