Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[2SLGBQTIA+ 2 Furious]

I've said this before, but look at older threads--especially ones that used to be in the Tumblr subforum. KF was a lot more live-and-let-live about troons even a few years ago.

Some of the change is this a rare safe place to talk freely about transgenderism, and thus drawing people who want to do so. Or people whose previous hangouts were overrun by trans activists. Some of it is the more accepting posters leaving when the anti-trans influx hit. But some of it is previously polite, reasonable transmedical-leaning posters being peaked by the trans actions toward KF specifically.

I'd never even heard of Kiwi Farms when I first saw it trending on Twitter in 2022 during the Keffals stuff. I can remember genuinely wondering if it was a farm for fluffy little birds or fluffy little fruits and what could've happened to make it trend.

Funny how much has happened since then. I was lukewarm on trans stuff at the time but overall it barely registered to me. I won't PL but I'll say I'm surprised I can only remember definitely interacting with one pre-T pooner in the few years beforehand. Now it's the single most important political issue for me because it is the most undiluted 1984-style doublethink there is. Instantly disqualifying.

I've posted my peaking process here already, but before actually visiting the Farms for the first time and reading about Keffals and Dylan Mulvaney I was just starting to realise there were too many contradictions within the movement for it to succeed and that even the most hostile TERFs weren't being unreasonable. Laurel Hubbard at the Tokyo Olympics. Saw an increasing number of people putting pronouns in bios and realised that I was just never going to engage in that kind of wankery. Side note, the online discourse on tranny shit has been really lively in the UK since Trump won. I've noticed a few pronouns removed from bios of people I don't even follow. A few Owen Jones orbiters threaten to do an Ana Kasparian-style turn but they're not even well known enough for anyone to call it based, they just get pilloried in a purity spiral. Plenty are choosing to go down with the ship.

There was at least one notable petition between 2019-2022 to make misgendering a crime and I just thought... all the people who are supporting this are the ones who usually want the police to have less power. The reaction to the BBC posting an article in 2021 called "We're being pressured into sex by some trans women" was unhinged, when the content of the article was totally uncontroversial. I think that was around the time when I first heard the phrase "transing away the gay" which I thought was an incredibly strong framing, because you quickly admit that there's enough genuine homophobia in society that it must be the reason for some transitions.

I think I saw Kevin Gibes' profile out there in the wild shortly before finding the Farms. TransSalamander. Trans fucking Salamander.

 

[Disability Fat]

A small action, which took me aback, was a close friend correcting someone for using the "wrong pronoun". They've started digging their heels in deeper with pronoun games, now using "they/them".

Slight powerlevel, but I feel isolated to the Farms in regards to discussing how ridiculous gender ideology and related woke koolaide. This only builds on the peak that never ends.

 

[shrimping]

A small action, which took me aback, was a close friend correcting someone for using the "wrong pronoun". They've started digging their heels in deeper with pronoun games, now using "they/them".

This was a big push for me too. Kinda funny how it happened during talks about Chris Chan getting arrested. I of course called him he, but some of my acquaintances were very adamant that it doesn't matter what her crimes are, she is a twans woman and that should be respected!
I also had another conversation about this with my kool-aid drinking friends and I felt insane when they told me you genuinely can never tell someone's gender by the way they look. Like what, you're telling me the middle aged alcohol-bloated mechanic is actually a they/xem?
Not too go too hard into TMI territory, but I had to tell the same people that I do not want to be they/themed, even if it's "respectful", even if I may secretly be non-binary or whatever because I'm not "girly". Just pure

 

[toilet_rainbow]

I've said this before, but look at older threads--especially ones that used to be in the Tumblr subforum. KF was a lot more live-and-let-live about troons even a few years ago.

Some of the change is this a rare safe place to talk freely about transgenderism, and thus drawing people who want to do so. Or people whose previous hangouts were overrun by trans activists. Some of it is the more accepting posters leaving when the anti-trans influx hit. But some of it is previously polite, reasonable transmedical-leaning posters being peaked by the trans actions toward KF specifically.

I wish I could find the post that explained this timeline more thoroughly. But while KF as a whole was always gender critical (likely due to Chris trooning out), most Farmers were more or less live and let live until Keffals and Liz Fong-Jones tried to take the site down to cover up our exposés to their respective behaviors.

It is super weird to see people (including me) less than 5 years ago give more benefit of the doubt that maybe SRS would work for a very small handful of people as an extreme last resort (even in the SRS horrors thread!), or calling someone a transtrender because they were obviously doing it for attention unless “real” trannies. Then the troons got too used to flashing themselves and started going after children because they ran out of women to terrorize that day, and hated being called out on their deviancy so much that they attempted to suppress anyone that rang the alarm bells.

It’s a shame that the Gadsden flag has been misconstrued as a far right symbol, because that flag’s symbolism is a good representation of people as a whole. They told trannies “fine, be freaks as long as you don’t tread on us or our families,” they tread on them anyway, the less handmaiden ones rattled their tails, and the trannies stomped on them anyway. And now the trannies are surprised that the people bit back. “Without any warning,” of course.

When KF was down from the Destiny tape, I looked through the tags on Twitter. Most of the recent posts that weren’t about trying to find Destiny sucking cock were neutral, even positive about the forum. Many saw KF for what it is, an old Internet style gossip board or just autistic gossipers that wanted to be left alone until the trannies tread on them. Many were even eagerly awaiting for the site to come back online because they enjoyed browsing it so much.




It’s amazing what comes out when a space isn’t overrun by trannies trying to control the narrative.

This was a big push for me too. Kinda funny how it happened during talks about Chris Chan getting arrested. I of course called him he, but some of my acquaintances were very adamant that it doesn't matter what her crimes are, she is a twans woman and that should be respected!
I also had another conversation about this with my kool-aid drinking friends and I felt insane when they told me you genuinely can never tell someone's gender by the way they look. Like what, you're telling me the middle aged alcohol-bloated mechanic is actually a they/xem?
Not too go too hard into TMI territory, but I had to tell the same people that I do not want to be they/themed, even if it's "respectful", even if I may secretly be non-binary or whatever because I'm not "girly". Just pure

I noticed a lot more troons decided to start “defending” Chris only after he was arrested for raping his mom. Many of those same troons are also into incest porn when I skim through their profiles. Coincidence?

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

It's maybe something like the Skoptsy.

I'm surprised the right-wing essayists haven't latched on to this fact, given the corollaries of rapid technological change and spiritual loss in today's West and pre-Soviet Russia. The Skoptsy did get suppressed, and I suspect we'll see the same in late America, but it wasn't until twenty years into the USSR that the practice itself was finally eradicated. Very tenacious. Most of them went into petty finance, which is kind of like pre-modern Programming - in that it's not as hard as pure maths or engineering, but is very formulaic.

From what I've seen and experienced, the more sympathetic troons (the non-AGP, non-aggressive ones) are looking for a final out. To change themselves fundamentally and stop being whatever they are; because for one reason or another, whatever they are is insufficient. They try to solve it under their own cognizance, but can't grasp that they simply don't have the mental horsepower to ever solve or even understand their problem. And, because a lot of them are on the spectrum (and we live in the blasted out modern world), no one can really advise them out of it either. I think it use to be acceptable for these people to enter nunneries and monasteries to sort themselves out - but we simply don't have that anymore - so they go on Disability and become shut-ins and permanently online instead.

 

[EllenDrawsRapeOfHerHaters]

I believed people should live and let live. I had the misfortune of meeting troons who wanted to do nothing but talk about their fake boobs to me, a woman. Politely changed the subject, got raged at for being transphobic. Yet they only wanted to talk to women about their boob growth, not each other.

Gee, who could imagine trans people not respecting boundaries?

 

[LimeRikki]

Yet they only wanted to talk to women about their boob growth, not each other

This is 10,000,000% a fetish. They are actively getting off on describing their gynecomastia to women.

 

[Nero Fiddled]

From what I've seen and experienced, the more sympathetic troons (the non-AGP, non-aggressive ones) are looking for a final out. To change themselves fundamentally and stop being whatever they are; because for one reason or another, whatever they are is insufficient.

The problem is that it doesn't matter what they change, they are still themselves and that's the part that will always be with them regardless.

 

[Paper Machete]

To change themselves fundamentally and stop being whatever they are; because for one reason or another, whatever they are is insufficient.

A lot of them are pretty bad narcissists. This is especially evident when detailing their romantic woes in trans widows' experiences. Most narcissists actually do not like themselves genuinely, deep down, so creating a new persona that is mean to be congratulated and shown deference to like the handmaidens that will clap for anything is a very alluring prospect.

The process is the point so there's nothing that will ever be enough. If you've ever had to deal with family members like this or even the troons themselves it's the main reason most people have to cut off contact with severely narcissistic family members. The bullshit won't stop.

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

The problem is that it doesn't matter what they change, they are still themselves and that's the part that will always be with them regardless.

Yes and that's why the suicide rate is astronomical with them. They make the big change and then discover it's not enough. So they either take themselves out or try to make the entire world change instead.

 

[Super Mario Brothers]

I browsed Tumblr a lot in the early to mid 2010's. Then I outgrew it. I sort of stopped paying attention for a bit, and then in the 2020's I was sort of had to witness everything I had seen on Tumblr, except with mainstream media and politicians and corporations and the like, and 100x worse. Having Kamala Harris and the like describing their pronouns. Feels like a drug trip that never ends.

But what really peaked me was the "kink at pride controversy," in early 2021. I actually thought this was some type of right wing psyop. But no, along with a huge newspaper publication, there were people in the lgbt crowd actually defending kinksters performing in public in front of children. I watched a long video essay about a trans furry defending this and how it's not harmful for children before I had to click away. I sort of realized I was in a completely different ballpark, and my opinion has continued to deaden since then.

Also, I thought the John Money and Drag Queen Story Hour things were also right wing psyops for a long time. They seemed too stupid and ridiculous to be true. I didn't actually know anyone defended those either.

 

[Totally not a red flag]

But what really peaked me was the "kink at pride controversy," in early 2021. I actually thought this was some type of right wing psyop. But no, along with a huge newspaper publication, there were people in the lgbt crowd actually defending kinksters performing in public in front of children. I watched a long video essay about a trans furry defending this and how it's not harmful for children before I had to click away. I sort of realized I was in a completely different ballpark, and my opinion has continued to deaden since then.

Also, I thought the John Money and Drag Queen Story Hour things were also right wing psyops for a long time. They seemed too stupid and ridiculous to be true. I didn't actually know anyone defended those either.

I thought it was a right-wing psyop too, a lot of people did. Until the truth is discovered.

And it makes sense because the whole thing is just to insane to be even real, but oh it's real alright. And not only that you have troons that push this idea that it is this grand scheme to paint the poor trannies as the most oppressed victims because otherwise they will have to resort to defending their disgusting community, which they will gladly do but at that point that's when the chances of people peaking rises.

So by making it seem like none of this is happening, they can easily brush it and not worry about having to come up with arguments that most of time just falls and risk people seeing the truth for what it is.

 

[Scritti Politti]

It was a very trivial thing which triggered me.

I was indifferent--even sympathetic--to trans causes for the longest time; this changed in 2021. I was part of some meme group on FB (you'll understand if I demur from naming it). It was Transgender Visibility Day in 2021 (during the peak trans era of the early Biden admin), and a trans in the group posted a meme about allyship in re: cis people's responsibilities. It used the standard demands of allyship:

1. Take on the struggle as your own.
2. Transfer the benefits of your privilege to those who lack it.
3. Amplify voices of the oppressed before your own.
4. Acknowledge that even though you feel pain, the conversation is not about you.
5. Stand up, even when you feel scared.
6. Own your mistakes and de-center yourself.
7. Understand that your education is up to you and no one else.

People were falling over themselves to gobble the knobs of the trans people in the group, but I half-jokingly asked: "what's actually in it for the ally?" I mean, it doesn't leave much room for dignity on the part of the ally, does it?

The concept that someone might not find allyship and all it entails attractive, and might even find it presumptive had never crossed their mind. The transgender members in particular flipped the fuck out. The personal insults towards me flew fast and furious, and I ended up being doxxed.

It removed the blinders. Since then, I've seen that level of entitlement lingering beneath the surface of virtually everything I've read from every trans online, just waiting to emerge when given the opportunity; the entitlement to other's respect and other's resources, all entirely one way.

In short, they presented the choice between ally and enemy., and they essentially made the choice themselves.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

I also had another conversation about this with my kool-aid drinking friends and I felt insane when they told me you genuinely can never tell someone's gender by the way they look. Like what, you're telling me the middle aged alcohol-bloated mechanic is actually a they/xem?

In a way, your friends were right: you can't tell someone's "gender identity" by looking at them, because most people don't have a "gender identity". Gender identity is an internal evaluation of one's own personality, vaguely related to self-perceived sex-role conformity.

But in a different, more accurate way, your friends are idiots. So what if you can't tell someone's gender identity from looking at them? So what if you could? Why is a gender identity something I should know or care about? Society does not need to know about your gender identity. I don't need to know. Thirty billion human lifetimes began and ended without anyone knowing anyone's gender identity.

But of course, in a third, more terrifying way, your friends (and Western society) have already assumed the stasis of the argument has proceeded beyond the existence of gender identity. They believe the relevant variable being discussed is how easily can we eliminate all legal, medical and social understandings of sex and substitute them in with gender identity. They believe simply because people can conceive of something called gender identity, that the substitution of gender identity for sex follows. It does not follow.

 

[and I must scream]

You know, in my more pessimistic moments, I'm afraid we as a society stuck with this idea of "gender identity" from now on. That this is like the idea of subconscious for example, it hadn't existed untill it did and now we assume this is something that is so obviously exist and always has been, people in the past just weren't aware of it or something. You know what I mean? I'm scared that we are stuck with this wretched idea now. That even if "gender affirming care" would stop or significantly reduced and changed, we will still be stuck with "gender identity", people will still keep thinking this way.

Already nowadays many teens and young adults don't understand what I mean when I say that this idea of gender identity didn't exist when I was growing up and in my teens and 20's and we all survived to tell the tale. Or generally when I say I don't have "gender identity", I don't think this way. They genuinely don't understand. "But what do you mean? Gender identity still exists, even if you weren't aware if it? It's still exists, everybody has it. Maybe you are agender then". This scares me. "Gender identity" is such a regressive and destructive idea. I want it to go away, and I don't know if it will.

 

[Paper Machete]

Already nowadays many teens and young adults don't understand what I mean when I say that this idea of gender identity didn't exist when I was growing up and in my teens and 20's and we all survived to tell the tale. Or generally when I say I don't have "gender identity", I don't think this way. They genuinely don't understand. "But what do you mean? Gender identity still exists, even if you weren't aware if it? It's still exists, everybody has it. Maybe you are agender then". This scares me. "Gender identity" is such a regressive and destructive idea. I want it to go away, and I don't know if it will.

Maybe try to talk to them about how made up concepts work and that they can unsubscribe to them.

But I also feel you in a sense. I can't ever remember questioning whether or not I was ever a girl because I would ask for the boy's happy meal at McDonald's because I thought the toys were better or because I played with my male cousins and neighbors as a kid more often than with other girls. It just wasn't a thing. Such things are introduced to people as a concept they must grasp with.

It also genuinely is disconcerting how many people are so malleable these days to weird ideas. That's always been there to a certain extent but I feel like with how most education works and how society is structured it sort of primes anyone not already on the look out for such things to just accept any thing any one tells them.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

You know, in my more pessimistic moments, I'm afraid we as a society stuck with this idea of "gender identity" from now on. That this is like the idea of subconscious for example, it hadn't existed untill it did and now we assume this is something that is so obviously exist and always has been, people in the past just weren't aware of it or something. You know what I mean? I'm scared that we are stuck with this wretched idea now. That even if "gender affirming care" would stop or significantly reduced and changed, we will still be stuck with "gender identity", people will still keep thinking this way.

Already nowadays many teens and young adults don't understand what I mean when I say that this idea of gender identity didn't exist when I was growing up and in my teens and 20's and we all survived to tell the tale. Or generally when I say I don't have "gender identity", I don't think this way. They genuinely don't understand. "But what do you mean? Gender identity still exists, even if you weren't aware if it? It's still exists, everybody has it. Maybe you are agender then". This scares me. "Gender identity" is such a regressive and destructive idea. I want it to go away, and I don't know if it will.

I think there were always people who were mentally ill enough to disassociate with their biological sex. It's only lately that we've been entertaining their willful stupidity. That, and there's a shit ton of other variables that cause more and more people to develop gender identity disorder, like easy access to pornography, the LGBTQ rights movement and other such movements to normalize sexual degeneracy, lack of spirituality and meaning in life, etc.

The only reason why people even entertain such notions like "gender identity" is because we have a mental health crisis on our hands, and our society is spiritually dead.

 

[Syikeblade]

I thought it was a right-wing psyop too, a lot of people did. Until the truth is discovered.

And it makes sense because the whole thing is just to insane to be even real, but oh it's real alright.

I want to ask, why did it seems like a fake story to you?
If there people who want rape kids and animals why is this seen as too far to be real?

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Also, I thought the John Money and Drag Queen Story Hour things were also right wing psyops for a long time. They seemed too stupid and ridiculous to be true. I didn't actually know anyone defended those either.

On one hand, that such an awful person as John Money or Alfred Kinsey could have been the ones to really pioneer the sexual revolution doesn't really surprise people like me, but I'm biased because I was never, ever truly OK with either homosexuality or transgenderism.

On the other, the gay rights movement, and the queer movement as a whole, could only get as far as it had by suppressing inconvenient facts about those who pioneered their ideology, and the tactics they used in order to get there.

If the populace as a whole were familiar with exactly what Money and Kinsey did, if they even skimmed the instruction book After the Ball, if they only remembered that the LGBTQ rights movement was overwhelmingly pro-pedophilia prior to the 90s, the fag rights movement, and all the unholy movements it has spawned in its wake (transgenderism, mainly) would have been dead in the water.

 

[teriyakiburns]

You know, in my more pessimistic moments, I'm afraid we as a society stuck with this idea of "gender identity" from now on.

There are any number of pseudo-scientific fads that have come and gone in the past. This will be another of them.

Consider Phrenology. From the tail of the 18th century to the middle of the 19th, Phrenology was considered a sound and rational scientific theory, with proponents at every level of society and within the governments of many western nations. The middle classes were enamoured with the idea that they could discover the hidden talents and abilities of their favoured children. Highly influential figures advocated for it to be adopted by governments as a solution to a raft of social problems. It had an international organisation with more than 1000 members, many of whom were medical professionals, who created and distributed official guidelines and carried out studies of the efficacy of phrenology for improving lives and saving people from inevitable suicide.

Its rejection in the mid 1840s was abrupt, but could have been predicted by looking at all the evidence against the idea that rapidly accumulated from the 1820s. It's seen as a joke now. Troonery will be no different, in the end. By the 60s, we'll all be laughing about how stupid everyone was to believe it.