Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Frederica Bernkastel]

. What's notable is his stance now differs so much from an earlier point when he was clear on supporting Ukraine

In politics, there is often a public position and a private position. I'd be more interested in Trump's private position and what he said to Zelensky.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

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What about when Russia first invaded, using chemical weapons or kidnapping and trafficking thousands of innocent civilians and children?

It's OK because their buddy Putin was doing it. The fact that most modern right-wingers think Putin is their ally goes to show how paste-eating retarded they are. They make the SJWs look sane by comparison.

 

[Ghostse]

he words weren't harsh or clearly towards Ukraine, meaning the typical media take seems a bit clickbaity.

That's what I'm guessing happened, I still haven't seen the full quote + context, but I'm guessing he gave some vague generic "killing people outside of the war zone is bad".
I mean it would have been better if he called Putin a dickless cuck who can't defeat a smaller nation, but that's not traditionally very good statecraft.

> the comments on the objectives of SMO and blown up general completely ignored
> even though virtually all of NATO is at war with us, it's too expensive for them to produce enough shells or something
> our economy and production only got stronger, Russia will not look weak in the eyes of Trump
> we will ignore what others demand and will only pursue our national interests
> we haven't lost in Syria because we were fighting with terrorists and the people who took over are not terrorists xaxaxa
> everyone in and around Syria are begging us to keep our bases there, but we have to think about that

Translate from vatnigger cope:

> We have other generals, who cares. As long as I have control over the media I can keep lying about the SMO, why would I give a solitary fuck about my own citizens?
> We purposely started the war while Scranton, Mesquite, and Parsons were off-line for upgrades. Now that Scranton and Mesquite are partly back online and spinning up to full production, we are pretty well fucked once Parsons is back online and Camden scales up, so if you could let us win before hand, that'd be great. This was supposed to be over before you could start running those things full tilt, and its got us over a barrel because we know from all the lend-lease we got what's coming once things spin all the up. But we have serious faith the the Eurocucks will get bored and decide they need to give their niggers bigger welfare checks.
> What's left of our uninsured fleet of ancient, rusting tankers will make sure we are getting foreign currency worth more than the paper its printed on.
> BRICS is future because everyone will do what we say.
> We've won hugely in Syria, freeing up a bunch of troops and equipment so we can win even more in our SMO. Why would we want to waste resources on foreign bases we don't need now that the terrorists are defeated? With our help I might add. HTS only took over because we, Russia, was bombing ISIS.
> Iran is begging us to try to give them some way to keep smuggling weapons to Hezbollah. Turkey is going to tell us to go fuck ourselves, and I'm not sure there is enough of an economy left to buy off E-dog but we're going to try. Previous generations of Russians had success buying off the Turks with large numbers of supple prepubescent boys, and Putin is willing to make the sacrifice of tapping into his personal reserve if it will help.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I think Estonia is probably more solid ...but they're Estonia.

UK, having somehow avoided the worst bits of USSR sleeper agents ratfucking their government and avoiding the general failure that is "being french", seems to understand the threat Russia poses. Maybe over compensation for Chamberlains "Peace in our time". They are also squarely in the "In range of all of Russia's nuclear options" so vested interest in the Soviets imploding.

Or its a case of a dying empire trying to regain their pride by bashing the reanimating corpse of a dead empire.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

A nuclear armed dying empire being kept alive by the western world because nobody wants to chance the final death spasms being more than just biological pissing and sharting all over the place.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I was wondering about efficacy of laser weapons to combat the ever growing drone problem at some point before. Seems like a perfect tool for the job, in theory it shouldn't be as expensive as expendable anti-air missiles, which are generally reserved for more valuable targets, and there's practically no risk of collateral damage compared to firearms.

Lasers poweful enough to melt drones have been around for a while now, the end goals were frying bigger, faster, higher flying things. But since cheap, comparitively fragile drones are the new hotness, they don't need to burn through miles of atmosphere, hardened fuselages, shielded sensors, etc; while the lasers themselves have become smaller & more efficient.

I remember 5-6 years ago (maybe longer) reading about US Army trials with truck/Stryker mounted lasers vs. hard-kill active protection systems (i.e. the Iron Fist we had at home). At the time they just quite couldn't cope with ATGMs and RPGs, so DoD development funding with APS; even though Switchblade & Lancet were already a thing. It's like they didn't figure anyone would be fielding loitering strike drones in significant enough numbers to bother with.

But evidently the UK kept going with lasers, and it looks like their bets are paying off; and now they have Ukraine for the ultimate field testing before scale production.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

A nuclear armed dying empire being kept alive by the western world because nobody wants to chance the final death spams being more than just biological pissing and sharting all over the place.

I meant the U.K. as the dying one, with the sun is setting on the British Empire.
But having a big-dick moment on their way out by dabbing on reddit-tier necromancer Putin trying to raise the corpse of the USSR from the dead with himself at the helm.

 

[BlackDragoons]

A nuclear armed dying empire being kept alive by the western world because nobody wants to chance the final death spams being more than just biological pissing and sharting all over the place.

Russia is a fucking nightmare, i don't know how many times I've talked to Russians who moved to the US and compare the whole country to Detroit. If your not elite your some white trash slav living in squalor.

 

[Thomas Talus]

The fact that most modern right-wingers think Putin is their ally goes to show how paste-eating retarded they are.

I don't think it's most, just an extremely loud and terminally online contingent.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Russia is a fucking nightmare, i don't know how many times I've talked to Russians who moved to the US and compare the whole country to Detroit. If your not elite your some white trash slav living in squalor.

And yet a sizable minority of Americans had russophilia since the mid 19th century for reasons. At least when Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and the rest of their commie bros were incharge. Those American russophiles were correctly labeled as communists and useful idiots. Putin era American russophiles are mostly fear the nuke contrarians who can't see the future past the current presidential term. The noncontrarians are the ones who never travel outside of Moscow and/or St. Petersburg tourist areas.

Which is a massively huge contrast to the Americans who have actually traveled in Russia. Where is there's no escaping the reality of what Russia is really like outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Russia could be a shining first-world city with a top HDI, and it literally doesn't matter. The fact most Russians live in squalor is utterly irrelevant.
What's relevant is the Russian regime openly sees itself as our enemies and has launched a ruthless war of conquest with the long-term goal of undermining America and the greater West.

We're just lucky their neighbors are fighting back.

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

I meant the U.K. as the dying one, with the sun is setting on the British Empire.
But having a big-dick moment on their way out by dabbing on reddit-tier necromancer Putin trying to raise the corpse of the USSR from the dead with himself at the helm.

Forget Iran, the UK will absolutely be the first Islamic state with nuclear weapons. Real ones, too, and not some pitiful tribal attempt at Tony Starking an ICBM in a sandpit with a box of scraps.

 

[Ghostse]

And yet a sizable minority of Americans had russophilia since the mid 19th century for reasons. At least when Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and the rest of their commie bros were incharge. Those American russophiles were correctly labeled as communists and useful idiots. Putin era American russophiles are mostly fear the nuke contrarians who can't see the future past the current presidential term. The noncontrarians are the ones who never travel outside of Moscow and/or St. Petersburg tourist areas.

Which is a massively huge contrast to the Americans who have actually traveled in Russia. Where is there's no escaping the reality of what Russia is really like outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg.

The general inversion of who supports Russia pretty amazing.

What's also amazing is that despite doing all the things "anti-imperialists" hate like annexing other countries and mettling in their affairs, and being completely politically opposite from Putin, they & the commies still suck off Russia and Putin endlessly. Its sort of amazing.

Russia has nearly outlawed faggots, refuses (well, refused. Lol literal Nigers in their combat teams now) nigger invasion, and rejected a bunch of international insanity and is very open about doing things that nakedly benefit Russia (when I say "Russia" I don't mean the people, I mean Putin's friends in power) with no quibbling.

So you have people who want to reject foreign globohomo bullshit envious, and anyone who has any issue with the established order liking a leader who doesn't weasel work his support for his country's interests (again, the interests of him and his friends in power). When Putin repeats MoD utter fiction, this is excused as "smartly playing the game".
Basically if Trump hadn't had the Clintons poison the well on him, and he stayed in power for two decades, he might also have a portrait hanging in the kollege kommies klubhouses.

Putin also gets fans because he proves the "international order" as fake and gay. Putin does whatever he wants because his opponents are spineless Euocucks who sold him their their energy sectors, so anyone who hates the utterly cucked and gay UN would enjoy Putin's showing them as emperors with no clothes.

But mainly, he gets as much of a shine job as he does because he doesn't affect anyone's daily life being a shirtless horseriding Tsar. If more people had to deal with the direct consequences of his dictatoring, it wouldn't be cute and funny anymore.
See: Baltics.

Russia could be a shining first-world city with a top HDI, and it literally doesn't matter. The fact most Russians live in squalor is utterly irrelevant.
What's relevant is the Russian regime openly sees itself as our enemies and has launched a ruthless war of conquest with the long-term goal of undermining America and the greater West.

We're just lucky their neighbors are fighting back.

Russia views everyone as either a subject or enemy. Actually its not even Russians, its pretty much just Moscow & St. Pete.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Lasers poweful enough to melt drones have been around for a while now, the end goals were frying bigger, faster, higher flying things. But since cheap, comparitively fragile drones are the new hotness, they don't need to burn through miles of atmosphere, hardened fuselages, shielded sensors, etc; while the lasers themselves have become smaller & more efficient.

I remember 5-6 years ago (maybe longer) reading about US Army trials with truck/Stryker mounted lasers vs. hard-kill active protection systems (i.e. the Iron Fist we had at home). At the time they just quite couldn't cope with ATGMs and RPGs, so DoD development funding with APS; even though Switchblade & Lancet were already a thing. It's like they didn't figure anyone would be fielding loitering strike drones in significant enough numbers to bother with.

But evidently the UK kept going with lasers, and it looks like their bets are paying off; and now they have Ukraine for the ultimate field testing before scale production.

Some of these damn things could be downed with a strong enough magnifying glass, since they're made of anything from cardboard to cheap plastic. It's going to be interesting to see if laser countermeasures against drones become commonplace.

Russia views everyone as either a subject or enemy. Actually its not even Russians, its pretty much just Moscow & St. Pete.

That's how it's been for centuries. Massacre of Novgorod, all that.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Smergmasisters, can trad based Russophile Robert Fico truly be able to threaten conflict against Ukraine after Slovakia already sent a fuckton of its military equipment there??:

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

This was interesting and informative:
Source: Twitter / Telegram

Full PDF (untranslated) attached

 

[Lt. H. DuBois]

Hey gentlemen sorry to come in here and tard out but what do any of you view as the end to this conflict? All things must come to an end, this is simply my personal take but I feel like Ukraine will cede certain Western parts of the country, Luhansk peoples Republic and such, and most unfortunately I feel like the Ukrainians will be pressured to let the Russkies keep Crimea ansd most importantly Sevastopol, what do you think?

 

[MG-34]

Hey gentlemen sorry to come in here and tard out but what do any of you view as the end to this conflict? All things must come to an end, this is simply my personal take but I feel like Ukraine will cede certain Western parts of the country, Luhansk peoples Republic and such, and most unfortunately I feel like the Ukrainians will be pressured to let the Russkies keep Crimea ansd most importantly Sevastopol, what do you think?

I think Russia can (and should be) pushed to a position where they can't afford to keep this war going and withdraw to pre-2014 lines after feeding whatever line of cope bullshit vatnik ziggers need to hear to keep them from hanging themselves. The Black Sea Fleet was always a white elephant and a useless expenditure for the Russian government and the country should focus on properly exploiting its internal resources and unfucking it's long neglected infrastructure as well at least get a majority of its people a working modern toilet before setting itself on international affairs that require a fleet in the Black Sea.

 

[Lt. H. DuBois]

I think Russia can (and should be) pushed to a position where they can't afford to keep this war going and withdraw to pre-2014 lines after feeding whatever line of cope bullshit vatnik ziggers need to hear to keep themselves from hanging themselves. The Black Sea Fleet was always a white elephant and a useless expenditure for the Russian government and the country should focus on properly exploiting its internal resources and unfucking it's long neglected infrastructure as well at least get a majority of its people a working modern toilet before setting itself on international affairs that require a fleet in the Black Sea.

I feel that it is more a matter of national prestige at this point. I sincerely doubt that Big Bad Russia will withdraw without having anying to show for it. I think that maybe the best solution is that Ukraine agrees to cede certain Eastern territories that the Russians always go on about and in proving so they have demonstrated that the "Worlds Second Best" military isnt capable of rollinng over one of their former Republics in a month. I feel that this is telling, for example if the United States truly wanted to absorb Mexico Itd be a month long operation, that Mighty Russia cant bowl over little Ukraine in 3 years is maddness

 

[not william stenchever]

I'm just saying, Finland, Georgia, and Japan should look at Syria, and think about solving some of those outstanding problems with Russia. It's free real estate.

Poland is sad that you forgot to invite them too.