Todd In The Shadows

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Random Internet Person said:
And one more thing, I listened to that “Carnival” song Todd placed at #1 on the worst list. And it may be me, but I don’t think it’s all that bad. Certainly not #1 bad at the very least.
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Todd was pretty obviously stretching himself to find ten hit songs bad enough for the worst list. There's no world in which that Ben Shapiro meme rap song should have been eligible. I can see why he's looking forward to the best list more -- genuinely BAD hits are becoming rarer thanks to the way music is popularised now.

Speaking of the best list, I have some predictions. Chappell and Charli make it, obviously. Taste by Sabrina Carpenter will be ranked 6th exactly (Please Please Please gets an HM). He will refuse to give Not Like Us the #1 spot because it's "the easy pick", but spend an inordinate amount of time discussing it anyway, despite the existence of his 30-minute-long review and the fact that it fucking reeks. One of the spots on the lower half of the list will be taken by the country hit most likely to alienate his non-Yank viewerbase (free space). I consider unsubscribing and then remember he still has those OHW requests to fulfill.
 
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Doktor Grimm said:
Todd was pretty obviously stretching himself to find ten hit songs bad enough for the worst list. There's no world in which that Ben Shapiro meme rap song should have been eligible. I can see why he's looking forward to the best list more -- genuinely BAD hits are becoming rarer thanks to the way music is popularised now.

Speaking of the best list, I have some predictions. Chappell and Charli make it, obviously. Taste by Sabrina Carpenter will be ranked 6th exactly (Please Please Please gets an HM). He will refuse to give Not Like Us the #1 spot because it's "the easy pick", but spend an inordinate amount of time discussing it anyway, despite the existence of his 30-minute-long review and the fact that it fucking reeks. One of the spots on the lower half of the list will be taken by the country hit most likely to alienate his non-Yank viewerbase (free space). I consider unsubscribing and then remember he still has those OHW requests to fulfill.
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Still betting on "I Had Some Help" being on there. Maybe "End of Beginning" too, who knows.
 
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Doktor Grimm said:
. There's no world in which that Ben Shapiro meme rap song should have been eligible.
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I’m actually surprised Todd didn’t place that at #1. Maybe it would have shot down his credibility if he did considering it’s on the level of Rebecca Black’s Friday.

Now I’m just wondering if a left wing meme song will get a spot on the best list to bring balance to the spectrum (I hope it’s “Days of Girlhood” just to see how Todd justifies the pick. )
Doktor Grimm said:
Chappell and Charli make it, obviously. Taste by Sabrina Carpenter will be ranked 6th exactly (Please Please Please gets an HM). He will refuse to give Not Like Us the #1 spot because it's "the easy pick", but spend an inordinate amount of time discussing it anyway, despite the existence of his 30-minute-long review and the fact that it fucking reeks. One of the spots on the lower half of the list will be taken by the country hit most likely to alienate his non-Yank viewerbase (free space). I consider unsubscribing and then remember he still has those OHW requests to fulfill.
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-Not sure why Charli would be “obvious”, but I can see “Good Luck Babe” making the top 10. Maybe he’ll also try to include “Hot To Go”, though I’m not a fan of it.

-Those are some VERY specific predictions in regards to Sabrina Carpenter. Why so on the nose? You don’t get bonus points for placement outside the #1 spot.

-Sometimes the obvious/easy choice the the right one, but I can totally see Todd putting some song on the list (even at #1) and twisting himself into a pretzel to justify the pick, or he’ll do whatever he did with Olivia Rodrigo in the 2023 best list where he placed “Bad Idea, Right?” At #1 where most of the reasoning was…he was convinced why people like Olivia Rodrigo, who seems to like the same kind of music he does. (As good of a reason as any, but best song of the year? Maybe I’m just not one of her Stan’s.)

-I’m not sure of anyone who thinks “Not Like Us” blows chunks. The most scathing I can think of is what I’ve always said: it’s about a decade too late for this beef winner to be as amazing and impressive as Todd makes it out to be. Also, may be just me, but when I heard Kendrick’s voice in this track, I got reminded of Cat Daddy. At least a few days ago.


Lil Miku said:
It will be. Morgan Wallen had a surprisingly good feature on it too.
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Doktor Grimm said:
I've not heard I Had Some Help, but Google tells me it's a country song by Post Malone, which means it's definitely on the list.
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I remember Todd saying Post Malone’s “stock” improved this year, so I can see it.

Also, never forget the 180 Todd did after Morgan Wallen was found to be on camera saying the N word.
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Random Internet Person said:
Also, considering Dylan Mulvaney’s “Days of Girlhood” didn’t see the worst list, I started to wonder if Todd will try to sneak it into the best list, even as an honorable mention. If only to see how he justifies the placement .
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I'm pretty sure it literally didn't chart and was nowhere near popular at all, nobody knows it but people who follow Mulvaney and maybe a handful of people of TikTok remember it. It would be stupid to mention it or give it a spot at all.

Edit: it has a combined total of 130k likes/dislikes, compared to "FACTS" (another semi-online kind of song) , which has nearly 1 million combined. (770k plus 214k)
 
Todd put a Morgan Wallen song on his best list last year. He also put one of his songs on the worst list, but I think Posty can balance this one out.
 
Random Internet Person said:
Not sure why Charli would be “obvious”, but I can see “Good Luck Babe” making the top 10. Maybe he’ll also try to include “Hot To Go”, though I’m not a fan of it.
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He's barely touched on Brat since it released despite it being one of the biggest events in pop music this year (& a pretty good record to boot). I believe Todd was in touch with the hyperpop scene back when that was a Thing; if that's the case, I can't imagine he would pass up the chance to score some hipster cred by talking about AG Cook. There's the off chance that he just didn't care for the album or its singles that much, but my gut tells me he's saving it for the Best list.

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Those are some VERY specific predictions in regards to Sabrina Carpenter. Why so on the nose? You don’t get bonus points for placement outside the #1 spot.
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I'm getting strong #6 vibes. Go big or go home mfer.

Random Internet Person said:
I’m not sure of anyone who thinks “Not Like Us” blows chunks. The most scathing I can think of is what I’ve always said: it’s about a decade too late for this beef winner to be as amazing and impressive as Todd makes it out to be.
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Not like Us isn't fun, nor is it particularly smart. It's just four-and-a-half minutes of Kendrick weakly riffing on Drake for being a poser and a kid diddler (who knew!!) and yet people are creaming themselves over it as if K-God is the Lord's messenger delivering divine revelation to the benighted masses. So, basically, I agree with you.

The real issue lies a little deeper, though. It's not just that Kendrick was ten years late to the beef; that alone would make it weird, but not necessarily worthy of hate. The part that really doesn't sit well with me is that he chose to release Not Like Us at a time when accusations of pedophilia have never been more trendy. This leads me to SERIOUSLY doubt his intent. I really want to believe that Kendrick is a virtuous man with a strong sense of justice who put this song together out of righteous anger towards Drake and his behaviour... but, come ON. He's a rap insider. There's no way he didn't know about this stuff well before all of us.

What my cynical side tells me is that Kendrick was sitting on all this for a long, long time, with no desire to address it -- until he saw these scandals popping up left and right with people throwing around the word "pedo" like they were throwing around "Nazi" ten years ago, and figured he could generate some easy buzz by taking a potshot at one of the most well-known creeps in pop culture. And when you're dealing with a topic this heavy -- let alone one that's already been diluted to the extent that it has -- I can't interpret that as anything less than a deplorable act.

I don't like the song itself, but I hate what it represents much more. I think that in twenty years we'll look back on Not Like Us as the nadir of 20s outrage culture.
 
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Arthur Morgan said:
It's the only reason people are saying Disco was overhated, because it can't be that disco was actually shit, no. Gen X kids who hated that shit had to be racist and homophobic, that's the only reason to hate it. Because the only type of disco the SJW kids ever heard was the stuff that stood the test of time, not the actual shit that was being played repetitively everywhere.
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i don't think it was an active thing but the music sounding "faggy" to people is probably why people didn't like disco. think about it like unconscious bias, despite the sex symbols of the late 70s being all about disco many didn't enjoy it, it was a real "you might not have noticed it, but your brain did" moment for people. it was a precursor to nauseating arena rock, it was the Dane Cook of music genres, it was shit. if you could define disco vs rock in the carter administration, it was the music genre of Sonic vs Mario. One had simple beats and appealed to freaks, the other actually had care put into it and stood the test of time. Disco was as fake as trannies, plenty of "hit" songs from that era were blatantly written and recorded by someone else and lip sync'd by the performer, who got the part because they "fit the look", while rock especially in that era before hair metal really took off, was about the music. it didn't matter how you looked or how cool you were as long as you had the ability, which is why you ended up with so many women in new wave bands or even had blacks or other minorities who had rare notable hits in those days and you could have any instrument including synths in your rock band as long as it appealed to people, the political beliefs were so across the spectrum it was aparently common for rockers to get into fights over them. meanwhile disco was a certain vibe, which was part of the appeal and was reinforced by how people were made up when they recorded a "disco" album or were chosen to front a "disco" single or band. you dressed for disco, while rock was for anyone at anytime.

like its not as bullshit as that woodstock 1999 netflix doc where they decided everyone who liked any band in the 90s was a nazi. But it is sort of fucked to say "anyone that hates a very insidious and image conscious and bland style of music is evil" when in general like cilantro its a matter of personal taste and like any "hit" genre there will always be detractors and there will always be plenty of great reasons for it. like sure there were plenty of people that hated diddy because he's black, but he was also in and out of court rooms because of being connected to various high level crimes and he acted like the biggest piece of shit possible during Making the Band, and he clearly feels corrupt, he made way too much money for a guy who's output behind the scenes wasn't that big for him not to be involved in criminal shit. this whole "anyone who hated disco must be a monster" is very much just modern lefties wanting to stick up for the fags. they did a very similar thing with Marilyn Manson and industrial music, because they thought the "wrong type of people" hated him. up until metoo every music critic would go "actually he's not as evil as you'd think and its just those fucking conservatives ruining his career" until they were forced to admit otherwise.

thats another reason i sort of hate lefty critics as well, because you can never tell how honest they are, and you're better off assuming they're lying because the amount of genuine believers is so small. they'll throw disco out with world peace or thinking russia isn't an evil empire if it helps further the cause. look how quickly they abandoned atheism or video game censorship. the complete turn around with country seems like a similar thing, its not like its changed significantly from 20 years ago when they were shitting on Brad Paisley, and to prove how much they love country they're rewriting it to include way more blacks and especially fags than any person that has enjoyed the genre for the last 50 years would have heard.
 
Random Internet Person said:
And one more thing, I listened to that “Carnival” song Todd placed at #1 on the worst list. And it may be me, but I don’t think it’s all that bad. Certainly not #1 bad at the very least.
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I was thinking the exact same thing, like the worst? That's the worst song? Of the entire year? The WORST? Insane choice
 
Boston Brand said:
Oh, he actually dropped the worst list before February?

Let me guess... tons of sperging over how much he hates bro-country, Trump supporters, and it ends with another pathetic plug for Lindsay Ellis and Nebula?
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Well, the transcript is out if you don’t wanna give him a click.

As for the list itself, I’ll let @Ninon42 ’s quote summarize some of it.

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Kevin's lack of co-writing skills are the kiss of death to Todd videos and Dany certainly finds himself amusing, to the detriment of the rest of us. Both are wokescolds. After some reflection on the video itself, I shall list the disappointments thusly:
  • The joyless, flaccid "I am not okay" bumper. Entirely too on the nose and makes the video drag every time.
  • The Charli XCX/Kamala brat black on green lettering. Looks like shit, the album was weak, Kamala lost. Let it go, man.
  • The comment about sex without whips and chains, etc. being boring. Even as one of the seemingly few on here willing to entertain the idea that Todd can get laid despite his physical shortcomings, every reference to his sex life lands with a thud. Please don't.
  • The intermittent state-of-the-world diatribes made it painfully clear that he really had nothing to say that he hadn't already focus tested on Twitter or Bluesky. Co-writers from the same hivemind don't add any unexpected insights or wit.
  • His audience will never care about country. At least he gave a nod to Tipsy as the biggest song of the year.
  • Putting Tom MacDonald/Ben Shapiro and Kanye at the top of the list was as predictable as a sunrise.
  • He can't get any sponsors but his management (Nebula) even on one of his most popular videos of the year, as the Top 10s always are. Either he has no conversion on placements or Nebula can't get any.
Cautiously optimistic for the best list in February?
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Beyond that, most here are just putting in our predictions on what’ll make his best songs list. Honestly, I think 2024 (and maybe 2023 as well) may end up being seen as the year(s) in which I stop valuing Todd’s opinions on music, if only because I don’t pay as much attention to the charts as Todd does. And in the times I do…I think I’m starting to find myself not agreeing with him more often than not.

Also, that “Carnival” song isn’t as bad as Todd says it is. Fight me. (In Marvel vs Capcom Fighting Collections Arcade Classics. You pick the game. I have a PS4).
 
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Boston Brand said:
Oh, he actually dropped the worst list before February?

Let me guess... tons of sperging over how much he hates bro-country, Trump supporters, and it ends with another pathetic plug for Lindsay Ellis and Nebula?
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Basically, yeah.
 
Nigor said:
I was thinking the exact same thing, like the worst? That's the worst song? Of the entire year? The WORST? Insane choice
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He's justified his choices in the past as 'worst' not meaning the most bad, but about it being the 'lack of good' which is why some dumb, mediocre shit that's pretty inoffensive has gotten on there. I think he had Katy Perry's Roar as his worst song for one year even though there was worse stuff on the list by everyone else's standards.
 
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I used to watch Todd a lot and his lists of best artists include Macklemore and Kendrick Lamar. IDK why he goes on about white people in music when he literally has the musical preferences of a white hipster.
 
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