TJLC - The JohnLock Conspiracy - Fine Whine Tasting Session

Cynosura said:
Ah yes OTPs not becoming canon is a perfectly good reason to file complaints
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I don't know anything about this show aside from the fandom being cancerous, but one part of this post caught my attention.
>bring up the shitty portrayal of women, bring up the abusive relationships...
It reminded me of a section of the Downton Abbey fandom, who, when the show's creator Julian Fellowes didn't bend to the fandom's wants and desires, declared that he didn't know how to write women, created shitty relationships for them and also didn't know how to write gays (meaning he actually wrote the one gay character very well, but gave him a slightly shitty plotline quite apart from his sexuality, but ofc his fans don't see that). I wonder if it's a usual thing to immediately start accusing the creator of a show being a sexist/homophobe/whatever whenever things don't go their way. I saw so much of it with Downton in its relatively sane-ish fandom, so I'm not that suprised to see it with Sherlock, a series with much 'tism amongst its fans.
 
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ure_mum said:
I wonder if it's a usual thing to immediately start accusing the creator of a show being a sexist/homophobe/whatever whenever things don't go their way. I saw so much of it with Downton in its relatively sane-ish fandom, so I'm not that suprised to see it with Sherlock, a series with much 'tism amongst its fans.
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Believe me, it's EXTREMELY common. I remember seeing that already in the late 90's/early 2000's and it's still going on in almost every fandom in existence. Looks like the bitchy teenage girls who howled at every female love interest while slashing all the hot bishies together never really outgrew that shit.

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"shitty portrayal of women" nigga you were the ones REEEEEEEEing over Watson being a woman in Elementary. Don't pretend like you care about anything other than jilling off to two dudes fucking
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Again, this is typical fangirl misogyny. Saw it in 90's/2000's anime fandoms, keep seeing all the time: the fangirls go out of their way to pour hate on every single female character no matter how they're written, purely because they have (fictional) vaginas and they get jealous of them getting near (fictional) cocks.
 
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WatchingAllOfYou said:
Believe me, it's EXTREMELY common. I remember seeing that already in the late 90's/early 2000's and it's still going on in almost every fandom in existence. Looks like the bitchy teenage girls who howled at every female love interest while slashing all the hot bishies together never really outgrew that shit.



Again, this is typical fangirl misogyny. Saw it in 90's/2000's anime fandoms, keep seeing all the time: the fangirls go out of their way to pour hate on every single female character no matter how they're written, purely because they have (fictional) vaginas and they get jealous of them getting near (fictional) cocks.
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Yep. The Mary Sue and their ilk can act like male gamers or whoever have a monopoly on misogyny in fandom all they want, but I've seen stuff outta yaoitards so nasty it'd make loveshies tell them to tone it down. They might not be able to be nearly as blatent about it on tumblr, but it never went away.

If all these bisexual teenage girls want representation so bad you'd think they'd be all over shit like Madoka or Utena since they have canon queer characters who are teenage girls (thus even more like them than grown men), but of course that's not what it's really about.

I don't think I've ever seen an actual gay men even use the term "queerbaiting", let alone bitch endlessly about it. That's pretty telling.
 
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TheMightyMonarch said:
I thought these tards died out by 2014 but I guess I was wrong.
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The thing about BBC!Sherlock fandom is they pride themselves on the fact they go dormant between seasons.
Lunatic Fringe said:
I did consider making this thread as I watched the crazy building online. One of the shittiest things I've seen these fans do so far is to go after one of the show's creators, Mark Gatiss and call him a queerbaiting whatever and tell him he doesn't understand gay men. His husband might disagree there.
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Don't forget that the crazies in the fandom sent death threats to Martin Freeman's wife who was cast to play his wife on the show. And posted pictures of their children despite the fact that Freeman and his wife do everything they can to keep their private lives private.

Unsure if they went after Cumberbatch and his wife/kid combo as well. Left the fandom when the wife death threats happened.
 
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Southern Belle said:
The thing about BBC!Sherlock fandom is they pride themselves on the fact they go dormant between seasons.

Don't forget that the crazies in the fandom sent death threats to Martin Freeman's wife who was cast to play his wife on the show. And posted pictures of their children despite the fact that Freeman and his wife do everything they can to keep their private lives private.

Unsure if they went after Cumberbatch and his wife/kid combo as well. Left the fandom when the wife death threats happened.
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Weren't they trying to say Cumberbatch's wife wasn't really his wife and just part of some conspiracy to hide the truth of JohnLock?
 
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The truly ridiculous thing is that the show has an open ending. Neither Sherlock or John is killed, married off or sent to raise bees in Sussex. The show ends on the promise that these two are going to carry on doing exactly what they've been doing for the past I-totally-lost-count-and-don't-care-to-look-it-up seasons. They are going to spend the forseeable future living in an artfully shabby flat, solving mysteries, sniping at one another and oh wait raising a child.

And this bunch of entitled teenage crybabies are throwing a multitude of teddies out of a wide variety of different prams because Sherlock and John didn't tearfully swear love eternal then literally make out on screen over the closing credits. This ending is an absolute fucking gift to any fandom with any idea how to produce absolutely anything aside from long-winded meta, and the result is temper tantrums at dawn because the show didn't spoonfeed them absolutely everything they wanted in the most thuddingly literal manner imaginable, then give them a new hat for being So Right. They're not even doing fandom properly, for fuck sake.
 
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millais said:
How does the SuperWhoLock crazies fit into all of this? Or is that a completely different strand of crazy?
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As a recovering Superwholockian - these are the WORST ones.

edited to add: most of the Superwholocks started as Sherlock fans or Doctor Who fans and migrated from one to the other. But pretty much the end result of too much fucking tumblr and no sense of reality to speak of. I'm still trying to figure out how Supernatural got thrown in there, but rest assured, it had to be a Sherlock fan being a dipshit.
 
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Elysian said:
So Gracee appears to be of the opinion that the episode is fake, and that the real episode of Sherlock is actually the very 1st episode of a completely different crime show based on a book called Apple Tree Yard, which will air later this week. Others have latched onto this theory as well with some 1+2=3 HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED-tier logic as their evidence.

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This is some NeverBeGameOver shit right here.
 
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dear sherlock holmes and john watson,
you deserved the world, and i would have given anything so that you could have had it. i am so sorry that i couldn’t. i am so sorry that you were treated so carelessly. i am so sorry that you were silenced.
i know that you love each other and i know that you will be together. i know these things are real and they are certain. who you really are does matter, and who you really are is beautiful. you are untouchable. you are pure. you are light.
i want to thank you for leading me to a community of the greatest people i have ever known. thank you for teaching me. thank you for allowing me to be who i really am when you were not given that same opportunity yourselves.
we will do better. we will honor you. we will never let silence win.
i love you so dearly with all of my heart. my boys. your truths will always be perfect.
thank you.
OH MY FUCKING GOD BITCH THEY'RE NOT REAL.

i keep saying this and i’ll say it again: it was not your fault. it’s not your fault that you were clever enough to read the signs. the signs, the subtext, it was all put there very deliberately. it’s not your fault that you saw them. that makes you brilliant, and clever, and smart.
it’s not your fault that the signs lied. they purposefully laid out dots for you to put together and then made them lead to this. they lied about where the map was going. they lied about what the end of the line was. that’s not your fault. that will never, ever be your fault. it’s all on them.
they knew about tjlc. they knew what they were doing. they lied to you, and that is not your fault.
~~~~friendly reminder that you are valid and the haterz can go choke on their cisscum and die uwuwuuuu~~

And OH MY HOLY CHRIST ON A CRACKER THERE'S A PETITION.
Thousands of LGTBQ people, including youth, were drawn to the series for the hope of representation and a happy ending.
The sloppy mess of the Series 4 finale, The Final Problem, hinted at possibly being the final episode ever, did nothing to do this, even after hinting at it most explicitly in the second episode of the series, The Lying Detective. The Final Problem even explicitly confirmed two sadistic villains as being queer. In addition to blatantly poor characterization, writing, and effects, it confirmed the rest of the show was in fact queerbaiting its audience.
We want to know WHY they did this.
 
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Had a peek on Twitter and it's actually getting worse. They've managed to chase the director of the last episode off Twitter now, he's had enough and deleted his account. They're using the tag Norbury there too to continue this bullshit.

Part of me would love the writers to say they're not doing anymore and then leak the series 5 scripts showing their big affair coming true but of course it will never happen following the tornado of autism and manure.
 
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