Warhammer 40k

[Obstacle]

Well you've been wrong about characters, wrong about minis, and wrong about how long the game has existed, so please tell us how anyone else is stupid.

I explained why you are the stupid, in the post you are quoting.
Also, I'd like you to point out where I was wrong, other than not remembering a single metal catachan from like 1991.
Admittedly, I'm only in my thirties, but mass production female guard models have not been WIDELY AVAILABLE for the majority of 40k's lifespan, which is I suppose, the itch I was scratching for.
Frankly, I always wondered how they squared the whole "gentler, softer warhammer" with putting unaugmented non-religiously fanatical human women in the firing line of a bunch of murder-rape happy manifestations of absolute evil.
I guess the Guro/Ryona commnunity must be happy.

Anyway, the logistical stupidity of recruiting women into front line combat roles SHOULD break your suspension of disbelief.
Because the drama in human fiction is based around human lives, and the conditions inherent therein; you can change the metaphysics the universe works on, and still have a good story/setting whatever.
But try to change too much the rules by which human beings operate, and you lose the human interest element; the spectacle becomes more like watching a colony of alien creatures, like ants, milling around, than any sort of mortal passion-play.
I think that's also the reason tranny fiction turns even apolitical normies off; these are people who have violated their own humanity to the point where their concerns, beliefs and motivations are just inscrutable to most people, and so, their struggles and tribulations seem bemusing and mildly repulsive, rather than compelling on a human to human level.

I see women in combat fatigues, carrying a gun I think "When the shit hits the fan she's gonna get a train run on her, then shot in the head".
Which sorta puts a damper on my ability to enjoy little plastic men, being horrible to one another.

Am I a simp?
Kinda, in a weird way.

 

[p1138]

Also, I'd like you to point out where I was wrong, other than not remembering a single metal catachan from like 1991.

This one statement, makes you wrong about how long the game has been out, and how long it was until they started making female IG models. It's a two-for-one.

And that's why it took forty years to get female IG models,

, but mass production female guard models have not been WIDELY AVAILABLE for the majority of 40k's lifespan

So a mass production model, from when the company was making mostly metal minis doesn't count? It wasn't a limited edition model like the praetorians from 2nd edition were. Since that model is from 2004, and 40k really came about in 1987... making 40k 38 years old. Of course weren't going to count rogue trader because that's always the exception with people so lets just count since 2nd edition launched and became 40k proper, in 1993... that would put it at 32 years. But if the first model that wasn't some limited edition sculpt came out in 2004... well that model is 21 years old. Wait a minute... 21 years is a majority of the span of time for the 32 years since 2nd edition. Hell, it's the majority of the span of time since 1987.

I even linked a page showing the years these models came out, including editions and you STILL got that wrong.

And then if we count novels and characters in them, the guard characters and inquisitor I mentioned in the Ciaphas Cain series, they were in the first book from 2003 so they're even older than that at 22 years.

rankly, I always wondered how they squared the whole "gentler, softer warhammer" with putting unaugmented non-religiously fanatical human women in the firing line of a bunch of murder-rape happy manifestations of absolute evil.

Most sisters of battle aren't augmented outside of prosthetics.

What the fuck are you talking about? This shit isn't even some weird deep esoteric 40k lore, it's in fucking memes for gods sake. Nevermind the fact that you're bitching about female guard characters... WHY? Because of the ONE in the fucking space marine 2 game? When there's been all of 5 minis?
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I see women in combat fatigues, carrying a gun I think "When the shit hits the fan she's gonna get a train run on her, then shot in the head".
Which sorta puts a damper on my ability to enjoy little plastic men, being horrible to one another.

So you seem to think everyone else jerks off to them. And you just immediately think "rape victim"... I asked a question and you ignored it.

Here's a question... are you incapable of accepting a female character that exists without someone jerking off to it?

You sound like a fucking degenerate, and seem to think everyone else is as well.

 

[Obstacle]

@p1138
I said "forty years"
Ok, thirty eight, fucks sake, 'scuse me for rounding up to the nearest ten for brevity.

Also, the metal guard armies were famously online sales only after a certain point of plastics becoming the norm, and seldom restocked, and this was in an era before online storefronts were as major as they are today; they were bastard hard to get a hold of.
I never saw a single fucker with a single one of them.
And don't tell me that's a 2004 sculpt; that thing couldn't have been sculpted later than the mid 90's.
As an aside; it's not a good sculpt either, at a guess no Perry Brother or Mark Copplestone had a hand in it, though if I'm wrong I have only put those men on pedestals.

Not that GW weren't using some sculpts for decades, but well, availability of the guard metals was spotty after the plastic roll out.
Never saw a single guard army growing up that wasn't plastic cadians, because frankly, the metals were on their way out for years, due to consumer end expense; more plastic = more men.
I remember going into a GW one day after a few months and the wall full of blisters were gone, which was a shame, because nowadays I actually like metals better than plastics.

And frankly, Black Library novels are shit.
No way to sugarcoat it.
What was best in 40k lore was the vignettes and shorts and sometimes the comics, mostly influenced by weird tales and pulp adventures.
Outsourcing the writing of novel-length in-setting books to middling to poor sci-fi writers on an industrial scale, essentially made the setting boring, static and weirdly over-explored in some areas, yet barren in the rest.
Because of course, the more you describe in detail, the more you have to explain, and the more you describe in one area, the more an imbalance becomes evident elsewhere.
The very concept of the Horus Heresy books fails to appeal to me, because it's about creating a definitive vision, of something that was only as utile as a wargames setting as it was malleable.

The God Emperor of Mankind and his Primarchs, are not compelling characters.
Their fates are predetermined for one, so there are no stakes; we all know what's going to happen.
So all the actual storytelling has to occur in the cracks between, which MIGHT present an opportunity to flesh out the setting, has to carry the whole novel, in a sense.

And yet every time I opened one of my mate's Horus Heresy novels, I had to close it, because it was fucking boring.
I mean, I slogged through Gotrek and Felix, and I've read more shorts from magazines and comics than I can rightly recall.
But jesus.

Makes me think of books I loved, some of which arguably influenced the genre.
Like A Canticle for Liebowitz.
Or the one /lit/ meme book I ever liked, "One Hundred Years of Solitude".
I compare the quality of writing, and maybe it's not fair, because especially in the latter case, Marquez is a master of prose.
But the word choices are ugly and prosaic, the plot elements are turgid slop dripping with the impeachable modern sensibilities of the "writer", and the payoff is just the setup to the next serving of literary diarrhea stew.

Also, for my intents and purposes "Augmentation" includes power-armour, and to a lesser extent, fanatical conditioning and/or combat drugs.
Listen man, hows about I give you the "King of Spergs" crown, for being more pedantic about a forty year old game that I *used to* love than I can be bothered to be.
You can cite your female relative who did a tour of duty, and only got sexually assaulted like twice, and only had to go through a decade of therapy to get over it.
You can cry that one metal Catachan woman was available in extremely limited quantities, from online retailers, for a long time, because it never sold well and they had back stock left over from the 1990's.
And you can jump up and down and piss your pants too.
Women are incongruous on the battlefield in real life, and that will ALWAYS apply also to military fiction, scifi or current day, fantasy or historical.
Writing a setting where WAR is the constant focus, and women are conscripted into battle en masse, whilst ignoring all the inevitable consequences that would result from this, results in a scenario where the combat scenes feel cartoonish and stupid, and the writers will be tip-toeing around unfortunate implications to stay PG-13, and none of it makes logistical sense, because they should have run out of human bodies to throw into the meatgrinder ten thousand years ago.

You know what happens when a band of Slaanesh cultists overrun a guard post?
Something about dumping a bunch of dimwit normal women into that kind of scenario is perhaps appealing to my "based" reflex, but I can't imagine ritualistic gang-rape followed by death by torture being the highlight of your narrative campaign, even though by sheer plot gravity, you know it must happen.

So yeah, fuck off girls, please.

 

[p1138]

And don't tell me that's a 2004 sculpt; that thing couldn't have been sculpted later than the mid 90's.

So if the site is wrong, and it's from earlier in 3rd edition, then that means it's been in the range for even more of a majority of 40k.

You keep changing the goalposts, not me. Now you want to claim metal minis don't count once the plastic stuff started coming out when GW was still selling some metal minis up until just a few years ago? And then the sculpt quality matters? You claimed 40 years, and were wrong. You claimed the majority, and were wrong. Yet everyone else is the stupid one? Even if you never saw someone with the thing, doesn't mean shit. What, have you been touring the world playing at big events for the past decade or two? Probably not, especially with how wrong you've been about shit. Thus your particular anecdote doesn't mean fuck all.

Here's a question... are you incapable of accepting a female character that exists without someone jerking off to it?

Answer the fucking question. It's a simple question. You seem to be unable to handle the concept of a female character existing without involving rape, or someone jacking off to it. Is this true? And if you are a degenerate weirdo... why? Because that's not everyone else. There may be others, could even be a majority, but isn't everyone.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

And don't tell me that's a 2004 sculpt; that thing couldn't have been sculpted later than the mid 90's

Mutilators came out 2012 and they were one of the worst designed minis GW produced. Please do everyone a favor and paint your ceiling with your skull fragments.

 

[Meat Target]

I see women in combat fatigues, carrying a gun I think "When the shit hits the fan she's gonna get a train run on her, then shot in the head".

>flamin' hot dogshit takes on games that are easily refuted with cursory knowledge of the lore
>gets pissy when the source material doesn't conform to what he thinks it should be
>sees a woman and immediately thinks about her getting raped and murdered

Hi, Acerthorn!

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

I picked up one of those JoyToy action figures on a whim and this is an unhinged level of articulation. Also you can remove the mags from the boltgun and bolt pistol. And of course they come with tons of hand and weapon options:
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and if the Terminators, Dreadnoughts, Primarchs and Sentinel weren't enough, they're doing a Knight.
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Considering the size of the dreadnaught the knight will be huge by comparison.

 

[bort420]

Men want the power fantasy and 40k has plenty on offer.

Women want something different and youre completely right about it. The missus used to play orcs and its because she loved how fun, cute and goofy they were. The other woman I know who collects models is Nids.

"Everything has to be for everyone at all times"

That's inclusivity as interpreted by the dumbest and loudest idiots around. It's our job to police them and tell them to shut the fuck up. Can't cede ground to them

 

[p1138]

I'm arguing casually, frankly.
And I'm not so much "Changing goalpoasts" because I don't have a goal to begin with other than self-expression.
And fella?
I'mma express myself as I please, and you have no power to prevent me from doing so, because I am a mere figment of the internet.

When you keep having to add extra qualifications "majority of the time" or "that sculpt is awful" so shit can go your way, it's moving the goalposts.

As for rape, finally, you responsed to my rape point.
Guess what people do to each other in war?
That's right!
The most horrible things they can think of!
All of them!
Sometimes all at once!
And sure, you can rape men too, but let's be real; nobody cares about that in the abstract.
Hell you can say it's funny, some people will object, more will chuckle.
And besides that, men are less likely to be raped, because men aren't women.
Maybe women being raped can be funny too, but my sensibility is that they'd have to deserve it narratively, for it to be any kind of satisfying payoff to a story.
Hell, I feel a twinge of sorrow whenever it's just some poor guarsdMAN getting his bits shot off.
Bad things happening to women has all that tragedy, plus the added element that their men failed to defend them.
Is an Imperium that uses women as cannon fodder even worth fighting for?
You could of course, explore this in-universe in all sorts of ways.
But they haven't the balls, the finesse, or any of the other qualities that might substitute.

So you're a fucking degenerate.

Warhammer started off as a good wargame setting.
It is slowly metamorphosing into bad literature.
The more it becomes bad literature, the less suitable it it as a wargame setting.
GW know that; they've been pivoting away from the actual game being their main business model for years.

It was about bad literature the moment they started producing literature. Have you at least heard of Draco? The book where the imperial inquisitor wants to fuck a callidus assassin while they've shapeshifted to look like a fucking genestealer? I assumed this would be right up your alley as a weirdo. No one has been claiming that Black Library is some great font of fiction of our time.

It's also kind of hilarious that you want to say they're pivoting from the game being their main business... after they partnered with FLG so they can have more involvement in events specifically for the competitive side of the game, even switching to a "seasonal"(more like annual really) tournament pack and promoting it.

Methinks the Sisters of Battle have more to them than meets the eye, that is, more than mere fetish material.
They are what happens when you have to make do with getting round a restriction, canonically.
They are all indoctrinated to the gills devout practitioners of a fanatical xenophobic religion.
They sit at a lot of cross-sections; their particular form of monastic life is essentially de-feminizing, they are a single sex organization , and they are by most narrative conventions sorta "Evil" - the whole BDSM, penitential torture, and flamethrowers motif being the visual key, so when bad things happen to Nuns with Guns, there's no reason to feel bad about it; they are dehumanized characters.
They're on the cross-roads between fetish sexy, and bulldyke ugly, which frankly, is appropriate for them thematically.
Now, Guard's whole shtick is that they are human.
That they represent the teeming masses of humanity.

Dehumanized? De-feminized? The canonness at the scholam on Perlia was fucking the munitorum representative. They aren't celibate. Once again, you've shown you know fuck all about the lore.

You don't know shit about the lore and characters. You don't know shit about the history of the game or the minis. wtf do you even do regarding 40k? Do you play? Do you paint? Just stick with the video games?

Thing is, the women are why you fight.
And if the women are marching into volleys of massed gunfire, what does a man have to fight for?
The Imperial Creed?

No, they fight for the fucking emperor. Most guard regiments aren't even fighting anywhere near their homeworld, and the guardsmen themselves probably won't see it again in their lives. Holy shit, you can't even get something as simple as that correct, and it's one of the most basic concepts of the damned setting.

 

[daniel day]

Do yourselves a favor and ignore the sperg.

Post models, or gtfo

 

[bort420]

I can't see myself getting into the Action figure 40k models. My mind tells me to just use my budget on models for the tabletop.

what's GW's endgame with joytoy? It's admitting that there are better factories and modelers, sure, but idk. Seems like someones pet project.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

Do yourselves a favor and ignore the sperg.

Post models, or gtfo

I might if I finish painting the Felgors I started before my Christmas break. Got some Army Painter speed paints so it shouldn't take me long unless I get indecisive on minor shit to detail.

 

[p1138]

Do yourselves a favor and ignore the sperg.

Post models, or gtfo

Unfortunately I don't like the idea of posting my completed stuff because it's potentially identifiable. Haven't had anything pre-painted or just primed at the hobby bench in a couple of months, should probably pull something out of the backlog at some point and then post an in-progress pic of that.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

what's GW's endgame with joytoy? It's admitting that there are better factories and modelers, sure, but idk. Seems like someones pet project.

I just view it as them branching out for more merchandising deals and they happened to luck out with Joytoy's quality. Action figure collectors are whole different level of autism.

 

[Obstacle]

@p1138

Damn son.
Ok, I retract the laurel of autism, what I proferred for checking the miniatures catalog, which is good practice.
Now, this will take a while, because I can't quote you directly for whatever reason.

"When you keep having to add extra qualifications "majority of the time" or "that sculpt is awful" so shit can go your way, it's moving the goalposts."

That's not moving goalposts, it's called being conversational.
Is the sculpt not ugly?

"So you're a fucking degenerate."

>Rape is a real danger for women in wartime
>HOW DARE YOU, DEGENERATE

My sides.

"It was about bad literature the moment they started producing literature."
When they started, BL was a supplementary wing of the business, and they were more selective about their writers.

I mentioned Barrington J Bailey earlier; Eye of Terror was actually a decent book for genre fiction.
Shame he's dead, and all we have now is Necron Neopronouns Bowden.
Earlier Black Library stuff was -ok tier- Horus Heresy however, is the nadir of their output, because they are asking like twelve different authors to piece together a coherent plot line out of a story that's already been told, and in the process, stripping out all the cool ambiguities and mysteries that excited the imagination.
I'd liken the process to seeding a forest, and letting it grow and go wild, then harvesting it for lumber.
You might love the forest for it's flowers, but the owner loves only timber money.

"It's also kind of hilarious that you want to say they're pivoting from the game being their main business... after they partnered with FLG so they can have more involvement in events specifically for the competitive side of the game, even switching to a "seasonal"(more like annual really) tournament pack and promoting it."

My friend, if you cope and seethe any harder, your veneers will start to crack.
GW make more money now pimping out their IP to game developers and of late, Amazon than they have EVER made off wee plastic men.
They read their own accounting, they know it.
The game itself is practically a legacy product at this stage.

"Dehumanized? De-feminized? The canonness at the scholam on Perlia was fucking the munitorum representative. They aren't celibate. Once again, you've shown you know fuck all about the lore.

You don't know shit about the lore and characters. You don't know shit about the history of the game or the minis. wtf do you even do regarding 40k? Do you play? Do you paint? Just stick with the video games?"
I posted a WIP earlier in the thread, dimbulb.

No, I suppose I don't know the lore any more; admittedly, I never played SOB, nor read their codex back to back, and there's been enough time since I gave a fuck that they could all be temple prostitutes now for all I know.
Because back when I gave a fuck, SOB were "Fanatical space Nuns", and we all understood the implications of that, as well as their sacral "marriage" to the Emperor.

Like, what do you think Nuns do?
Yeah, they have a rep for lezzing off with one another, but they're not SUPPOSED to do that.
So some latterday faglord wrote a commissioned book where he establishes that Sisters of Battle can have all the sex they want, and so, the Chuds are now wrong.

But are we?
Are nuns, let alone ones sworn to a sacred pseudo-matrimony to their god figure supposed to fuck?
No, they aren't.
So whoever wrote and canonized that was dumb, and made the setting dumber as a result.

Anything else, oh festering pile of cheesecurds?
Oh, and I never read Eisenhorn, it was published round about the same time my cousin gave my first Space Marines.
I painted them as Black Templars, because the basic colour scheme was brainless to apply, so even a nine year old could do it.
But an old man being horny for a xenomorph just sounds like H.R. Geiger got into the writing room and racked the guy off.

You should take a powder man.
Maybe stop trying to flex your e-peen, pretending I don't know what Warhammer be, because you don't like my takes.
I'm quite happy to admit that I might not have spent as much time on that shit as you.
Like maybe you're in your forties and are still 100% obsessed with this shit.
But my god, the time I did was clearly better spent, and in a better era.
Now, excuse me, I got Elves to paint for Oathmark, and I really suck at Elves, so I'm gonna have to use my whole half a brain.
Here's some Heroquest Fimir I did last year, to dispell your banal accusations of "You don't even do hobby".
Yes, I do hobby.
It's not exactly hard to put acryllic paint on plastic man, you effeminate pillhead.

 

[The Spoils of War]

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Dude, no one cares.

 

[The tired cat]

Ignoring the sexually frustrated weirdo, I'm almost finished with my kitbashed Warboss in MegaArmour (basically bought an Orruk Warboss and added some extra bits on him)

 

[p1138]

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No one fucking cares, you've shit up two pages with your idiotic sperging that was repeatedly incorrect, and want to bitch about things when you don't even have an understanding of the timeline when they occurred regarding lore, minis, etc. You're even complaining about pimping out their licensing, as if they haven't been doing that for video games, even fucking TCGs(and I don't mean the MTG commander deck crossover) for two damned decades now since they'll hand out their license to practically anyone willing to give them a cut of the profits due to it having such little overhead for GW themselves. Hell, they even tried to be a fucking record label at one point, no one cares.

Ignoring the sexually frustrated weirdo, I'm almost finished with my kitbashed Warboss in MegaArmour (basically bought an Orruk Warboss and added some extra bits on him)

Ironjawz and the ork bloodbowl teams are really good as bases for kitbashing 40k orks.

 

[The tired cat]

Ironjawz and the ork bloodbowl teams are really good as bases for kitbashing 40k orks.

Ye, sadly never seen anyone sell the latter and ordering 'em online sadly ain't cheap. I did get lucky and snag some MegaNobz models (even the OG Ghaz metal model that a modded a tad and thus he's the leader of a Meganob squad of 5 dudes)

 

[Male Idiot]

Or also from the same series, the fact that one of the most powerful people in the imperium is a woman, specifically Inquisitor Amberley Vail? Even outside of the Ciaphas Cain series, Inquisitor Greyfax? Sabbathiel? Even further, Inquisitor Kleopatra Arx who was also a high lord of terra?

This is not some new thing to 40k, and goes back at least 20+ years. And no I'm not going to count Ursula Creed who is just a halfassed attempt at a gender swap for Ursakar Creed. This shit isn't new, but it sounds like you've never paid attention to it. Other than space marines(and custodes until recently) the imperium doesn't give a shit about anyone's gender, it cares if they can get the job done.

Ack! Chually, only the last one is that powerful. Amberley Vail is just a bitch ass basic inquisitor. There is a lot of them, and the High Lords had SoBs in one of the non-fixed spots so that's a better example too.
Ursula Creed was the laziest of swaps ever.

GW: They can sculpt the nipples but not the face. That monkey face looks like it belongs on a Wukong action figure, not a woman. GW should never make female miniatures just because of how they just can't do it right. Even their male faces are a good argument for helmets.

And sure, you can rape men too, but let's be real; nobody cares about that in the abstract.

Rape is a time honoured Slaanesh/Dark Eldar tradition. Male or female, rape will happen.

Outside that, most things won't rape you. Necrons, Orks, Tau, Tyranids, they are aliens and aren't attracted to humans, despite Reddit posting tau porn 24/7.

But you shouldn't try to waste time on this thread, the local GW addicts make Disney Adult looks sane and critical by comparison. As autistic as Lord Imperator can be, at least the SW autists know when Disney craps something out its best to walk away and not consume it.

No one cares, but they should have cared ten years ago. This is the ultimate CONSOOM PRODUCT thread, and Mossad wished they had the keyboard prowess of GW's shills. Tyranids weren't jews, they were the fans all along. They'll eat anything. I know it is unpalatable but it is the truth.

Edit: as to why am I mati? Because not only could GW invalidate and force you to rebuy your entire army, they already did.

And people did it with thunderous applause and seal clapping.