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Southern California wildfires add to growing worries about homeowner insurance
The Mercury News (archive.ph)
By Jeff Collins and Pat Maio
2025-01-09 13:44:39GMT
Wildfires spared Tim Scanlon’s Altadena home as of Wednesday afternoon, even after devouring a neighbor’s landscaping and torching several nearby properties.

But the music licensing executive worried that the firestorms rampaging across Los Angeles County still will affect his pocketbook, pushing already rising insurance premiums even higher.

He’s paying $4,500 a year for homeowner insurance, which recently rose by $500.

“After this, who knows if I’m insurable anymore,” Scanlon said while resting beside his house, well within the fire evacuation zone. “If we can’t get insurance up here, our property values will plummet, and in California, that’s our nest egg.”

Blazes raging across Los Angeles County raised new fears about the cost and availability of insurance. After years of skyrocketing rates, a deluge of policy cancellations and insurer departures from the California market, some expect this new devastation will upend insurance reforms now in the process of taking effect.

But California Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara insisted Wednesday, Jan. 8, that this week’s conflagrations won’t make insurance harder to get.

“Insurance companies are pledging their commitment to California, and we will hold them accountable for the promises they have made,” Lara said in a statement.

Regulations developed over the past year will be a “game changer,” his department said.

The regulations give insurance companies more leeway in raising rates, while allowing them to use computer modeling to forecast risk and to incorporate their own “re-insurance” costs from backup providers in setting future premiums. In return, insurance companies are required to write a minimum number of policies in wildfire-prone areas based on their market share.

“Six months ago, we wouldn’t have been in this position,” said Insurance Department spokesman Michael Soller. “We have that confidence that our regulations are in effect, and it’s going to change the insurance picture for people.”

Some insurance industry representatives agree, saying Lara’s regulations will provide a more realistic path forward while stabilizing rate hikes. Under the old rules, rate hike reviews took too long, industry representatives said.

“The market is not going to work unless there is the ability of companies to price to the risk that they face and to get a rate approval from the state in an appropriate amount of time,” said Rex Frazier, president of the Personal Insurance Federation of California, which represents companies providing 75% of policies in the state.

“These are important changes, and honestly, these are changes every other state allows. It’s not as if this is a novel change,” Frazier added. “California has a very protective attitude towards pricing.”

If anything, this week’s wildfires are an example of why reforms are needed, said Janet Ruiz, the Western U.S. spokesperson for the Insurance Information Institute.

“Insurance companies want to be in California. It’s the largest insurance market in the country,” Ruiz said. “But we have to be able to make some profit, and that hasn’t been the case in recent years.”

While it’s too soon to know the financial cost from the fires, AccuWeather issued a preliminary estimate fixing total losses at $52 to $57 billion as of Wednesday.

Bloomberg News quoted UCLA climatologist Daniel Swain as saying that “it is plausible that the Palisades Fire in particular will become the costliest fire on record, period. Not just in California, but in general.”

Because insurance rates are based on catastrophic losses, Ruiz and Frazier said, providers should be able to handle the claims these fires will generate.

But one analyst told The New York Times that insurance companies could see a drain on their reserves from this week’s wildfires. Another analyst told The Times that the number of homes in Palisades Fire ZIP codes that are enrolled in the state’s insurer of last resort, the FAIR Plan, nearly doubled from 2023 to 2024. If the FAIR Plan can’t cover all the claims from this week’s wildfires, insurance companies operating in the state will have to cover the difference.

It’s not yet clear whether Lara’s new regulations will stem the exodus of insurers from California, Denneile Ritter, a vice president with the American Property Casualty Insurance Association, told The Times.

“We need to see how the reforms are actually implemented,” Ritter said. “We’re optimistic, but it’s too early to tell.”

An attorney who filed a class-action lawsuit last month against Liberty Mutual Insurance over policy non-renewals argued that insurance companies will use this week’s firestorms as an opportunity to raise homeowners’ rates.

“The insurance industry has done a significant job of making themselves the victim,” said Michelle Meyers, an attorney with San Diego-based Singleton Schreiber LLP. “What gets glossed over in that analysis is that in 2023, for example, the property insurance industry that includes homeowner insurance made $88 billion in profits. … And sadly, at the end of the day, I think this will be an opportunity for them to try to take advantage further of their insureds.”

But Consumer Watchdog, a longtime critic of Lara’s reforms, doesn’t expect the wildfires to disrupt the California insurance market.

“We think insurance companies in California are well positioned to handle the claims,” said Carmen Balber, Consumer Watchdog executive director. “We don’t expect any additional pressures on the markets and more (companies leaving) the state.”

State Senator Ben Allen, whose district includes the Palisades Fire, expressed support in a television interview for features included in Lara’s new regulations, including taking projected fire risks into account when setting premiums.

“This is nothing like they’ve ever seen before. The wind, the combination of dryness. There are changing conditions that we’re going to have to take into account when we figure out insurance plans,” Allen, D-Santa Monica, told Fox 11 News. “But in return, we’re going to have to ask more from the insurance industry.”

Meanwhile, Lara announced plans to impose a one-year moratorium on policy cancellations and non-renewals based on wildfire risks in L.A. County wildfire zones.

Pasadena resident Tom Ward, who lives just west of Eaton Canyon, expressed concern about rate hikes while helping a neighbor clear flammable palm fronds from her backyard Wednesday afternoon.

“Based on my history in dealing with insurance companies, I tend to think homeowner insurance will go up,” Ward said. “There is a greed factor in all of this. I hate to be cynical.”
 
We can cheer on bad things happening to bad people, right? At least, specific ones, not just "Fuck all of LA, especially LeBron James!"?
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That's what kiwis do
 
I think a few people in this thread appear to have a bit of a problem...
Up yours, nerd. I have a shrine right now dedicated to Zhurong while screaming and jacking off nonstop as hard as possible saying "YES! YESSS! DIE CALIFORNIA SCUM FUCKS DIE!" while occasionally looking out my window with a huge ass sniper rifle (Like, one of those anime ones) and looking for people with CA plates driving by so I can pop their tires, trap them on my property and then sodomize them to death and burn their corpse in my Zhurong tribute/sacrifice fire pit. Eventually, I plan to rent a blimp, fly it over CA with an advertising message written on it that says "BUCK BREAK CA, FUCK YOU - FROM THE WORLD" while dropping countless boxes filled with Diarreha on the burnt rubble while a sound system blares "EAT SHIT CALIFORNIA" over and over on max volume.

And I'm sorry if you think that is immature or a problem.
 
I was going to say the coastal areas are all blue, but it turned red this election?.....Does this mean they burned down LA because of a fucking election?
That's Orange County in the south, which has long prided itself on being one of the few pieces of sanity in the populated areas (partially purely out of spite towards Los Angeles, I'll admit), and the north is Jefferson country.
 
Any word if that Turkish faggot Hassan lost his house? I'm assuming the faggot lives in L.A.
I can't wait for the follow up lolcow content from residents, dramatizing their early drive out, boo-hoo'ing over minor damage and insurance companies, fundraiser streams for family/friends that are total scams. It's going to be a... slow burn.
 
Can't we just agree that LA sucks ass without inventing stories for why it deserves to go up in flames?
Invent? This satanist flaunted her inverted cross at the presser this morning. We aren't inventing anything.
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Satanist hive going up in flames, you can't convince me this isn't divine justice.
 
I have been told that the insurance companies actually began to pull out of LA and literally cancel their policies to people last year. Something about the CA Gov not allowing them to charge above a certain price and the companies deciding the price they were allowed too was too little to be worth the risk?
 
That's not how the NC flooding happened, extraordinary hurricane amounts rain got trapped on mountainside towns where runoff should've logically happened but didn't. They largely suffered because flooding happened in a place that's floodproof 99% of the time, the natural drain didn't work against all odds. Which in a working government would've been the ideal use of FEMA relief, people wrecked by a natural disaster that was a genuine surprise.
Yeah, I know that, like I know that firestorms that get into cities are rare and saying "Why didn't these tards prevent this?" followed by a whole manifesto of ignorance and retardation about California's alleged failures to manage everything (forests, brushy areas, firebreaks, mountains, federal land, water resources, dams, reservoirs, runoff, etc.) says more about the people commenting than it does about the actual problems that led to this.
 
It gets warm, they burrow, I would assume a lot are hibernating hopefully
The neat thing about tortoises is that they'll actually hibernate anywhere. We had one living in our yard awhile and he slept through the winter in a cardboard box in a quiet, cool part of the house. He had a burrow but it was easier to keep an eye on him with his box.
 
I think a few people in this thread appear to have a bit of a problem distinguishing between (VERY RIGHTFULLY) enjoying the schadenfreude of the Elites & True Believers within California having what they continuously vote for blow up in their face, and straight-up celebrating the destruction and death of the true innocents. I've seen people appearing to Truly & Honestly hope for every single Californian to die in the fires - meanwhile I see California Kiwis here, in this very thread, talk about how most of the rural state is Republican and equally fed up with the incompetent government as the rest of us, and how people within the state voted for the preventative fire measures that their government flat-out ignored. The Government and the Powerful have reaped what they sew, and so have the True Believer niggers & kikes who propagate it, but the people who see shit like the local Husband-and-Wife Bunny Museum burning down, and California Kiwis within this very thread talking about helping their Church Communities, yet continue to unironically hope for everyone's continued suffering, are a bit overzealous in lumping literally every Californian together.

There's an argument to be made that these people should leave, but that is asking people to uproot their lives/families, perhaps in the place they were born, and things will never get better there if all the good people literally give up.
Collateral damage, no matter how horrible, is always unavoidable if you want to win. Field of glory is never a pretty sight. Besides, even tho they might not be part of the degens, they still always just turn the other cheek, and tolerate the evil, and let it thrive.
 
They detract and distract from what’s being said. It seems to reduce the impact of what’s being said IMO.
Some deaf girl once told me sign language its faster than captions so that might be why.

They (channels) are legally obligated to do it anyway.
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I honestly didn't think the richest farmer would be Jewish.
He's not actually doing any farming.
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Insurance companies are going to bail on this one guaranteed, call it force majeure or an act of god.

Reality is cali is royally screwed, not by climate change but by a lack of water that was going to happen sooner or later regardless of weather. The fires are a symptom not the problem and a place without water is truly uninhabitable. Any kiwis living there heed my advice and sell, leave before it turns into a dry Detroit and your home becomes worthless.

Is not like there was no warning:
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And before anyone starts with the retardation that book is old and has nothing to do with climate change, it simply points to the obvious fact that California and the southwest in general was always a dry inhospitable place and it always lacked water. Most of the trees and farming you see there are the product of man-made efforts, those weren't there before industrial civilization showed up as there wasn't enough water around. But now all the aquifers are running dry, states up north can't afford to sell more water downstream and desal tech is not advanced enough to keep so many people with such standards of living.

Again, leave while you can, for most Americans their home is most if not all of their assets, if it becomes worthless odds are you might fall into generational poverty.
They may not have water, but they do have almond milk:
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Pottery...
There is something so incredibly Old Testament Wrath of God with most Cali seasonal disasters. This one just turns the dial up to 11.
The irony of quoting a jewish book for a disaster on an area that's full of jews.

But no there's no god in this, they simply moved to a greenified desert that's now running out of water, simple as.
dumping used motor oil in the river
You forgot the cooking oil and car batteries, amateur hour...
It's crazy to see these reporters react this way. Usually they're so unaffected.
Because for once its happening to them.

Anyway, wish my school had burned to the ground...
 
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Yeah, I know that, like I know that firestorms that get into cities are rare and saying "Why didn't these tards prevent this?" followed by a whole manifesto or ignorance and retardation about California's alleged failures to manage everything (forests, brushy areas, firebreaks, mountains, federal land, water resources, dams, reservoirs, runoff, etc.) says more about the people commenting than it does about the actual problems that led to this.
"why didn't these tards have water in their fire hydrants?" is not a stupid question, you dumb nigger. it's a basic necessity that wasn't kept up on by the fucking retarded nigger mayor. i don't know what's so hard to get about this. they had plenty of warning from a bunch of outside groups AND people in the california govt telling them they needed to make sure this was taken care of. people voted for fucking fire provisions. they didn't get them.

this is an absolute travesty of government mismanagement that no single individual californian is to blame for, but when this is who you vote for, consistently, for 40 fucking years, a full generation or more, what the fuck do you expect?

you've fed hyper-incompetence into the government system for that whole time, why would it suddenly improve out of nowhere now, when DEI policies are at the highest point of repercussions they've ever been? you seem like you're being willfully ignorant of the problem here.
 
It's crazy to see these reporters react this way. Usually they're so unaffected.


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"everything up here has been destroyed"
"home after home after home"
"the rebuilding process, you know how that's gonna go"
"This is where I spent a lot of my summer vacations, as a little boy in upscale neighborhoods installing carpet"
"Italian restaurant that is burned"
They're realizing how much this impacts major Democrat donors.
 
"why didn't these tards have water in their fire hydrants?" is not a stupid question, you dumb nigger. it's a basic necessity that wasn't kept up on by the fucking retarded nigger mayor. i don't know what's so hard to get about this. they had plenty of warning from a bunch of outside groups AND people in the california govt telling them they needed to make sure this was taken care of. people voted for fucking fire provisions. they didn't get them.
You get what you vote for. I'm sure they'll still re-elect the nigger or find some fresh out of Kabul sand nigger muslim to vote in like a good Californian nigger cattle vooter.
 
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