Live updates: Brush fire burns in Pacific Palisades as Santa Ana winds blast Southern California - Live video at link

Honestly if it does turn out the people who just ate the fines for their water use were the ones with houses that stayed standing, they probably saved more money than they ever would have saved with not getting fined or extra water charges.

A good indicator that whenever possible, to protect your family and property, you should probably ignore as many overreaching regulations as is practical for your position.

If California had needed to deal with the increased demand for water to keep everyone's lawns watered, they'd have had to invest in desalination infrastructure, which can now produce water at only 10-20% additional expense compared to other sources available to southern California. If they'd had that kind of infrastructure, this fire wouldn't have spread like this, and the state would have saved many billions of dollars of rebuilding expenses that they will now incur.

Artificially reducing demand via regulation has consequences that go beyond "everyone lives without and their lawns are a little uglier." They even go beyond equity concerns. All this "live with less" stuff decreases resilience and makes life more tenuous for everyone, rich and poor alike.
 
Theoretically, but if you can't get insurance or the coastal commission won't let you rebuild, the lot value might drop precipitously.
That's the conundrum I'm talking about. CA's gov't has left themselves no good options. They either tell the multi-millionaires to eat shit and those properties are now worth 10% what they were a month ago (in which case it's never rebuilt and becomes Detroit 2.0) or CA officials move heaven and earth to temporarily remove all red tape and bail out the obscenely wealthy in which case they'll be telling everyone else that those regulations were just meant to be obstacles for them, not the rich people.

Gonna be a ton of fun to watch play out.
 
This is something I've been seeing all across the planet.

Governments everywhere have been MASSIVELY fucking SEETHING about generational inheritances, generational mortgages, and generational properties in general. The inflation (they caused, mind you) has made the deal they've gotten on those properties so astronomically poor in hindsight, they've been doing every scummy thing possible to try to undermine it. In other countries they've been passing green laws to bankrupt farmers and seize land, in other places they've just straight up taken land, and it wouldn't surprise me if in a place like America where none of this flies that they simply "let nature take it's course". It's not that they'll intentionally start these fires, it's that they're simply not going to help you when the time comes. The amount of money raw land is worth is starting to really set in for the elite and governments everywhere and it's driving them up a fucking wall.

It's a happy accident that they just can't aid or assist people and you'll have to sell your home and destroyed land for pennies on the dollar and they'll get to make millions off of it.
Which is incredibly shortsighted. Having families that have always lived in a place and always will live in a place is excellent for the long term stability of any society. Having a society of rootless consumers, which seems to be the goal, is great for short term quarterly planning but long term History always wins and things fall apart. And without deep roots nothing will be there to pick up the pieces.
 
Honestly if it does turn out the people who just ate the fines for their water use were the ones with houses that stayed standing, they probably saved more money than they ever would have saved with not getting fined or extra water charges.

A good indicator that whenever possible, to protect your family and property, you should probably ignore as many overreaching regulations as is practical for your position.

If California had needed to deal with the increased demand for water to keep everyone's lawns watered, they'd have had to invest in desalination infrastructure, which can now produce water at only 10-20% additional expense compared to other sources available to southern California. If they'd had that kind of infrastructure, this fire wouldn't have spread like this, and the state would have saved many billions of dollars of rebuilding expenses that they will now incur.

Artificially reducing demand via regulation has consequences that go beyond "everyone lives without and their lawns are a little uglier." They even go beyond equity concerns. All this "live with less" stuff decreases resilience and makes life more tenuous for everyone, rich and poor alike.
Like 150 pages back I linked a story about a guy who saved his home with some brilliant invention. He used a commercial gas powered sump pump. The ones that are on a little wheeled cart. Used it to draft water from his pool which he fed to three folding tripod mounted agricultural sprinklers and 1 1 1/2" hose with nozzle. He kept his property damp enough to not ignite. Used the hose to save his house and his neighbors.
 
China Trolls US Over Los Angeles Fire
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China Trolls US Over Los Angeles Fire
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Beijing released a video titled Wild Fire Nemesis, which shows China's AG600 Kunlong amphibious aircraft putting out fires to the tune of California Dreaming.
I hate China about as much as a human is biologically capable of, but we deserve to be shamed. I just worry that Californians aren’t even capable of feeling normal human shame, they’re too debased.
 
Gavin Newsom's Meet the Press interview
"Do you have the resources to fight the fires night now"
"14,000 people working the line right now, doubled the national guard"
"9 states that are providing resources providing...."
"we have more istisdis we have the winds that have changed"
"what's the mission of the national guard"
"rattle snake teams that are doing the lines, and working with the hand crews"
"Military planes doing retardant"
"600+ just focused on looting"
"firehawks that allow nightvision"
"half a billion gallons"
"new Executive action"
"we have to think 1 week 1 month and 1 year ahead"
"addressing the issue of fraud... price gauging"
"Middle of winter, this is January, not a stone throws away there's snow.... up the mountain" - no shit
"when someone rebuilds people maintain their old assessments (for taxes)"
"California leads the nation in environmental stewardship" - what a moron
"don't turn your back"
"middle class community like this"
"what happened to the water system"
"was it because overwhelm?"
"was it a combination of pipes, electricity, and pumps"
"were 99 mile an hour winds determinative?"
"Does the buck stop with you?"
"You're the governor of California, you might as well be the mayor of California"
"if we're all better off, then we're all better off"



He's so jittery


Unrelated listening:
 
Chinese Tofu architecture is 1000% more flammable than anything built in the last 70 years in the US. I'm shocked the building didn't collapse as soon as the heatwave struck it.


Also, the chinese mocking CA is goddamn hilarious as CA is the chink capital of the west.
 
China Trolls US Over Los Angeles Fire
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Beijing released a video titled Wild Fire Nemesis, which shows China's AG600 Kunlong amphibious aircraft putting out fires to the tune of California Dreaming.
china really doesn't have any leg to stand on here, they have constant natural disasters and are heavily corrupt so their people end up suffering a lot every time, floods, fires, earthquakes, droughts etc.
 
Chinese Tofu architecture is 1000% more flammable than anything built in the last 70 years in the US. I'm shocked the building didn't collapse as soon as the heatwave struck it.


Also, the chinese mocking CA is goddamn hilarious as CA is the chink capital of the west.
I’ve seen videos where some Chinese buildings had like, fucking styrofoam mixed in the concrete.

More common is contractors using saltwater sand in it, so the cement doesn’t set right and the shit just crumbles.

Of course, if you bother to look you’ll see that everything China does is worse, but California looks to China for leadership.

This feels backstabby because Gavin was over in China last year doing a whole press junket for them, fawning over BYD electric cars and swearing oaths that he’d fight to make the US import them
 
Honestly? She was an inevitable consequence of the policies people like AMLO were pushing. Stuff like the gender parity regulations for political parties and the general policy of uniting the left against PAN as they both devour PRI's corpse was the perfect environment for a white jew to come in and weasel her way into power. Sheinbaum is a (passing) white, female New Left counterweight to AMLO's Old Left, southern mestizo roots. It was a way of getting the sort of people who tag up the Angel of Independence with troon slogans to vote MORENA, and it worked. The gender laws are the reason a woman was even picked in the first place, while the political climate was the reason Sheinbaum in particular was chosen. She's not just any random Jewish immigrant, either: both her parents were also leftist "activists", and she was one of the early founders of the PRD's student wing.
You are right. I'm malding she won because how much she fucked up Mexico City before she left, how inescapable her campaign was and that it began way before it was allowed. There's a clip of this very obviously Jewish woman saying she prays to Our Lady of Guadalupe, is so cringe. The woman was getting torched before the election and then she won. I'm not surprised that she won per se, I'm frustrated she did.

What sparked the Palisades fire? A beloved hiking trail may hold the grim answers​

A relatively short hike on the Temescal Ridge trail reveals the skeletal-shaped Skull Rock and dramatic Pacific Ocean views.

Now, this area is the subject of an investigation as a potential starting point for the Palisades fire, which burned thousands of structures last week.



It’s unclear where the fire started, and its cause is under investigation.

Los Angeles, CA - January 10: The Palisades fire spreads through Mandeville Canyon towards Encino on Friday, Jan. 10, 2025 in Los Angeles, CA. (Jason Armond / Los Angeles Times)

Power lines? Old embers? Arson? Investigators, experts, amateurs look for cause of L.A. fires

Jan. 12, 2025
The general area was the site of a small fire on New Year’s Eve that burned for a few hours before fire officials said they snuffed it out with help from a water-dropping helicopter.

Sources with knowledge of the investigation told The Times that officials are aware of the earlier fire and its general proximity to the Palisades fire. They are looking into whether that could be the cause. Because the area is frequented by the public, the sources said it’s possible a new fire was somehow sparked there on Jan 7.

The earlier fire appears to have been sparked by fireworks, officials said.

Los Angeles, CA - January 12: Firefighters returned to the Community United Methodist Church of Pacific Palisades to extinguish some remaining hotspots in the rubble on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2025 in Los Angeles, CA. (Jason Armond / Los Angeles Times)
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‘Particularly dangerous’ weather warning for L.A. fires are in effect, gusts of up to 72 mph reported

As for the Palisades fire, the sources — who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly — said it appears to have human origins, but that the investigation is ongoing.





A large rounded rock on a hiking trail

A relatively short hike on the Temescal Ridge trail reveals the skeletal-shaped Skull Rock.

(Matt Pawlik)
After dropping his kids off at school around 8:15 a.m. on the day the Palisades fire started, Darrin Hurwitz drove to the area to hike.

He did a five-mile loop that took him up above Skull Rock, and surveyed the burn scar from the New Year’s Eve fire.





“Around the same time, I noticed a bit of a smoky smell. I didn’t make much of it. I figured it was either coming from somewhere else or was the remnants of the fire itself,” he told The Times.

He had done another hike recently in Malibu where the Franklin fire had burned a few weeks earlier and noticed a “faint ash smell.” But the smell on that day near Skull Rock was stronger, he said, and he wondered whether the wind had rustled up ash.

Altadena, CA, Wednesday, Jan 8, 2025 - Greg Voorhies douses smoldering vegetation while trying to stop a neighbors house from igniting on Sinaloa Ave. as the Eaton Fire continues to grow. (Robert Gauthier/Los Angeles Times)
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How to help those affected by fires raging across Los Angeles County

Jan. 10, 2025
One of his neighbors also smelled the smoke, he later learned.

“The timing of this was about an hour before the fire,” he said. “Now, what that all means, I don’t know. Could it be possible that there were still some embers that weren’t out and the winds were kind of rustling them up?”

The fire was first reported about an hour later from the address on Piedra Morada Drive where Nic Libonati’s family lives. In an interview with The Times last week, Libonati confirmed that he was the first to call 911 and that he went to alert his neighbors to the fire.


When Libonati and his sister first spied the fire, he said, it was about two miles from their home. But he knew they were in trouble when he tried to hose down their plants and the wind blew the water back into his face. Libonati realized the flames were headed in their direction.

Nick Libonati captured this image of the start of the Paradise fire.

Nick Libonati captured this image of the start of the Paradise fire from the deck of his home on Piedra Morada Drive in Pacific Palisades.

(Nick Libonati)
A specialized team from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began processing the scene Monday.

Los Angeles Police Department Asst. Chief Dominic Choi said no causes have been ruled out in the Palisades fire: “There’s been no definitive determination that it is arson at this point, but we’re looking at every angle.”

Law enforcement sources said there are power poles charred nearby but it’s far from clear that they were the point of origin.

If it turns out the Palisades fire was caused by a rekindling of the earlier fire, it would fit a pattern.

The massive Oakland Hills fire of 1991 — which destroyed more than 2,500 structures — exploded after firefighters thought they had contained it. That fire was originally six acres and was declared contained but not out. Firefighters left equipment at the scene but did not monitor it at all times. Winds picked up and then flames quickly consumed homes.

The devastation of the Palisades fire extends to the trail and rock formations.

The Times listed Skull Rock as a top Southern California hike, describing it this way: “Enjoy heavily shaded switchbacks under oaks and coastal chaparral hillsides as you ascend on the Temescal Ridge trail toward panoramic viewpoints that stretch from Santa Monica to the Channel Islands on a clear day. Skull Rock and its boulder buddies are the midpoint of your geological journey and a great locale for some rock scrambling to a picnic perch.”

Hurwitz hiked the trail near his house at least three times a week.

“That trail is spectacular,” Hurwitz said. “It’s just a little bit of everything. It’s really great scenery. It’s definitely one of the more popular trails in L.A. People drive from all over the city to hike it.”
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California’s Insurance System Faces Crucial Test as Losses Mount
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Christopher Flavelle
2025-01-14 18:12:10GMT

The California FAIR Plan, the state’s insurer of last resort, had just $377 million available last week to pay claims that could reach billions, officials said.
It’s too soon to know how the Los Angeles fires will change life in California, but it may heavily depend on the answer to a single question: Will a once-obscure insurance program run out of money?

That program, the California FAIR Plan, was created by state lawmakers in 1968 to cover people who couldn’t get standard home insurance for various reasons. But as climate change makes wildfires more frequent and intense, causing commercial insurance companies to pull back from the state, the rapidly growing FAIR Plan has become the linchpin holding together California’s increasing fragile insurance market.

Because of the fires that started last week, that linchpin may be about to break, with consequences that would reverberate throughout California’s economy.

As of last Friday, the FAIR Plan had just $377 million available to pay claims, according to the office of Senator Alex Padilla, Democrat of California. It’s not yet known how much in claims the plan will face but the total insured losses from the fires so far has been estimated at as much as $30 billion. Because the fires are still burning, that number could grow.

Unlike regular insurance companies, the FAIR Plan can’t refuse to cover homes just because they’re in vulnerable areas. As a result, as the risk of wildfires grows, homes deemed too dangerous by major insurers have been piling up on the FAIR Plan’s books.

Between 2020 and 2024, the number of homes covered by the plan more than doubled, to almost half a million properties with a value that tripled to about half a trillion dollars.

Homes in the Pacific Palisades have been increasingly covered by the FAIR Plan. Fire in the area has destroyed more than 1,000 homes so far, damaged 5,427, and threatens another 12,250, according to data released Tuesday by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Since the fires started last week, the FAIR Plan has refused to publicly disclose how much money it had on hand. A spokesman, Patrick Dorsey, would say only that the plan “is prepared for disaster.”

Senator Padilla’s staff said the $377 million figure came from the office of California Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara, who regulates the FAIR Plan. Neither the commissioner’s office nor Mr. Dorsey immediately responded to a request to confirm the amount.

If the FAIR Plan doesn’t have enough money to pay all its claims, it can rely on something called reinsurance — effectively, insurance for insurers in case their losses exceed a certain amount.

Mr. Dorsey also declined to provide details about how much reinsurance coverage the FAIR Plan carries. Senator Padilla’s staff said the plan has $5.75 billion in reinsurance available.

If the FAIR Plan can’t make up its losses from reinsurance alone, it can demand money from California’s insurance companies to make up the difference.

But that demand, called an assessment, would set up a new problem, according to Neil Alldredge, president of the National Association of Mutual Insurance Companies, whose members write the majority of home insurance policies by dollar value in California.

The insurers that have stayed in California were already struggling to make money, Mr. Alldredge said. If they also get a bill from the FAIR Plan, some may reconsider their decision to stick around, he said.

“Will some of them evaluate their risk appetite? Absolutely,” Mr. Alldredge said. “None of this is going to make the California market more attractive.”

The prospect of a state-backed insurance plan unable to cover losses has generated concern in Congress. Last year, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island and then chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, said he was worried about financial strain on Florida’s state insurance plan of last resort and flagged the “possible future requests for a federal bailout.”

“Climate-caused uninsurability has the potential to trigger cascading failures that undermine our entire economy,” the senator said.

Last March, the president of the FAIR Plan, Victoria Roach, suggested to lawmakers that it was assuming too much risk. “If we were a regular insurance company, we couldn’t grow at this rate,” Ms. Roach said during a committee hearing. “As those numbers climb, our financial stability comes more in question.”

She also made a comment that seemed to foreshadow the current fires.

“We are one event away from a large assessment,” Ms. Roach testified. “There’s no other way to say it, because we don’t have the money on hand and we have a lot of exposure out there.”

Mr. Dorsey declined to make Ms. Roach or other executives with the plan available for an interview.

There are other reasons to question the plan’s ability to absorb losses from the Los Angeles fires.

The FAIR Plan, like other California insurers, needs approval from the state insurance commissioner to increase premiums. Mr. Dorsey, the FAIR Plan spokesman, said the plan is required to charge rates that are “sufficient to cover losses and expenses.”

However, Ms. Roach told lawmakers during the hearing that in 2021, the FAIR Plan needed to increase rates by about 70 percent. Perhaps anticipating that regulators were unlikely to approve such a big jump, she said the plan formally requested a rate increase of 48.8 percent.

The insurance commissioner allowed the FAIR Plan to increase its premiums by just 15.7 percent, Ms. Roach said.

Michael Soller, a spokesman for the state insurance commissioner, said some of the costs the FAIR Plan cited in seeking higher premiums, including reinsurance, were prohibited under state rules at the time.

Last April, Ms. Roach appeared before an independent state oversight agency, again testifying about the financial challenges facing the FAIR Plan. One former lawmaker, Anthony Cannella, noted that the arrangement seemed less than ideal: Insurers could decide that some homes were too risky to cover — but if the FAIR Plan lost money on those homes, then those same insurers would have to pay for it anyway.

“It just seems like a house of cards,” Mr. Cannella said.

Ms. Roach said nothing to dispute his assertion. Instead, she laughed.
 
Property taxes so low that your local government aids (haha, aids) and abets arson to get them raised

Without insurance, you’re all going to sell your crispy dirt lots at fire sale prices

And how much do those rates help when gas artificially costs a dollar a gallon more than for normal people, speeding tickets are like $500, and dmv wait times are like three hours?

Anyways, it’s the circle of life. Slash and burn government so they can grift a new generation of new, brown h1b Californians
Americans have to go to the motor authority to get their licence renewed. Never ceases amuse me.
 
Artificially reducing demand via regulation has consequences that go beyond "everyone lives without and their lawns are a little uglier." They even go beyond equity concerns. All this "live with less" stuff decreases resilience and makes life more tenuous for everyone, rich and poor alike.
When this happens it's also a sign the area is overdeveloped and overpopulated too. You should never have such water demand you have to import it from other areas or implement water rationing measures for ordinary uses.
 
Honestly if it does turn out the people who just ate the fines for their water use were the ones with houses that stayed standing, they probably saved more money than they ever would have saved with not getting fined or extra water charges.

A good indicator that whenever possible, to protect your family and property, you should probably ignore as many overreaching regulations as is practical for your position.

If California had needed to deal with the increased demand for water to keep everyone's lawns watered, they'd have had to invest in desalination infrastructure, which can now produce water at only 10-20% additional expense compared to other sources available to southern California. If they'd had that kind of infrastructure, this fire wouldn't have spread like this, and the state would have saved many billions of dollars of rebuilding expenses that they will now incur.

Artificially reducing demand via regulation has consequences that go beyond "everyone lives without and their lawns are a little uglier." They even go beyond equity concerns. All this "live with less" stuff decreases resilience and makes life more tenuous for everyone, rich and poor alike.
The problem that should've been number 1 was getting more reservoirs built. LA county had record rain for the last 2 years. This was the first dry year. If they had the reservoirs built (which was a bill that was passed, but construction never started); people could've watered their grass (making them harder to burn) and LAFD would've had water in the hydrants etc.
 
Los Angeles wildfires: California police arrest multiple drone pilots as firefighters battle infernos
FOX News (archive.ph)
By Julia Bonavita and Michael Ruiz
2025-01-13 16:25:29GMT
Police arrested three people following two drone incidents as authorities report numerous encounters with aerial operations, potentially hampering lifesaving measures as wildfires rage throughout Southern California.

As of Monday afternoon, charges had not been released. Two arrests stem from one drone incident, according to Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna.

"If you do not have business in the evacuation areas, do not go there," Luna said in a press conference on Monday. "You are infringing upon the work that our first responders need to attend to."

Cal Fire told Fox News Digital that the department is unable to provide details regarding the incidents, citing a lack of insight into the Federal Aviation Administration’s investigations.

The FAA directed Fox News Digital to local authorities for questions relating to the arrests.

Last week, a civilian drone struck a Super Scooper plane, leaving a "fist-sized hole" in the wing and grounding the potentially life-saving aircraft for a few days.

"We are working with our public and private sector counterparts to try to identify the operator of that drone," said Akil Davis, FBI assistant director in charge of the Los Angeles Field Office. "But since that incident, we have had [more than 10] contacts with drone operators in which we have warned and fined in previous years."

The plane flies at low altitudes to scoop water from the ocean and douse wildfires, and is one of two aircraft on loan from Quebec.

The Super Scooper has been repaired and is expected to return to the air on Tuesday, pending approval from the FAA. Authorities originally expected the aircraft to be back in commission by Monday.

The incident has resulted in authorities warning the public to refrain from flying drones within wildfire areas. Temporary flight restrictions have been placed above the wildfire zones and federal authorities have deployed ground teams to intercept pilots violating FAA restrictions.

"The FAA has not authorized anyone unaffiliated with the Los Angeles firefighting operations to fly drones in the TFRs," the FAA said in a statement to Fox News Digital.

Forty-eight privately owned drones have been detected in wildfire zones, Los Angeles County Deputy Fire Chief Robert Harris said during a briefing on Saturday evening.

The FAA has warned against the dangers of drone activity interfering with first responders. Aircraft battling wildfires often fly at low altitudes, which could result in encounters with drones, such as mid-air collisions or pilot distractions. Additionally, drones could lose connection and fall from the sky, potentially striking firefighters or civilians on the ground.

Flying a drone in a wildfire zone could force first responders to ground aircraft, resulting in delays and threatening the safety of firefighters, civilians, and structures.

"Drones are probably one of our most significant threats right now in law enforcement," Davis said.

Interfering with firefighting operations on public land is a federal crime punishable by up to 12 months in prison. The FAA can impose a civil penalty of up to $75,000 if a drone pilot interferes with wildfire suppression or law enforcement efforts when temporary flight restrictions are in place.

The FAA encourages the public to use their FAA Hotline web form to report any violations of Federal Aviation Regulations.
 
Gavin Newsom's Meet the Press interview
Does he secretly want to be one of those sign language goobers? So much hand motion. Is it a fidget he uses to focus himself while he speaks, or is it a stage magician's trick to distract the audience?
Either way, there's something not right about that man.
 
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