Warhammer 40k

[Obstacle]

You're trying to apply socio-economic theory to 40k. It won't work with most IPs, but 40k? Which since it's creation has been inconsistent as shit about everything, and written by authors that apply numbers of troops to being involved in full planetary warfare, that don't even add up to single battles in ww1 or ww2 at times, and you want to focus on hypothetical birth rates for a setting that can't even be consistent with its currency? Or anything resembling trade between planets and how it makes little sense to even be able to supply goods for warfare let alone general living? That at times has discussed guilds of hive scum mining piles of discarded parchment?

Oh being stupid isn't the main problem.
And it is; profoundlly stupid.
But there are many other things in the setting that are also stupid BUT which build towards the aesthetic and thematic fulfilment of the series.
And putting incongruous dog-faced lesbians in charge of every single imperial guard regiment, is so ugly,
I believe I am obligated to mockery.

 

[Meat Target]

Thing is, if you extend this attitude across a vast space and perpetuate it for ten thousand plus years, what you have is a recipie for precipitous population decline, aka, societal death.

Which falls into this weird category of phenomena where it creates internal canon grimderp, in the name of extrinsic "inclusivity", which if, of course, a false god.

Simple fact is, men aren't put out of action for nine months every time they wanna make more people.

I think you're missing the point. The Imperium does not value individual human lives; they're anonymous numbers on dataslates, like any other materiel. The collective is more important.

A commissar isn't gonna give two shits about the sexes of those he's been given command of, let alone their individual needs. If G.I. Jane is with child thanks to a steamy night with G.I. Joe, that's not his problem.

And G.I. Jane, for her part, knows this, and that's she's getting kicked in the belly or shot if she complains.

I get what you're saying; as a general rule, if a woman wants to reach parity of combat-readiness with a man, she has to work twice as hard to get half as far.

Take the modern West for example

Again, you're making the mistake of assuming Imperial citizens are no different from fat and happy Current Year bugmen. Guardsmen aren't Astartes, but they're still tough fuckers in their own right. They have to be.

thus at best getting an incongruous "Ellen Ripley" which is fine in moderation, but becomes weird when every other women is Ripley, or you can play on it for drama, which isn't what we're here for.

Even in the co-ed factions, men are the overwhelming majority.

You can't have a "clean" war with normal women on the battlefield.

Since when is war "clean"? War is the messiest conceivable thing that can happen.

Suspension of disbelief test: failed.

>a schlocky space opera defined by undying 10-foot demigods struggling against tides of screaming green retards born yesterday who can make things work just by enough collective belief
>some soldiers having boobs doesn't pass the "muh realism" test

Lol, lmao even.

 

[Obstacle]

@Meat Target.
Reply broken, hmm.
But yeah, at no point have I made any sort of argument from individualism.
The main first of my argument is that it is COLLECTIVELY suicidal.
The other is that it is ugly, ridiculous, unaesthetic, lame, stupid, incongruous pandering, which I actually feel far stronger about.

 

[The Spoils of War]

But yeah, at no point have I made any sort of argument from individualism.
The main first of my argument is that it is COLLECTIVELY suicidal.
The other is that it is ugly, ridiculous, unaesthetic, lame, stupid, incongruous pandering, which I actually feel far stronger about.

40k is about killing Orks and Tyranids.

 

[The tired cat]

@Meat Target.
Reply broken, hmm.
But yeah, at no point have I made any sort of argument from individualism.
The main first of my argument is that it is COLLECTIVELY suicidal.
The other is that it is ugly, ridiculous, unaesthetic, lame, stupid, incongruous pandering, which I actually feel far stronger about.

So, tell me were you naturally born stupid or did you take lessons in it?

 

[CervixHammer]

I picked up one of those JoyToy action figures on a whim and this is an unhinged level of articulation. Also you can remove the mags from the boltgun and bolt pistol. And of course they come with tons of hand and weapon options:

and if the Terminators, Dreadnoughts, Primarchs and Sentinel weren't enough, they're doing a Knight.

 

[daniel day]

???
What did he mean by this?

This:

Oh being stupid isn't the main problem.
And it is; profoundlly stupid.
But there are many other things in the setting that are also stupid BUT which build towards the aesthetic and thematic fulfilment of the series.
And putting incongruous dog-faced lesbians in charge of every single imperial guard regiment, is so ugly,
I believe I am obligated to mockery.

If you painted as often as you sperged out about women in a fantasy game youd probably be a lot better at it.

 

[Meat Target]

@Meat Target.
Reply broken, hmm.

It happens with big long posts.

But yeah, at no point have I made any sort of argument from individualism

I didn't say you did. Let me rephrase that: the Imperium doesn't pay attention to whether the human masses it throws at a problem are male or female. All it cares about is solving whatever it has decided is the problem to be dealt with.

The main first of my argument is that it is COLLECTIVELY suicidal.

You're correct that it would cause mass depopulation on a long enough timeline. But the Imperium is retardedly overpopulated. It's not something they need to worry about.

Even if it were, it wouldn't be their first self-inflicted problem. It works on bounded rationality, and hates its enemies more than it loves it own citizens.

 

[p1138]

Reply broken, hmm.
But yeah, at no point have I made any sort of argument from individualism.
The main first of my argument is that it is COLLECTIVELY suicidal.
The other is that it is ugly, ridiculous, unaesthetic, lame, stupid, incongruous pandering, which I actually feel far stronger about.

You're complaining about reality, with regard to 40k because you don't like that some indian chick in one game was running guard unit?

What about Colonel Kasteen from the first book of the Ciaphas Cain series? General Sulla?
Or also from the same series, the fact that one of the most powerful people in the imperium is a woman, specifically Inquisitor Amberley Vail? Even outside of the Ciaphas Cain series, Inquisitor Greyfax? Sabbathiel? Even further, Inquisitor Kleopatra Arx who was also a high lord of terra?

This is not some new thing to 40k, and goes back at least 20+ years. And no I'm not going to count Ursula Creed who is just a halfassed attempt at a gender swap for Ursakar Creed. This shit isn't new, but it sounds like you've never paid attention to it. Other than space marines(and custodes until recently) the imperium doesn't give a shit about anyone's gender, it cares if they can get the job done.

edit: and it cares about sisters of battle, but that's because the ecclesiarchy was told they couldn't have men at arms, so they're only a loophole anyway.

 

[Obstacle]

So, tell me were you naturally born stupid or did you take lessons in it?

TC, let me be blunt.
All your female imperial guard characters are lame "Dommy Mommy" fantasies, for beta-male cuckbois, who have a profoundly damaged idea of what it is men and women do/are suited for in society.
It's pandering to feminist wasteoids, who don't play the game anyway, and an obnoxiously vocal minority of gooners, who get their rocks off to women in army fatigues.
Women don't mesh with the aesthetic of the IG like they do the SB or Eldar, basically because normal female humans suck at fighting don't tend to like it, and their appearance on the battlefield precipitates misfortune, disaster and tragedy.
And that's why it took forty years to get female IG models, and why they all have chronic manface, and are additionally, the most substituted minis in an IG infantry box.
And everything I just said goes double for FemSquats, because it's that plus bOdY pOsItIvItY.
Admittedly, you can just handwave it away with "They aren't human, angry grog" but they're human DERIVED damnit.

Good god.
Only sexy catlike eldar bitches, and absurdly overequipped religious fanatics have any right to bear ovaries into an active warzone.

And when I am God-King I shall make it a rule.

 

[The tired cat]

TC, let me be blunt.
All your female imperial guard characters are lame "Dommy Mommy" fantasies, for beta-male cuckbois, who have a profoundly damaged idea of what it is men and women do/are suited for in society.
It's pandering to feminist wasteoids, who don't play the game anyway, and an obnoxiously vocal minority of gooners, who get their rocks off to women in army fatigues.
Women don't mesh with the aesthetic of the IG like they do the SB or Eldar, basically because normal female humans suck at fighting don't tend to like it, and their appearance on the battlefield precipitates misfortune, disaster and tragedy.
And that's why it took forty years to get female IG models, and why they all have chronic manface, and are additionally, the most substituted minis in an IG infantry box.

Okay, so you're naturally retarded, thanks for clearing up that part.

 

[Obstacle]

Okay, so you're naturally retarded, thanks for clearing up that part.

Better than being a furry, chap.

 

[MG-34]

I picked up one of those JoyToy action figures on a whim and this is an unhinged level of articulation. Also you can remove the mags from the boltgun and bolt pistol. And of course they come with tons of hand and weapon options:
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and if the Terminators, Dreadnoughts, Primarchs and Sentinel weren't enough, they're doing a Knight.
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I can't see myself getting into the Action figure 40k models. My mind tells me to just use my budget on models for the tabletop.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

TC, let me be blunt.
All your female imperial guard characters are lame "Dommy Mommy" fantasies, for beta-male cuckbois, who have a profoundly damaged idea of what it is men and women do/are suited for in society.
It's pandering to feminist wasteoids, who don't play the game anyway, and an obnoxiously vocal minority of gooners, who get their rocks off to women in army fatigues.
Women don't mesh with the aesthetic of the IG like they do the SB or Eldar, basically because normal female humans suck at fighting don't tend to like it, and their appearance on the battlefield precipitates misfortune, disaster and tragedy.
And that's why it took forty years to get female IG models, and why they all have chronic manface, and are additionally, the most substituted minis in an IG infantry box.
And everything I just said goes double for FemSquats, because it'ss that plus bOdY pOsItIvItY.

How about you shut the fuck up, put down the paste you're eating, and read the previous posts.

No one cares about women being in the Imperial Guard because they're a meat grinder. Inversely, no one cares about there being female squats because they're so low in numbers that everyone needs to chip in, plus they have that whole cloning thing.

 

[p1138]

And that's why it took forty years to get female IG models,

What the fuck? The catachan with grenade launcher from third edition has tits. 40k hasn't even been out for 40 years, and just over 10 years into it's existence it had female guard models.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Astra_Militarum

Why are there so many damned people who seem to think they're 40k fans, or pretend to know a lot about 40k, but then it turns out they don't know fuck all? "the wokies are ruining my 40k, this stuff didn't exist decades ago" and then the shit existed decades ago. And not I'm not going to point to the rogue trader female space marine minis either(which didn't sell, or encourage women to play, and got discontinued fairly quickly). And no, just because there's an IG model with tits, a fucking catachan of all things, doesn't mean anyone jerks off thinking about it.

All your female imperial guard characters are lame "Dommy Mommy" fantasies, for beta-male cuckbois, who have a profoundly damaged idea of what it is men and women do/are suited for in society.

Also, neither of the female guard characters I mentioned, that have existed for over 20 years, would really fit the "dommy mommy" fetish either. Here's a question... are you incapable of accepting a female character that exists without someone jerking off to it? There's more to life than gooning, and no one is forcing you to have women in your IG army(assuming you even have one) in the first place.

 

[Obstacle]

I can't see myself getting into the Action figure 40k models. My mind tells me to just use my budget on models for the tabletop.

I built a few Gunpla in my time, so I get the appeal to the larger articulated model kits.
But I also like my toys to be "Playable" rather than pure diorama pieces (I suck at painting anyway). Maybe you could use them to play a game based on Inquisitor, refluffed for the Horus Heresy or Badab war or something, while there's mostly just Space Marines available.

How about you shut the fuck up

How about no.
And additionally; fuck you.

What the fuck? The catachan with grenade launcher from third edition has tits. 40k hasn't even been out for 40 years, and just over 10 years into it's existence it had female guard models.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Astra_Militarum

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Why are there so many damned people who seem to think they're 40k fans, or pretend to know a lot about 40k, but then it turns out they don't know fuck all?

Good catch actually.
I have never seen that metal Catachan lady.
There was however, also the classic "Females in Power Armour" from the old RT metal sets, which are ugly as fuck, and always trotted out by troons as "See, female space marines are canon" but yeah, this is a different kettle of fish.
My point still stands for the vast majority of the plastic box set era, which was my era.
Catachans fall under the same "specific lore clause" that I'd excuse SOB under; their death-world society, admittedly stupid as it is, is basically entirely militarized.
But I'd still not want a ratio of more than 20-1 male to female in a catachan force, for the sheer fact of the matter that even Catachan would probably use those women for logistical and support roles, rather than throwing prime breeding material directly into the meatgrinder.
I still wouldn't want more than one in every twenty or thirty at most, because my points about the aesthetics of war still stand.
Normal human women need to either get really zealous really fast, or get their spock ears out, otherwise, I want them back in the canteen boiling corpse starch into gruel.

 

[p1138]

because my points about the aesthetics of war still stand.

Are you fucking serious? Even in our own history in both world wars, we had women fighting. Was it the same ratio as men? No, but that's not the point. Stop talking out of your ass. "asethetics of war"... fucking seriously? In a setting with aliens? and 8 foot tall "angels" in power armor with everyone else worshipping a corpse?

There was however, also the classic "Females in Power Armour" from the old RT metal sets, which are ugly as fuck, and always trotted out by troons as "See, female space marines are canon" but yeah, this is a different kettle of fish.

I also specifically said I wasn't counting those.

 

[Obstacle]

Are you fucking serious? Even in our own history in both world wars, we had women fighting. Was it the same ratio as men? No, but that's not the point. Stop talking out of your ass.

Normative statements are not invalidated by edge-cases and exceptions.
Rather on further examination, these edge-cases and exceptions tend to highlight why there are such things as norms at all.
Your argument is based on the ten-thousandth percentile, overcoming the rest.
Do I need to explain why that is stupid?

 

[p1138]

Normative statements are not invalidated by edge-cases and exceptions.
Rather on further examination, these edge-cases and exceptions tend to highlight why there are such things as norms at all.
Your argument is based on the ten-thousandth percentile, overcoming the rest.
Do I need to explain why that is stupid?

Well you've been wrong about characters, wrong about minis, and wrong about how long the game has existed, so please tell us how anyone else is stupid.

 

[daniel day]

So Ive been working on NMM and edge highlighting. It still takes me forever, but Im needing to clean up lines much less than I used to. Theres a couple wonky ones on here, but Im still tinkering around with this model.