Post Ratings Discussion

[Null]

Do negrate reports actually happen?

continuously. less so after removing notifications.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Do negrate reports actually happen? I didn't know people actually were this retarded.

It helps when you don't skim his posts because he brings it up a lot.

 

[Adamska]

It is very specifically the unintentional uses of vicarious thread watching + dopamine farming that is the issue.

I have an idea that may be amusing at least if this unintended consequence bothers you that much. What if whenever someone reports ratings or cries about it, they get a new triangle equivalent and get the label "Dope Farmer", which also disallows them from seeing their own ratings since they care too much about it?

And then when they bitch more about it because of that, banish them to the Reddit Zone or something where their screams are recorded or unheard or something. Good behavior and not kvetching about it for like a month causes "Dope Farmer" to enter rehab.

 

[myhairisonfire]

It is very specifically the unintentional uses of vicarious thread watching + dopamine farming that is the issue.

Then:
- put all the reaction notifications, etc, back to their defaults
- ban anybody who reports about stickers
- stop fucking around with Xenforo like you have repeatedly said you would

Your time is better served working on Sneedforo or eating cheese.

 

[Harvey Danger]

cute way to twist my words but it's more about having to actually take time out to deal with it + long standing community issues from spergs fighting over ratings. and yes it's a thing.

I'm not being snarky, I consider it a real problem and I'm trying to suggest ways to solve it. Shitty users are an issue everywhere, including corporate websites. I've seen this problem (in less autistic form) happen multiple times in professional settings. Whether you use those words or not, admin burnout and fatigue are part of the design challenge, and their headaches should be minimized.

Retaining your most faggoty users, nuking incredibly popular features, and calling workarounds for known problems "retard dopamine chasing" does not minimize your headaches.

 

[Diggus Bickus]

It helps when you don't skim his posts because he brings it up a lot.

I haven't exactly been skimming his posts, most of it is just me believing it's hyperbole since a lot of the reactions in general to this situation have been hyperbole from both sides.

continuously. less so after removing notifications.

I can honestly see why you'd then see the negative reception to the change as such then. But I believe others such as the lads above me have given better solutions to the issue. As I said to you personally regardless, I'm going to patiently wait for the rewrite, see what your vision for the website is, since there's only so much you can do over Xenforo.

 

[Null]

sure lets just fucking ban everyone. how about this, I just close this dumpster down, change my name to Rajeet Pajeet Sukdik, and get $250k/yr job. If I did that, I'd never have to listen to people whine about stickers and I'd never have to make the same argument 20 fucking times about the word doxing that's answered in the first fucking page of the fucking thread

 

[A Cardboard Box]

It is very specifically the unintentional uses of vicarious thread watching + dopamine farming that is the issue.

As I said with the first one, they're just going to have to figure out how to use it regardless. They're going to be upset, but their position is just nonsensical. For the second one, that's more difficult. Personally, I always liked the system (presumably it still works this way on the backend) where different reactions are weighted differently. I know that Informative was pretty highly weighted and intentionally so to try and encourage posts which provide new information or a novel point of view.

Now sitting here, I can't come up with an answer off the top of my head, but my gut tells me there's something there, that there's a solution in that system where making a post that is just agreeable is weighted less than one which is more helpful or informative.

As for negrate feuds, I know you don't like to do it, but I really do think at some point they are just going to need some kind of disciplinary action. I know users can have their ability to rate disabled, maybe users that bitch about being negrated and obvious dopamine whores can have their ability to view ratings disabled as well. Now, I want to disclaim that I'm not a code lord, and have no idea how feasible that is, but that's my initial reaction.

 

[Null]

they're just going to have to figure out how to use it regardless

matter of fact: i can stop them from doing that. unfortunately, there's strength in numbers and annoying the fuck out of me and threatening me.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Can't you just deactivate the reaction page/sticker usage for problem users? If Joe Schmoe and Schmoe Joe keep slapfighting each other, complaining, and reporting each other over reactions and stickers, take away the function for both users until they chill the fuck out. Or, for habitual offenders, take away the privileges permanently. Has this not already been considered?

 

[A Cardboard Box]

matter of fact: i can stop them from doing that. unfortunately, there's strength in numbers and annoying the fuck out of me and threatening me.

I'm not going to pretend I have a magic bullet solution.

What I would personally try to do is to create a solution, a final one if you will, to the sticker question, one that more or less fits your vision for how the site should work and how reactions should be handled. Once that solution is ready, integrate it with a post explaining why exactly it's happening.

Yes I know people will still bitch, yes I know people will be mad, but I sincerely, truly doubt anyone is going to do anything other than screech for a while before quietly falling in line. A few might leave, but you're unfortunately the head of a website that is large enough that, no matter what course you choose, you will upset some number of users.

I'm sorry if this isn't helpful, but I'm genuinely trying to come up with some ideas to issues you're describing. I also personally believe that, at this point, you need some kind of community manager. It sounds fucking gay, and I know your initial reaction is going to be negative, but I genuinely do recommend that you try and find a member of the forum that will volunteer to be your PR guy. It's obviously very stressful for you, and, let's be real, you aren't the easiest guy to get along with.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

It is very specifically the unintentional uses of vicarious thread watching... that is the issue.

Please explain to me, like I'm a retard, how going back to check on a thread that other users are currently reading was ever an issue. Please also consider this method never broke unlike New Posts does every day.

 

[cursed autist silver]

>sticker dopamine addiction isn’t ironic
try switching to crack, it would be less detrimental

 

[WhoBusTank69]

>sticker dopamine addiction isn’t ironic
try switching to crack, it would be less detrimental

Every time it comes up people try to justify it like a junkie needing their fix.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Can't you just deactivate the reaction page/sticker usage for problem users? If Joe Schmoe and Schmoe Joe keep slapfighting each other, complaining, and reporting each other over reactions and stickers, take away the function for both users until they chill the fuck out.

This would be ideal, assuming Xenforo supports it. I can't imagine this requiring more mod time/resources than handling the current slapfight situations. It also gives them a useful threat halfway between a warning and a full ban.

The other question is what % of users would need to be slapped like this. From everything I've heard on both sides of the Sticker Wars, it sounds like a much smaller group than the % of users who quietly use the Reactions page without giving mods grief. All the attacks now are coming from that larger group (myself included) when they get slapped for shit the smaller group does.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

This would be ideal, assuming Xenforo supports it. I can't imagine this requiring more mod time/resources than handling the current slapfight situations. It also gives them a useful threat halfway between a warning and a full ban.

The other question is what % of users would need to be slapped like this. From everything I've heard on both sides of the Sticker Wars, it sounds like a much smaller group than the % of users who quietly use the Reactions page without giving mods grief. All the attacks now are coming from that larger group (myself included) when they get slapped for shit the smaller group does.

I simply do not see the fairness in punishing the whole community for a few shitbirds. Go back to the way things were before, tell everyone they can and will have their reaction page/sticker privileges revoked if they cause problems, and give mods the power to do so at their discretion.

 

[CallmeCicada]

Reactions provide meaningful feedback and also help with highlighting content (an algo which can and will be improved later). I want people to be able to react to content, I want reactions to have meaning, and I want reactions to help improve the browsing experience for everyone. I've said all this before. They do have value.

It is very specifically the unintentional uses of vicarious thread watching + dopamine farming that is the issue.

I like seeing which of my posts are being interacted with. If I was able to have an option to sort the "your content" page so it would bump posts that have recently been interacted with I would be happy with that.

I know you think its stupid to navigate the website like that, but it gives me a quick indication of which of my specific threads that I am in has people actively in, interested specifically in what I was discussing, I can go instantly to my post or jump right to the thread or users account. Also I dont want to have to watch threads I only have a passing interest in, so getting occasional notifications from threads like that, that will organically fade as people move on from the topic is useful. But also I will occasionally get a notification of an old thread I made a comment in and it will remind/interest me to go look at that thread again.

It's like a live feed of things I am interested in. I also do use watched threads too, but I mostly use them as a bookmark and don't actively go to most of my watched threads other than a few of them.

Just because you think it's dumb doesn't mean it isn't fun/useful for other people. I hope this helped you make sense of it a little if only from my perspective. Thank you if you read this to the end. Have a great day Josh, it's appreciated.

Also, I want to add that seeing everyone profiles is very fun, I find them a unique and creative expression of the community and I have a lot of fun talking with people on their profilies, probably as much as responding to threads. I am interested in the site and it's users. And it was a great device to achieve interacting/becoming familiar with other users.

 

[Lords Greatsword]

Lmao, who the fuck is sending reports over negrates?
I'd ask if you've ever just called them a nigger and told them to fuck off but I get the impression that's probably happened plenty of times as is.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

continuously. less so after removing notifications.

Temp ban people making reports over being negrated, and upgrade it to a permanent ban if they don't get the hint after 2-3 times.

I don't see why everyone should suffer the consequences of a few retards on the forum.

 

[Null]

just so we're clear, "everyone" in this instance is like 100 people who use the reaction page to navigate the site. It's not "everyone", it's YOU.

and the system as it was encourages infighting and petty bullshit. if I'm banning people for negrating or banning people for crying about negrating I AM STILL DEALING WITH MORE BULLSHIT.