Navigating male friendships as a trans man - Cis guys conditioned to chat about poker, women, football

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It’s uncommon for a columnist in any publication to write about navigating friendships, but I feel the need to talk about navigating male friendships as a transgender man. In doing so, I will highlight what is wrong with men these days — and what is not wrong — and I can pinpoint various areas where masculinity still remains toxic, and areas where it doesn’t.

When I first started transitioning to be a man I hated all cisgender men: they were the bane of my existence. I was conditioned to hate cis men because they historically were the ones who repressed trans people. I found though, that when I went on testosterone and started passing as a man all the time, that people suddenly expected me to be nice to cisgender men and to be friends with them.

As a trans man, let me dissect what it’s like to find the right guy friend. Let’s first take a look at all men. Let’s say, for instance, that 70% of men are transphobic to some degree. Suddenly, I am faced with only making friends with 30% of these remaining men. Out of these 30% of men, some will not have the same hobbies as me, share the same interests, share the same educational background, or be in the same age bracket as me. Only 5% of these men are similar to me in some way shape or form: they might like literature, they might be smart, they might have traveled to many countries, they might also have a twin, and they might be roughly the same age, or work in the same industry.

I have had many cis men as friends. But even among those woke, non-transphobic men, there are a few issues that arise. The first is that I have a difficult time talking about any surgeries with them or about my bottom dysphoria. In this same vein, it is difficult to talk to them about anything trans-related, because trans-related issues do not conform to cisgender culture. I’ve found that even the most well meaning, progressive men find talking about something like dysphoria awkward. Cisgender men are conditioned to make small talk about the NBA, poker, women, and football.

Perhaps I take issue with how all cisgender men are socialized, then. I’ve found that cisgender, straight men are conditioned to not talk about their emotions or have conversations about love or sex. As a former woman these types of conversations were very commonplace, either in the Yale women cross country’s locker room or in small group settings with female roommates.

It is hard to find a man who I can talk to about transphobia or bottom dysphoria. On that note, the best “male” friends I have in the current day are actually cisgender men who are secretly trans women. It’s shocking, at first, to learn that my close friend from college is secretly a trans woman. But then it’s enlightening, and it makes sense why they were so comfortable with me being trans to begin with. It’s sad, though, that the only “men” I feel the closest to are those who secretly don’t want to be men. It’s not sad in the sense that I don’t want them to transition —every bit of me wants them to transition — but it’s sad that I can’t get close to other cis men in the same way.

Most of the men I’ve talked about in this piece are straight, cis men, and I have neglected to speak about gay or queer cis men. In a previous piece for the Blade, I spoke of issues in gay men’s culture. I’ve found that there are many cisgender gay men who mean well for trans men, but that in another regard, a lot of cis gay men are socialized to cast social judgments and prioritize being skinny and fashionable instead of developing genuine friendships, especially when they are in their 20s and 30s. Instead, I’ve gravitated toward being friends with straight men mainly because I also harbor an attraction to women, and I do, admittedly, like to occasionally make raunchy and lewd jokes, and I feel less judged by straight men. Such a statement may come across as bold, but the truth is that I have very few gay male friends.

In any event, dissecting male friendships as a trans man is difficult and multifaceted, but worth it nonetheless. As a trans man, it’s fascinating to study other men, and in particular the ways in which they maintain, or don’t maintain, friendships. I am eternally perplexed by how some men make jokes and cut others out of friendship circles, but also happy that, at the end of the day, both straight and queer cisgender men can be accepting of someone like me.
 
For me, the key to friendships is finding people I don’t have to bullshit with but can actually say what I think whether they agree or not. This is the bridge a pooner will never be able to cross because “You have to believe my bullshit” is the price of admission to interacting with them.
You also have to be willing to give and take some well meaning shit-talking to each other which this pooner almost certainly lacks the emotional maturity to withstand.
 
Isn't this largely true of both sexes though? Like how often do you discuss sex with male friends? A lot of it is because most people are straight and most men can't relate to sucking or taking dick, but even with gay people, the same rule seems to follow. We are just biologically conditoned to be open to people with some sibjects who can truly empathise with us. Emotions, physical sensation, as well as in a socially conditioned context. A woman can never truly know what it means and feels like to be a man having sex, and vice versa.

It doesn't mean superficial discussion doesn't ever happen but you know.
Never, I never have reason to talk to male friends about sex, that would just be awkward.
The whole reason that male/female friendships can work is if sex is nowhere near the scenario.

But women don’t talk about sex that much, even with close friends.
Or I’ve never hung out with cock hungry women, either one.

But on the mention of gay: I have heard so much about sex from gay men.
More than I ever wanted.
I know about “pre-date” preparations and how long they should not eat before, I’ve seen way too many anonymous dicks and asses from Grindr, I’ve heard about so much sex and promiscuity from gay men.
They don’t care, they’ll talk about eating another man’s ass in front of women.
 
Yet another example of pooners being unable to get the faintest glimpse of the male mind.

I literally learned the name of one of my friends a year or so after meeting the guy; years after THAT, I learned that he had been dating one of my college classmates (who eventually became his wife) long before I met either of them. We dealt with each other by nicknames, and first started talking because he was frustrated at needing to use subtitles to watch Trainspotting, and I was nearby, having a mild spergout about accents at a mutual friend's birthday party. We just happened to have some coinciding interests, and managed to start a friendship of ~15 years based on our mutual lack of comprehension of Scots English.

Compare that to the pooner nitpicking people, hoping that she might find someone that she might be interested in considering worthy of initiating a friendship with, based on inherently unrelatable ideas ("Haha, I, too, like to scratch my frankensack along its line of installation stitches, fellow manly doods").
 
This is my favorite article subgenre. There was one years ago where one of these was shocked when no one was talking to or smiling at each other in the men's room.

I don't watch anime so I don't know where they get their ideas on what guys are like, but it seems like these are women who think all men are like gay men, is that about right? I text jokes to my friends and on the rare occasion I see them we just goof off doing whatever the activity is, then go home. That's pretty much the norm, 95% leave us alone, 5% "who'll laugh at this?" and the answer's never going to be this Yalie.
 
Cisgender men are conditioned to make small talk about the NBA, poker, women, and football.
Yes, that's why it's small talk. When I'm in the office chatting at the water cooler with another guy, neither of us want to talk about our new moisturizers or what brand of dress shirt we like most or our personal feelings about the concepts of romance. It's going to be about college sports, the recent game, car talk, winning/losing a bet, very general info about a date, a new movie, or (most likely) some work thing. If you know them better, maybe you mention some more details about a relationship (but still remain very general without mentioning details in depth), something about working out, a hobby you both share, or maybe politics. This is normal. Nobody wants to talk about other things because no man wants to hear about other things when they have their own problems to worry about.

Does this pooner not have a working theory of mind? Why does she think a guy she barely knows wants to hear about her intimate personal life? No man has time for that unless they're getting something in exchange. And how does she face this problem without realizing that there really are major differences between males and females that can't be bridged by just changing your clothes?
 
She’s a (identical) twin. Trooning seems more common in that demographic.

Got dragged around the world with her sister. Another risk factor we see a lot.

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Perhaps I take issue with how all cisgender men are socialized, then. I’ve found that cisgender, straight men are conditioned to not talk about their emotions or have conversations about love or sex. As a former woman these types of conversations were very commonplace, either in the Yale women cross country’s locker room or in small group settings with female roommates.

It is hard to find a man who I can talk to about transphobia or bottom dysphoria.
HAHAHA OH WOW.

These uh, individuals, have made it so much easier for me to understand how batshit retarded troons must sound like, to an average woman. The things these pooners say have absolutely no sense at all, trying to impersonate a dude and completely failing in the process. :story:

She really thinks that we dudes hang out and talk about our feelings, or about our cock and balls... as opposed to, y'know, talk about baseball, our shitty jobs and some broad you're trying to bang, while sipping beer. LMAO.
 
I don't watch anime so I don't know where they get their ideas on what guys are like, but it seems like these are women who think all men are like gay men, is that about right? I text jokes to my friends and on the rare occasion I see them we just goof off doing whatever the activity is, then go home. That's pretty much the norm, 95% leave us alone, 5% "who'll laugh at this?" and the answer's never going to be this Yalie.
I do think a lot of it is TV and movies, where two people who are sharing a space MUST be talking to each other, and they MUST be having a semi-interesting conversation.

They don't talk how real people talk or act the way real people act.
 
Pooners end up chasing some comical caricature of what they think men are, when they couldn't enjoy a televised sports event or a card game if their life depended on it.
I've never seen this, they all turn into offputting nerd-gays like this one. Male trannies become over-the-top bimbo slut caricatures of women but pooners don't slap on a snapback hat and Pit Vipers and start making 6.0 Powerstroke jokes at the BBQ.

This particular woman has a very odd vibe as @Safir mentioned, Elliot Rodger-type shit. ONLY FIVE PERCENT OF THE UPPER QUARTILE OF MOIDS MAKE SUITABLE CHUMS, ALSO MY PHALLUS HAS BEGUN TO TURN PURPLE AND FALL OFF AS NORMAL MALE PHALLUSES DO.
 
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