yeah she's like the only scion who's involved in the Thirteenth storyline
Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company
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SuffahWhorse
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There is (apparently) a Plugin making the rounds called Player Scope. It can Track massive amounts of your game data without you even knowing. Most importantly it can actually see your Account ID and allows people to figure out ones Alts and connect them to Mains. It can also track a players retainer. Funnily enough, to opt out you have to actually download the plugin to then disable it form sharing your data instead of it being opt in.
So.....yeah
So.....yeah
This is an absolute nothingburger and will do nothing to 99% of the people who play the game.
What this will do is that it's going to hold MB hogs and sub lords accountable, and make some drama in the RP community in the cases of players having multiple characters that they use to go to the same venue but want to play it off as if they're actually different people IRL for it.
SE enabled this by making the blacklist block that player's entire Account ID so of course that needs to be visible to the client when you block them.
You're a fucking idiot. To opt out of it you need to be whitelisted in the first place, which means DMing the user on discord at @generall.
Edit 2: I'm checking this out, it's currently whitelist-only because he didn't want to make the IP Address that the plugin uses public. How ironic.
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Update with more information: Liza Carvelli's RetainerTrack program has had this functionality since Dawntrail was released without anyone complaining, and the non-account ID things since RT was launched.
Veyn (The BossMod and Navmesh guy) also has a tracker plugin but it has to be installed manually.
Generall took the plugin's server IP down because someone made a reddit post, despite this there are only 14 people in the discord. It isn't popular by any means and most of the people there only joined after the post was made.
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And then you doubleposted to keep everyone up to date with more information about it.
I don't know, sounds like a funny little hiccup than a total nothingburger. You even said it yourself:
That sort of drama would be hilarious to see.
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Too much effort to single out and humiliate some random person for erp-ing and/or having alts. Ill just call them faggots ans keep going on my day.
yeah i know
It really is funny seeing everyone who has literally nothing to worry about panicking about it, and the people who have the most to worry about not even care.
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It's an interesting situation to chew on. People are acting like the current functionality makes them vulnerable and that SE should somehow be sued over this under GDPR - I've seen some pretty retarded takes in those threads, but that one takes the cake.
The only point at which the account-ID becomes related to PII is if SE has a wider data breach that exposes payment/customer information and relates it to account-ID. But the same would be true if it related it to character-ID or any other internal identifier -- stupid. It's the same thing as suggesting that XBL gamertags are PII, since if somehow your customer info leaked and had some correlation to the tag, someone who knew the tag could learn about you. OR I guess if people are stupid and use the same account name everywhere, their alts are no longer one step away from the normal doxing avenues.
In reality, if SE wants the blacklist shit to be done client-side, there's no way around a plugin like this doing what it does. And I can see a good argument for having it done client-side over server-side, particularly since you have to imagine that the Japanese (and for that matter the Europeans) aren't going to have anywhere near the amount of retarded, degenerate shit-flinging and hissyfits that typically lead to bulked-up blacklists.
If SE wanted to do it all server-side, that means that for every message sent by an individual, they have to consider the set of possible recipients for that message. Private messages are just the intended target; party is just the party; and novice-network and shout and say are all obviously the bigger groupings. Then, for every single person in that recipient-set, they have to scan through each of those peoples' blacklist, and if the sender-ID matches a blacklist-ID, then they flag that message to send the blacklist message to that particular recipient.
By comparison, if you do this client-side, that means for each message you would see, your game compares that message-recipient's ID to your blacklist IDs.
If we assume that there are 100 people in a given channel, each of whom has a 5-member blacklist, per message, you are doing 99 x 5 checks serverside if the sender is blacklisted by no-one. If you change this over to client-side, that's 99 people making 5 checks. While there are ways to speed this up to some extent, that's still a lot of comparisons to do for every single message. Sure, yes, SE is an enterprise business in computer entertainment in the year 2025, but they're also cheap bastards and would save on power by performing 99x5 less checks per message in my example. Incrementally, that can be a lot when you consider there's probably tens of millions of messages per day they're running through.
That said, there's just about zero reason not to hash (or otherwise mask) the account-IDs before you send them out to clients. In an ideal world, you'd even have the hashing function use the recipient-ID as part of the hash such that each player sees each other players' ID differently. This would mean that for every message, SE performs 99 hashing functions to pass the sender-ID along, which is a lot less work than 99 x 5 comparisons. So to say, if my client regards ThunderNads ChadBerry as abc, another player's client might regard him as bbc -- and that would would mean that plugins like this wouldn't be able to just create a repository and dump Accountnumber->[Charname,Charname] that easily. And boy is it easy to create these lists as-is lol
But like I said, if this is done clientside, you can never ultimately escape it. If I know LongJohn DongGone has been hashed as player bbw, and that matches the hash of CrabCakes InCookie, then I know that this is the same player and can report this relationship to some repository. But this fills much more slowly and is much, much more likely to be incomplete - since it necessarily depends on you getting blacklisted on one character and then messaging on the other in an environment where the same recipient can see it.
In reality, if SE wants the blacklist shit to be done client-side, there's no way around a plugin like this doing what it does. And I can see a good argument for having it done client-side over server-side, particularly since you have to imagine that the Japanese (and for that matter the Europeans) aren't going to have anywhere near the amount of retarded, degenerate shit-flinging and hissyfits that typically lead to bulked-up blacklists.
If SE wanted to do it all server-side, that means that for every message sent by an individual, they have to consider the set of possible recipients for that message. Private messages are just the intended target; party is just the party; and novice-network and shout and say are all obviously the bigger groupings. Then, for every single person in that recipient-set, they have to scan through each of those peoples' blacklist, and if the sender-ID matches a blacklist-ID, then they flag that message to send the blacklist message to that particular recipient.
By comparison, if you do this client-side, that means for each message you would see, your game compares that message-recipient's ID to your blacklist IDs.
If we assume that there are 100 people in a given channel, each of whom has a 5-member blacklist, per message, you are doing 99 x 5 checks serverside if the sender is blacklisted by no-one. If you change this over to client-side, that's 99 people making 5 checks. While there are ways to speed this up to some extent, that's still a lot of comparisons to do for every single message. Sure, yes, SE is an enterprise business in computer entertainment in the year 2025, but they're also cheap bastards and would save on power by performing 99x5 less checks per message in my example. Incrementally, that can be a lot when you consider there's probably tens of millions of messages per day they're running through.
That said, there's just about zero reason not to hash (or otherwise mask) the account-IDs before you send them out to clients. In an ideal world, you'd even have the hashing function use the recipient-ID as part of the hash such that each player sees each other players' ID differently. This would mean that for every message, SE performs 99 hashing functions to pass the sender-ID along, which is a lot less work than 99 x 5 comparisons. So to say, if my client regards ThunderNads ChadBerry as abc, another player's client might regard him as bbc -- and that would would mean that plugins like this wouldn't be able to just create a repository and dump Accountnumber->[Charname,Charname] that easily. And boy is it easy to create these lists as-is lol
But like I said, if this is done clientside, you can never ultimately escape it. If I know LongJohn DongGone has been hashed as player bbw, and that matches the hash of CrabCakes InCookie, then I know that this is the same player and can report this relationship to some repository. But this fills much more slowly and is much, much more likely to be incomplete - since it necessarily depends on you getting blacklisted on one character and then messaging on the other in an environment where the same recipient can see it.
Well Intentioned
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That sort of shit sometimes is necessary in localization, though. There are some things which don't translate 1:1 perfectly from Japanese to English (honorifics being the big one), there are cultural jokes or wordplay that wouldn't work going to another language, etc.
To be clear, though, there's a big difference between adjusting something to make it understandable to the audience and deciding to insert genderspecial bullshit like what Kate was doing (even though, yes, there is a basis in folklore for what she was wanting to do, but no, that wasn't why she was doing it.)
I've mentioned this website before, but this is a good breakdown and comparison of how different approaches (and not understanding the nuances of the Japanese language for a non-native speaker) can lead to different results.
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> we got more dialogue for zero, who was only in the EW post-patches than we did for emet-selch throughout the entire game
> we had three, maybe even four times as much dialogue for the fucking weird cat
> hey yall, remember when people were complaining about lyse? turns out there's about as much dialogue for zero already as there was for lyse in the entirety of stormblood.
i mean, you look at Alphinaud in HW and Graha in EW, and you look at Erenville in DT, and you go 'alright, that seems sane'. In a lot of cases, a protagonist of the story is taking a bit over 1000 words per expac. that's chunky, but it's not insane.
and then you look at wuk lmao and she had nearly three times that, my god.
and THEN you look and realise that in Endwalker Wuk, who was only around for the .5 and .55 patches? said as much as EW erenville, who was there from labyrinthos.
jesus wept.
They're both the main perspective character of those arcs (plus post-EW is mostly one continous narrative compared to the split one of SB, and Zero is a fish out of water so she needs to be more centered), so this is understandable. Trooncat is way too much and should have been mitigated by having koana or literally anyone else show us around the region for a part of it.
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Would we even need Mexican G'raha? They set up Erenville as being the local guide because he was from notMexico and then decided instead to focus on trooncat to the detriment of everything.
We wouldn't need him, but diversifying the number of characters that you experience the story through is always a good idea unless there's an explicitly stated reason to not. It helps get rid of feelings of an unreliable narrator (Even if one of them is actually unreliable, it makes the others seem more authentic.).
Sunflower Samurai
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Here is some reddit pearclutching and fearmongering over the PlayerScope Plugin
Here is the more bigger post about it
Here is the more bigger post about it
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There's a new free login campaign and here am wondering: isn't it odd that this time there isn't some "must not have played for at least 30/90 days"? Don't usually pay attention to free login campaigns since I happened to be subbed when they go active.
Well Intentioned
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Yeah, one of the reasons why Lyse has less lines than Wuk Lamat is because you have characters like Gosetsu, Hien, Hancock, etc. to spread the narrative load around.
Plus you had the various Scions actually doing shit instead of 'gee willikers that sounds like a great idea, Trooncat!"
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I suggest reading the link next time. As there is a "must not have played for at least 30 days" rule.
Don't make me tap the sign.
Highlights from that thread:
How the actual fuck is this relevant?
This is literally the same as FFLOGs, which people are infinitely more likely to be harassed over
Meds.
Has everyone forgotten that this is only possible because the blacklist actually works now? The stalkers literally can't do anything to you because you pressed the "Blacklist" button.
ok coomer
My burner discord doesn't have 2FA but can talk in there, take your meds
TAKE YOUR MEDS, SCHIZO
So, prostitutes, streamers, and stalking victims. Prostitutes of all people should know how to use the block button, streamers too, and this is only possible because the block button now completely prevents someone from making a new alt on a service account to be able to get around it. Sure, this is going to make people who have multiple accounts able to get around the blocklist but that's $10 + a lengthy signup process per account.- Women who have semi popular roleplay / venue accounts can be stalked by any obsessive clients.
- Streamers wont be able to have alts to play the game quietly because the plugin tracks all they own.
- Victims of stalking are basically never escaping their harassers if they play this game.
Mainly: stalking and harassment.
You can report them when they affect you, but with the plugin, it'll just be too easy to make a new account just to keep harassing their target after the old one gets banned because some people's hatred can really be unending.
lol
Lyse is more involved in the Ala Mhigo side, there you have M'naago and Raubahn.
Sunflower Samurai
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Now theres a PC Gamer article about the plugin
Ill ask since im sorta confused about this, does being e-stalked by a retard even matter that much? I keep seeing more emotional responses to why the stalking is bad but is there an actual game disruption? I have been meaning to take alot of whining as retarded hyperbole because the XIV fanbase kinda is very faggy and sensitive
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Slightly related story, a while back I joined some random fc hoping to find a group to do old content. I think I joined 2-3 discord calls trying to do content in the year or so I was in before finally bailing, occasionally seeing exchanges between the generic e-girl FC leader, her weirdo Polish "boyfriend" and the few other spergs with nothing better to do (like me)
In a rare conversation she decided unprompted to explain to me that she and her "bunboy" (who I believe later left the group and she started talking about him like an abusive ex shortly before I realised I'd be happier without any FC) had left a previous group because an even weirder tranny had been stalking them and using mods to make random porn of their avatars and sending her screenshots.
I imagine there's at least one weirdo like that in any of these degen circles who can make your time in game miserable if they feel so inclined. If they're dedicated enough to track down your alts then you probably don't have much recourse except to stop playing the game.
That said anyone who catches the attention of freaks in nightclubs are probably playing stupid games in the first place. The kind of people complaining about this shit are probably just more trannies mad that they can't anonymously ERP on their ten different alts rather than regular players worried about being stalked.