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I just got to the part where you get the honor of killing Juju the Cow and Vito The Pedo. The greatest highlight of my playthrough, to be sure.
YIIK: A Post Modern RPG / Ackk Studios / Andrew Allanson - "I wanted to make a game with a protagonist who was very unlikeable" - From Someone who is equally unlikeable. Currently developing Version I.V (1.5)
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There is a weird secret third ending.
That's not the real third ending.
The "real" third ending is that there is no third ending, which in itself is the third ending.
In typical YIIK fashion, the third ending exists to waste your time in order to prove a point. That point being you, the player, are the "Alex" of our reality for trying to look for something that doesn't exist. Its suppose to parallel Alex looking for Sammy during half of the game, but near the end you find out that Sammy doesn't actually exist and the game wasted your time for nothing..
This is one of those "sounds like bullshit" moments, but given the pattern of contempt, bitterness, and hate that YIIK, the devs, and the fans have towards the audience, its very likely to be true given their past actions and behavior.
Honestly, Tehsnakerer was right in his intial interpretation of YIIK being a game that hates you, more so now given how much the devs and fans hate him and RunningShine.
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So what you're saying is that this big update is one big, expensive temper tantrum the devs threw at these two, correct? Why else go the extra mile to spite the players and the people who, in all seriousness, just made their games more popular(if not for the reasons they would want) to this degree? From what I am hearing about this update, it has the same energy as a small child stomping it's feet because it didn't get what it wanted.
Yes, the developers are very spiteful and bitter towards anyone who dislikes their games. RunningShine and Tehsnakerer are the main two they hate, but there are more people who are included in the game, but I need to double-check certain things to make sure.
The devs hated the youtubers and streamers who made the game “popular” since they were critical of the game and hated their interpretations and criticisms.
Seeing people like RunningShine, who tried making suggestions about how to improve the game’s experience like changing the shop UI to be easier to navigate and use, made the developers and fans angry since they think he is some egomaniac demanding changes to fit his personal tastes.
In a previous post, I’ve shared a link to a stream where RunningShine was explaining why he made his YIIK video, its clear he never made the video with malicious intent and that he wishes the best for the developers.
That stream also disproves Hellkrai’s claims against RunningShine and only highlights how much of stupid, insecure piece of shit Hellkrai really is, when isn’t he going around pretending to be a rape victim to intimate people.
Another thing I heard from the developers is that Alex is not allowed to have a good ending and he cannot become a better person. I didn’t understand it when I first heard this, but over time when I discovered that Alex is straw-man based off a former friend and other people who the developers have a personal grudge against, then it became more clear as to why they said what they said.
If you were to write a good ending for Alex, then you are letting the people who the develoeprs hate “win” at life. The update is an extension of its spiteful origins, adding RunningShine, Tehsnakerer, and anyone else critical of the game into it via straw-men and spending the entire update talking down and belittling them.
RunningShine should have never given these guys the benefit of the doubt since they clearly hate him and have wished ill and death upon him and others on more than one occasion.
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Oh, wow. Where'd you see that? That's new lore to me ...and fucking brilliant.
I've said it a million times but YIIK is truly the gift that keeps on giving. At this point the ending really has become the rest of my life.
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This could be very interesting. Do you have a source for anything in this paragraph? I always interpreted Alex as an intended stand in for the players (though he's arguably a better stand in for the Brothers), so it could be intriguing exploring this facet of how they view their playerbase.
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If you could make a good ending for Alex, what would it be and how would it play out?
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Yiik is fascinating in a way that other bad games simply aren't. Bad games are a dime a dozen. Between Chinese Unreal slop served on steam or fugly, diverse AAA scam games, there's a lot of shit out there. But Yiik is so uniqely messy and bad in a way that invites discussion and dissection.
It really is rare to see someone's seething contempt for reviewers and critics seep into a game like this. Reminds me of when M Night had that critic character in Lady in the Water. It's an interesting relationship between art and critic though.
They spend a lot of time talking about how criticism is a bad meme, and creativity is a good meme. But, Yiik wouldn't be in the state it is now without critics. If it had come out and flopped, then it'd still be the same game. Yet because people memed on it and poked fun at it, they improved the game. Even if only out of spite.
Hellkrai is a twat. Runningshine says a gorillion times in his own video that he has a ton of respect for the Allanson bros and thinks they do have talent. He's just kind of a weird dickrider who seems even more bent out of shape about criticism than Andrew Allanson does.
It really is rare to see someone's seething contempt for reviewers and critics seep into a game like this. Reminds me of when M Night had that critic character in Lady in the Water. It's an interesting relationship between art and critic though.
They spend a lot of time talking about how criticism is a bad meme, and creativity is a good meme. But, Yiik wouldn't be in the state it is now without critics. If it had come out and flopped, then it'd still be the same game. Yet because people memed on it and poked fun at it, they improved the game. Even if only out of spite.
Hellkrai is a twat. Runningshine says a gorillion times in his own video that he has a ton of respect for the Allanson bros and thinks they do have talent. He's just kind of a weird dickrider who seems even more bent out of shape about criticism than Andrew Allanson does.
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Well, Benevolent Psychosis kind of has a good ending for Alex, but it essentially boils down to him being forgiven as an accidental side effect of what Michael is doing.
So in a way I kind of see it. That said, I am definitely not sure I buy Andrew's claim he has recently made on the YIIK Discord that the game was always about Satanism all along.
Benevolent Psychosis explicitly points out that this interpretation is wrong. You literally only get into the new content by stating it is wrong.
That means the devs are either liars or don't realize what they wrote.
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Keep in mind the secret thrid ending stuff stretches as far back as 2019 a couple of months after 1.0.
This was probably what they were going for a while and then pivoted to what BP says.
I mean, to them saying that the third ending was some kind of 'social experiment' would be the most capital P Postmodern move to make at the time.
Also LMAO about the Satanism shit. What, was YIIK a weird honeypot to trick Tumblr faggots to become straight?
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The "good ending" already exists within a beta build. There is an unused stage where you play as Essentia, after a while you get to fight the final boss of the game, the one you can actually win against. Once he is defeated, Alex reminisces on the events that lead up to this point, realizes that his previous problems seem miniscule in comparison and decided not to be a little bitch to everyone. Rest of the gang live happily ever after, Alex gets the girl, the end. Is it generic? Yes, but it's better than what we got in 1.0 and probably better than what we are ever going to get if this is true
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IIRC, the Dick Show interview is where Andrew mentions that Alex is a piece of shit who has to transform. After that interview, the fans on twitter then added in the whole “Alex wants transform into better person, but he doesn’t” part to excuse Andrew’s poor communication skills.
Another part to this is the negative reaction the devs and fans had against some of the suggestions people made to try to improve YIIK. Some people like UrickSaladbar wrote their own ending for YIIK, which made the devs and fans upset, so they began to push this narrative that these youtubers only hate the game because it doesn’t pander to their tastes.
Which is funny now, given that the devs went out of their way to pander to Hellkrai by including his suggestions and characters into the game, of which I already mentioned some time ago.
As for the former friend part, its a long and complicated mess so its going to take a bit to explain.
While trying to find any old interviews and articles about Ackk Studios, I found out Ackk Studios had another co-founder who I never heard before.
In the Kickstarter campaign for Two Brothers, I found this cringe-inducing post where the developers were hyping themselves up and I noticed someone named Tyler Steele was mentioned as a co-founder for Ackk Studios.
So I looked up anything regarding him and Ackk Studios, outside of a few interviews and an old tweet from the Ackk Studio’s twitter, Tyler had been wiped from anything related to Two Brothers and Ackk Studios.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220502004948/https://twitter.com/AckkStudios/status/304984846386749440
In some of these interviews, they kept mentioning that Tyler was working on the game but he ending up going on an “epic sidequest” instead. Given the tone from those quotes, its clear the brothers didn't like Tyler.
Eventually, I discovered that Andrew had an old Reddit account, which is weird since the Ackk Studios twitter claimed the brothers never had one.
Andrew had an account under the username luxienai. He used to post about YIIK while pretending to be a fan of his own games, eventually he was caught in the r/JRPG subreddit and promptly deleted his account soon after.
Bit of a side note, I like how people were still shitting on YIIK back then, long before any negative youtube video was ever made about it. I guess those dang dirty
I posted the Chromophore blog post a while ago and I’ll post it again given the additional context.
To add onto the connection that Alex is based on Tyler, look at Alex early designs and compare it to Tyler's picture.
Also here is a small number of tweets the devs and fans regarding Alex his connection to Two Brothers.
Given what I've shown, its clear that Alex is based off Tyler.
From their clothing, personality, and their connections to Two Brothers, you start to understand why the developers fucking hate anyone who tries to give Alex any good ending.
As I said before in my previous posts, nothing in YIIK is subtle.
I hope the answers your questions, though I wouldn't be surprised if I ended up creating more.
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Insanely good post. I predict this will end up in some video titled "The hidden YIIK developer who disappeared", with no sources cited.
How'd you figure that? To me, they read like he was working on a significant sidequest in YIIK at the time, and I'm curious if it made into the final game in any form. Odds are it didn't, since he's not mentioned in the credits. If they explicitly said "Tyler went on an epic sidequest", it would sound like an euphemism for "he's in prison for rape".
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Are you talking about the "partial original ending" section? Apparently the devs said that was supposed to be representative of a "failed ego death"; he's the only Alex who was able to beat Proto Alex, he carries a sword and shield on his back as a homage to Zelda presenting himself as the "Link" of the story, there's grand fantastical music playing, it ends with the Essentia (who is meant to be an alternate Vella) confessing her love for him, etc.
Also did I use ";" right? I figure you use it where you could use both " : " and " , ".
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Quoting myself since it's too late to edit away my shame: I can't read, and Tyler was confirmed (sort of) working on Two Brothers in these articles, not YIIK. He's still mentioned in the reviews as of November 2012, but he was removed from the "About us" section of their website in August of 2013. Even then, he's only mentioned in the little blurb, and doesn't get his own introduction:
Tyler: https://web.archive.org/web/20130807093426/http://ackkstudios.wordpress.com/about-us/
No Tyler: https://web.archive.org/web/20130815071113/http://ackkstudios.wordpress.com:80/about-us
No mention of him in the credits .rtf file that's included with Two Brothers. I was curious to see if there was anything in the ingame credits, but I don't think a single person has managed to record a full playthrough - the game was simply too shitty and broken.
YIIK began development in early 2013, which meant he should have been around at the time.
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I checked this video 11 year old video, but he didn't seem to be in the credits, really shitty and unprofessional behavior on the part of the devs, getting put in a games credits is the difference between getting hired and getting shown the door.
Even if the didn't like the guy they could have given him the barest courtesy, in fact this video came out in December of 2013 so if he was ever in game credits it's sometime before or between the 22nd of February 2013(when the above picture was taken) and December 28th of 2013 when the video was taken.
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I trust you guys not to spoil too much for me, but I'm currently up to the calendar part where you're preparing for new years eve. I've been kinda enjoying the new combat and weirder atmosphere of the game so far, is the ending gonna let me down and be gay like the original?
Edit: nevermind, the ending hasn't significantly changed and it still finishes up by unplugging the final boss's life support like it's some kind of joke. Part way through yiik 2 and the seethe is palpable. Calling criticism a sin and talking about "bad memes" just screams STOP LIKING THINGS THAT MAKE FUN OF MY GAME!
Edit: nevermind, the ending hasn't significantly changed and it still finishes up by unplugging the final boss's life support like it's some kind of joke. Part way through yiik 2 and the seethe is palpable. Calling criticism a sin and talking about "bad memes" just screams STOP LIKING THINGS THAT MAKE FUN OF MY GAME!
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I was referring to what Andrew said in the Dick Show interview when he said that the third ending cannot be data-mined from the game. If the third ending cannot be data-mined, then it doesn’t exist in the game's files at all. It also doesn’t help that the Ackk Studios twitter posted vague statements about the third ending that implies the ending will upset anyone who finds it.
Combined with the fact that most of YIIK's content wastes your time and how much the devs and fans have spent all their time, money, and energy to mislead and start shit with people, its not hard to assume that the third ending is yet another pointless wild goose chase to prove a point.
I don't blame you and the others for assuming the videos being posted were the third ending, with how vague everything is and how often the devs and fans play these stupid word games, its easy to get mislead by them.
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Oh no, you misunderstand what I mean.
I didn't mean the 1.25 third ending that caused all that kerfluffle, I mean that 1.5 added a new one. That happens to make kinda-sorta three (OG + Benevolent Psychosis, KNN, this thing that branches off KNN).
The new thing is now there's a claim there's two more.
I didn't mean the 1.25 third ending that caused all that kerfluffle, I mean that 1.5 added a new one. That happens to make kinda-sorta three (OG + Benevolent Psychosis, KNN, this thing that branches off KNN).
The new thing is now there's a claim there's two more.