GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I have a RX 6600 XT, is it worth getting a 7800 XT for cheap once the new series is out?

Only you can answer that question. But if it gets down to $350 or something, that's what, double the performance and 16 GB VRAM?

The good news is that card should be driven down immediately by the 9070 XT. I see some for around $530 on Newegg and that price will collapse. There is a $330 7800 XT on Amazon but it's a straight up Chinese scam seller.

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[Miller]

Only you can answer that question. But if it gets down to $350 or something, that's what, double the performance and 16 GB VRAM?

Yeah it's also because I wanted more VRAM. I guess I can wait a little bit.

 

[macrodegenerate]

Why do people not doing ML care about VRAM? Is it really that big of a deal while gaming?

 

[4090 Chad]

Why do people not doing ML care about VRAM? Is it really that big of a deal while gaming?

It's important if you want to run high res textures and also needed to utilize features like ray tracing and frame gen. Once you saturate all your VRAM while gaming, your system will have to utilize system memory which is A LOT slower in comparison to dedicated video memory on the GPU. If this happens you will get stuttering and shitty texture pop-in and it just makes the playing experience noticeably worse.

Modern games are becoming more and more memory hungry so 8GB is starting to not cut it, at least for popular demanding AAA titles.

 

[The Ugly One]

Been experimenting with the new frame generation in Lossless Scaling. It looks very good, better than AMD's FMF, but is purely interpolative (I believe DLSS3 and FMF extrapolate the next frame), so there is always a 1 frame lag. Not a big deal at a base 60-80 fps, but I did try it out in MW 2019 at a base 30 fps for curiosity's sake, and the lag made it unplayable. It's fine at 72 fps (I'm also old and have built-in lag already). It's great in Diablo IV.

Once you saturate all your VRAM while gaming, your system will have to utilize system memory which is A LOT slower in comparison to dedicated video memory on the GPU.

It's really the speed of the PCIe bus that chokes you out. But yes, more VRAM prevents this.

 

[milk]

Nope, native res is 21:9 3440x1440.

I see a fellow ultrawide enjoyer, I'm finding it a little cramped with 3 or more windows up, thinking of upgrading to a 5120x1440 res what do you think?

I paid out the ass for the Asus Proart x670e creator wifi and it's legitimately one of the best purchases I've made in this space. It looks nice, goes well with my fractal north case, and it actually performs to the specification I need (ie - it doesn't crap out when I actually have the temerity to use all my USB ports).

The price is steep but tbh how often do you actually build a computer from scratch.

Have you seen the ProArt Case? How can you say no to a wooden computer?

 

[Fcret]

Have you seen the ProArt Case? How can you say no to a wooden computer?

I don't really like the glass side-panel and it's a little bloated looking for my tastes. I got the fractal north with the mesh side panel and it's pretty much perfect.

 

[4090 Chad]

I see a fellow ultrawide enjoyer, I'm finding it a little cramped with 3 or more windows up, thinking of upgrading to a 5120x1440 res what do you think?

I really like my 38” 3840x1600. My friend has the 45” LG ultra gear that’s also really nice .

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Not allowed to show FPS or discuss exact TDPs (he talks about Asus profiles like "silent" and "performance" instead) because it's under embargo.

I think 8-core Strix Halo will show up in some kind of handheld, even if battery life is atrocious.

 

[A_Skellington]

I see a fellow ultrawide enjoyer, I'm finding it a little cramped with 3 or more windows up, thinking of upgrading to a 5120x1440 res what do you think?

Do it. Make sure it's a decent size monitor though, this is 32" and still feels tiny.

 

[Unstable Diffusion]

Pulled the trigger and I decided to just order a whole new computer because 6GB VRAM, 16GB RAM and absolutely no storage left was making me suffer in some games and applications, but funnily enough what started off everything was me wanting to switch to Linux. Made sure that all the software and stuff I use is either native or can be ran with Wine, will have to switch Visual Studio for Rider but apparently Rider is pretty competent and sometimes even better. I guess I'll be checking the linux thread soon.
Paid extra 120€ for the CPU, which was a major improvement over the +450€ that was before, and I'm currently split between getting a 5070 TI or a 5090...
Like, I get it, I've mentioned before that "5090 is too much and retarded" but, 32GB, being able to run anything I want locally, and I won't switch for another +6 years... dunno if I should do it. Until I decide which one to get I'll just use my current 2070.

Only thing I worry about is what the hell to do with the old computer, wouldn't want to throw it away, and the hardware is useful because I absolutely want to keep it around for testing software, both compatibility and performance.
Just matter of time before buyer's regret because this current computer absolutely could've lasted up to three years more. Or maybe it'll be like when I bought a Pixel phone which made me feel liberated due to being able to do whatever I want with it instead of just being a simple hardware upgrade.

 

[Post Reply]

Only thing I worry about is what the hell to do with the old computer, wouldn't want to throw it away, and the hardware is useful because I absolutely want to keep it around for testing software, both compatibility and performance.

Homelab time! Build a NAS or something. I enjoy messing around with TrueNAS Scale.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

Why do people not doing ML care about VRAM? Is it really that big of a deal while gaming?

It's useful for some productivity software, not just games and ML/AI. My dream card would be a ~$350 GT 1030 with 128GB of VRAM (repurposed ddr3 modules fished out of a dumpster to reduce cost). 64bit bus, no need to spend extra bux on some fancy shit I don't really need. I'm joking of course, but still....

 

[Dawdler]

Only thing I worry about is what the hell to do with the old computer, wouldn't want to throw it away, and the hardware is useful because I absolutely want to keep it around for testing software, both compatibility and performance.

Keep it. Only time I could survive with linux is when I had a MS machine on the side.
I have multiple "stupid" boxes just to test stuff.
Unless you are hurting for cash, there's no point to sell.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

It's useful for some productivity software, not just games and ML/AI. My dream card would be a ~$350 GT 1030 with 128GB of VRAM (repurposed ddr3 modules fished out of a dumpster to reduce cost). 64bit bus, no need to spend extra bux on some fancy shit I don't really need. I'm joking of course, but still....

Maybe we'll finally see 8 GB at the dumpster end this year (RX 9040, Arc B380, RTX 5050 lolno).

In theory, Strix Halo could deliver "low" performance (it's somewhere around a 7600 XT), big VRAM to the masses at a "reasonable" price, but only if it can be made to work with CAMM or something. Strix Halo looks intimidating but it's just 1-2x Zen 5 chiplets and the big I/O chiplet which is estimated to be around 307mm^2. That doesn't cost $1,000 to make, although it has to be soldered to a board since it's quad-channel and too big for AM5. If you could add your own CAMM RAM at DDR5 DIMM commodity prices, it could be $300 for 128 GB, and lower over time.

That isn't how it's going to go down, and I don't think it supports socketed RAM at all, but at least your fantasy use cases are in sight now.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

Maybe we'll finally see 8 GB at the dumpster end this year (RX 9040, Arc B380, RTX 5050 lolno).

It probably won't happen but I could see a 9GB RTX 5050 using 3GB modules being a nice entry level card. If they priced it right(lol).
Something like a 9GB 5050 / 12GB 5060 / 15GB 5070(non TI) lineup would make sense if they use the amount of VRAM as one of the 'numbers go up!' metrics for each tier of the cards. 3GB modules could put an end to the memory insanity that started with things like an 8GB 3070Ti and the 12GB basic-bitch 3060.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

It probably won't happen but I could see a 9GB RTX 5050 using 3GB modules as a nice entry level card. If they priced it right(lol).
Something like a 9GB 5050 / 12GB 5060 / 15GB 5070(non TI) lineup would make sense if they use the amount of VRAM as one of the 'numbers go up!' metrics for each tier of the cards. 3GB modules could put an end to the memory insanity that started with things like an 8GB 3070Ti and the 12GB basic-bitch 3060.

3 GB is already going into laptop 5090 (24 GB) whenever that arrives, so it's plausible we see 128-bit 5060 12 GB within a few months.

9 GB cards would be very funny, but look, here we see a laptop 5050 with 8 GB GDDR6:
First laptop featuring unannounced GeForce RTX 5050 GPU with 8GB VRAM spotted

It was known for a while that Nvidia would use GDDR7 for most dies but not the bottom bitch one. There is no 3 GB GDDR6 module. Therefore they would probably do 8 GB for an RTX 5050 desktop if it ever exists.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

There is no 3 GB GDDR6 module.

Ah shit, forgot about that. Maybe it will make more sense with the 6050 and so on or if GDDR7 prices drop and GDDR6 2GB modules goes up in price. Like with the 1050 3GB replacing the 1050 2GB.

 

[Archeops]

Some people are calling the RTX 5070 Laptop GPU a scam since its computing power is clocked at 3-.8 TFLOPS compared to the RTX 4070 Laptop GPU's 29.1 TFLOPS.

I already invested enough scratch into my desktop to not need a new laptop for a good long while but it's worth bringing up.

Pulled the trigger and I decided to just order a whole new computer because 6GB VRAM, 16GB RAM and absolutely no storage left was making me suffer in some games and applications, but funnily enough what started off everything was me wanting to switch to Linux. Made sure that all the software and stuff I use is either native or can be ran with Wine, will have to switch Visual Studio for Rider but apparently Rider is pretty competent and sometimes even better. I guess I'll be checking the linux thread soon.
Paid extra 120€ for the CPU, which was a major improvement over the +450€ that was before, and I'm currently split between getting a 5070 TI or a 5090...
Like, I get it, I've mentioned before that "5090 is too much and retarded" but, 32GB, being able to run anything I want locally, and I won't switch for another +6 years... dunno if I should do it. Until I decide which one to get I'll just use my current 2070.

Only thing I worry about is what the hell to do with the old computer, wouldn't want to throw it away, and the hardware is useful because I absolutely want to keep it around for testing software, both compatibility and performance.
Just matter of time before buyer's regret because this current computer absolutely could've lasted up to three years more. Or maybe it'll be like when I bought a Pixel phone which made me feel liberated due to being able to do whatever I want with it instead of just being a simple hardware upgrade.

Find somebody that'll buy it for parts, thats something I was (and technically still am) considering doing to my old ASUS RTX 3050 laptop.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Some people are calling the RTX 5070 Laptop GPU a scam since its computing power is clocked at 3-.8 TFLOPS compared to the RTX 4070 Laptop GPU's 29.1 TFLOPS.

I already invested enough scratch into my desktop to not need a new laptop for a good long while but it's worth bringing up.

Find somebody that'll buy it for parts, thats something I was (and technically still am) considering doing to my old ASUS RTX 3050 laptop.

Along with still stuck at 8gb of vram, the Nvidia laptop options continue to fall behind desktop.