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pet peeve of mine I should put in an unpopular opinion thread, but you aren't owed a living if it's based on a flash in the pan fad, or is IP based.
Anyone who ties their image to a specific IP or franchise is spiritually dead. I have a certain irk against nintendo nerds for the same reasons. If you can't diversify yourself through showcasing your many interests then audiences should assume that you're as interesting as cardboard irl. Wish Red Letter Media still did Nerd Crew videos they always encapsulated my hate for those types so succinctly.
 
Look, you’re cool, you’re fly, but you’re an Undivided Legion. Two kits in as many years?

Never dream
I want to believe. I want to enjoy my Night Lords on the tabletop without it being Black Legion coded. Death Guard, World Eaters, Emperor’s Children… why do they get to have all the fun? Night Lords were first on Terra’s walls and first to breach the palace! Tie me to a torpedo and fire me at Nostromo Curze, I’m ready!
 
Night Lords were first on Terra’s walls and first to breach the palace! Tie me to a torpedo and fire me at Nostromo Curze, I’m ready!
What codex would you run as night lords in 10th edition? Just chaos space marines? I initially saw it as a good thing to be able to use demons in my 1ksons but I realize now gw is consolidating armies into less and less codexes. Harlequins got relegated to Eldar and such. I guess it makes it less expensive and more approachable but I'm sure there's a lot of players with older armies disappointed they're relegated to a detachment.
 
What codex would you run as night lords in 10th edition? Just chaos space marines?
Chaos Space Marines as Dread Talons is really the only choice. I’d probably throw in a couple of war dogs as support. Only thing that feels right. I mostly stick with Kill Team because I largely play with friends (it’s so much easier to show up with terrain and a bunch of KTs and go okay which do you want). A proper Night Lords army? Yeah I’ll sink into that autistically.
 
What codex would you run as night lords in 10th edition? Just chaos space marines? I initially saw it as a good thing to be able to use demons in my 1ksons but I realize now gw is consolidating armies into less and less codexes. Harlequins got relegated to Eldar and such. I guess it makes it less expensive and more approachable but I'm sure there's a lot of players with older armies disappointed they're relegated to a detachment.
Previously harlequins and ynnari would have just received a handful of stratagems in 9th and were effectively already just detachments(and could soup with drukhari). Relegating them to detachments when those "armies"(harlequins are 4 characters, a transport, and 3 units. Ynnari were only 3 characters) is fine, since you can still run them as their own army, but people were just souping them with regular eldar and drukhari anyway(and you had to with Ynnari because otherwise you couldn't build an army). Chaos daemons still have 6 detachments for their index(more than some entire factions got in a codex), plus a soup detachment for each monogod traitor legion so they're fine.

While they're at it, chaos knights and imperial knights should have just been packed into the same book seeing as how both armies have a whole 10-11 datasheets each anyway with some shared stuff(could still have separate army rules in the same book).
 
So the the magic space marines are going to fight their way through the imperial palace full of anti magic women and bigger better space marines? Yeah ok...
I read elsewhere that it’s not direct combat, but a sacrifice. 1000 of the best psykers in the Imperium, with the genetic code of the Emperor in them. Basilio Fo’s kill code murders them all at the same time, and you have the same ritual that created the Emperor.

You can’t put the Emperor back on the throne once he becomes the Dark King. Nobody said you couldn’t put a new Emperor on the throne.
 
I read elsewhere that it’s not direct combat, but a sacrifice. 1000 of the best psykers in the Imperium, with the genetic code of the Emperor in them. Basilio Fo’s kill code murders them all at the same time, and you have the same ritual that created the Emperor.

You can’t put the Emperor back on the throne once he becomes the Dark King. Nobody said you couldn’t put a new Emperor on the throne.
Where else is there to read anything? Yes there's been previous things published like Basilio Fo's virus which makes sense as a "CSM have gotten so fucked up or the loyalists have turned, and even though it means we wouldn't have space marines to fight xenos, that would be better than shit currently being this bad" doesn't have anything to do with what was written in the codex, and what you've just said... where's the source?

The simple reality is some shit is better left without an answer or explanation, especially if it's going to be written as stupidly as it has been.
 
Where else is there to read anything? Yes there's been previous things published like Basilio Fo's virus which makes sense as a "CSM have gotten so fucked up or the loyalists have turned, and even though it means we wouldn't have space marines to fight xenos, that would be better than shit currently being this bad" doesn't have anything to do with what was written in the codex, and what you've just said... where's the source?

The simple reality is some shit is better left without an answer or explanation, especially if it's going to be written as stupidly as it has been.
I read a fan theory, nothing official.

To be honest, this lore is not ruinous. About between the Emperor being an uncaring father and the Primaris reveal.
 
Previously harlequins and ynnari would have just received a handful of stratagems in 9th and were effectively already just detachments
Coming from other competitive stuff like fighting games n MOBAs, I'm used to consolidation of any kind usually meaning watering down complexity in favor for mass appeal but it makes sense here.
 
I want to believe. I want to enjoy my Night Lords on the tabletop without it being Black Legion coded. Death Guard, World Eaters, Emperor’s Children… why do they get to have all the fun? Night Lords were first on Terra’s walls and first to breach the palace! Tie me to a torpedo and fire me at Nostromo Curze, I’m ready!
Just sell your soul to Slaanesh, your legion is already Slaanesh-coded, if you wanna know the truth about it, bisch.
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The average nostraman and his “girlfriend”
 
Just sell your soul to Slaanesh, your legion is already Slaanesh-coded, if you wanna know the truth about it, bisch.
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The average nostraman and his “girlfriend”
I’d rather shake a loaded P320 at my head.

And I thought we all decided Ralph is Chaos guntdivided and embodies all the chaos gods in a manner. He’s got the Khorne rage pig, Nurgle’s nurgleness, Slaanesh lust and food and drugs in excess, and Tzeentch’s poor attempts at plans.

And besides not like Night Lords changed that much after going chaos

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He wants to run Night Lords, not squats.
Have you seen the EC models?

Everbody looks 5’1 compared to that lean, aesthetic and virile physique.
I’d rather shake a loaded P320 at my head.

And I thought we all decided Ralph is Chaos guntdivided and embodies all the chaos gods in a manner. He’s got the Khorne rage pig, Nurgle’s nurgleness, Slaanesh lust and food and drugs in excess, and Tzeentch’s poor attempts at plans.

And besides not like Night Lords changed that much after going chaos

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The lolcow I always thought embodied Undivided the best was Big Lenny
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Immense roid rage and contempt for cookie-cutters, legendary troll, hedonistic madman and to top it off, grotesque living conditions, hygiene and chronically depressed.

This was the real-life Word Bearer, he had zeal with which he would preach, combining Christianity, actually Chaos-like ascension and domination beliefs and obscure Canadian actresses into an utterly demented belief system.

Ralph is your garden-variety Blacked legion virgin, Leonard truly served the Four.
 
Coming from other competitive stuff like fighting games n MOBAs, I'm used to consolidation of any kind usually meaning watering down complexity in favor for mass appeal but it makes sense here.
Especially from the competitive side of things, giving sub factions even more options isn't a benefit either. You could have 20 detachments for a faction but it's meaningless if 15 of them aren't ever worth running and 1 is still significantly better than the other 4.

This isn't even too much of an exaggeration either since snowflake loyalist chapters run into this. Blood Angels have a 50% win rate competitively. Perfect, right? They have access to the main 8 normal space marine detachments plus an additional 4 specific to the snowflake subfaction, so 12 total.
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So of the 12 detachments available, only 6 get play(this is from the 2nd half of June and first half of July), and half of those are basically statistically insignificant, with an obvious favoring within the top 3. And this is after multiple "nerfs" to prevent snowflake marine chapters from getting the main space marine army rule(oath of moment, basically people were playing "blood angels" with no BA units or characters) in full, while using their own detachments in conjunction with it(leading to some lame broken combinations). It's the same shit for space wolves, dark angels, black templars, and deathwatch.

Now why this is even an issue in the first place is because GW is fucking retarded. CSM monogod armies don't get to just pick generic CSM detachments and units. It makes sense for Ynnari and Harlequins basically just being a half dozen or fewer models(and fits the lore as well), but for the snowflake marine chapters they just get everything. It even applies the other way around so if you're a space marine player with a "codex compliant" army, as long as you aren't using chapter specific characters(Calgar, vulkan he'stan, etc.) you get 24 detachments to pick from for rules.(soon to be 27 once the black templar codex comes out). It's a nightmare to balance, and at the end of the day is just a meaningless amount of "choice".
 
Pick your poison.
Those weren't choices, that was 40k in its entirety up until halfway through 9th. What are choices would be anyone saying otherwise as they're either
A: Lying
B: Were lucky and on the good end of the shitty balance and never paid attention to the rest of the game
C: Have a serious case of rose tinted nostalgia goggles
D: Were and maybe still are one of those people that plays maybe once a year and just never noticed anything
 
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