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People don't get that Maul is fucking awesome because of how little we see and know about him. Like Boba Fett, but Boba Fett had more legs as he was just sort of amoral and you could use him as the anti-hero in any sort of space western, plus give the propensity to have the bad guys turn on their hire help its very easy to have the bad guy thwart the heroes due to Boba, and then for that victory to be rendered meaningless as he tries to turn on Boba and gets ventilated.

Maul was just a murder machine. Bringing him back in the clone wars was the dumbest fucking shit even if the character arc was sort of cool, it could have just been a brother/father/uncle/son.
It's telling that the coolest thing Maul has managed to do since his lame fucking resurrection was get instantly smoked when he tries to fuck with Old Ben Kenobi and die.

Really shows just how little potential he has as a character that dying immediately is his coolest moment.
 
It's telling that the coolest thing Maul has managed to do since his lame fucking resurrection was get instantly smoked when he tries to fuck with Old Ben Kenobi and die.
I HATED his death in Rebels, but I loved him throughout Clone Wars. All the Mandalore stuff was a case of Furloni's ignorance of the lore working out since it's way cooler than Mandalore being some primitive space rock.
 
I HATED his death in Rebels, but I loved him throughout Clone Wars. All the Mandalore stuff was a case of Furloni's ignorance of the lore working out since it's way cooler than Mandalore being some primitive space rock.
I don't care for it either way, I'm just saying his Rebels death is the thing that Maul is most well known for outside of TPM itself.
Which is ironic because it's just Obi-Wan performing a doubletap 30 years or so in the making
 
People don't get that Maul is fucking awesome because of how little we see and know about him. Like Boba Fett, but Boba Fett had more legs as he was just sort of amoral and you could use him as the anti-hero in any sort of space western, plus give the propensity to have the bad guys turn on their hire help its very easy to have the bad guy thwart the heroes due to Boba, and then for that victory to be rendered meaningless as he tries to turn on Boba and gets ventilated.

Maul was just a murder machine. Bringing him back in the clone wars was the dumbest fucking shit even if the character arc was sort of cool, it could have just been a brother/father/uncle/son.
Maul was literally just some guy. Lucas designed him to be a generic evil dude because that's all he was intended to be. It's very bizarre that people think he was wasted when his entire purpose was to show that the Sith are back. Filoni bringing him back and turning him into a completely different character is the ultimate proof that he was meant to be a one shot.
 
Maul was literally just some guy. Lucas designed him to be a generic evil dude because that's all he was intended to be. It's very bizarre that people think he was wasted when his entire purpose was to show that the Sith are back. Filoni bringing him back and turning him into a completely different character is the ultimate proof that he was meant to be a one shot.
Yes, but why can't we elevate him into something more than a generic bad guy? And CW Maul is just as cool because how isn't it cool for him to survive from pure anger, get robot legs, and take over Mandalure?
 
how isn't it cool for him to survive from pure anger, get robot legs, and take over Mandalure?
Personally I find it's just all too much. Not only was he cut in half at the waist, he also survived that massive fall? And that's without getting into how he even managed to cobble himself some new legs or how they even worked, because Maul was never a particularly good force user and I don't recall him being a robotics wizz either. Just dumb all around.
 
Yes, but why can't we elevate him into something more than a generic bad guy? And CW Maul is just as cool because how isn't it cool for him to survive from pure anger, get robot legs, and take over Mandalure?
It's about as cool as Palpatine being thrown down a reactor shaft and exploding before somehow returning.
You know, because "dark side lol"
Anakin, who is a far more powerful force user than Maul, comparatively suffered lesser wounds (losing an arm and a leg and being cooked is less immediately lethal than complete bisection and then falling down a massive fucking shaft to his death.)
At least with Anakin you can sorta buy that in his situation, he could use the Darkside to keep himself alive out of hate. Maul should've been dead before he even hit the ground as his organs spilled in freefall out of his torso.
Not to mention that Maul pretty much ends up recovering completely from his death and Anakin needs to wear a cucksuit forever.
 
I shit on Boba Fett coming back out of the Sarlaac for being a cop out to save a cool design, but can believe it a hell of a lot easier than Maul surviving. At least Fett was intact and you could argue his armor helped him survive and claw his way out with armaments. There's a reason you can buy it.

Maul coming back at all was just initial proof that Dave Filoni is a retard who sucks at story telling and who got given his success for no fucking reason as far as I'm concerned. Especially since his arc was done in Phantom; he murders Qui Gon and ensures that Anakin doesn't have a reliable mentor in the form of the forcibly promoted and not ready for it Obi Wan, who just saw his mentor fucking die. He reveals to the very placid and overly comfortable Jedi that things are afoot, and forces them to start to shake out of torpor. He has no reason to come back at all.

His role was then taken by the far more interesting Count Dooku, despite the efforts to babify and dumb him and the CIS down by both George and Dave.
 
I shit on Boba Fett coming back out of the Sarlaac for being a cop out to save a cool design, but can believe it a hell of a lot easier than Maul surviving. At least Fett was intact and you could argue his armor helped him survive and claw his way out with armaments. There's a reason you can buy it.

Maul coming back at all was just initial proof that Dave Filoni is a retard who sucks at story telling and who got given his success for no fucking reason as far as I'm concerned. Especially since his arc was done in Phantom; he murders Qui Gon and ensures that Anakin doesn't have a reliable mentor in the form of the forcibly promoted and not ready for it Obi Wan, who just saw his mentor fucking die. He reveals to the very placid and overly comfortable Jedi that things are afoot, and forces them to start to shake out of torpor. He has no reason to come back at all.

His role was then taken by the far more interesting Count Dooku, despite the efforts to babify and dumb him and the CIS down by both George and Dave.
Honestly, my only issue with Count Dooku is that Dooku isn't alluded to in the first film at all. I genuinely feel like if we saw him as a Jedi on the council in support of his former Padawan, it would've made him a little more impactful in Attack of the Clones. Even if they didn't reveal that Qui-Gon was his Padawan there.
But that's just a minor change. He has a lot more chemistry as a villain with Obi-Wan than Maul does, considering Maul is just an angry red guy.

That being said, if we had to have Maul, it would've been cooler to see Maul and his brother with the retarded name, Savage Oppress (This name is like one step up from just calling a character John McMurderfuck, Filoni) try to fight Dooku and get killed rather than Maul trying to fight Sheev who... doesn't kill him then and there and instead just kills his brother.

Which when you think about it, is really fucking stupid, considering that Maul could and should have just revealed that Palpatine is Sidious to everyone, anonymously if he has to. Even if the Jedi don't believe him or the rumors, they'll be forced to investigate if his claims make sense, and all of Palpatine's plans are sort of fucked.

Nothing about TCW Maul really makes any fucking sense.
 
It's about as cool as Palpatine being thrown down a reactor shaft and exploding before somehow returning.
You know, because "dark side lol"
The issue wasn't so much that he returned, but that he ran off to a backwater planet that somehow had a cloning facility (and he left the instructions to get there on Mustafar somehow), the most advanced Imperial tech ever with a massive army, and Star Destroyers hidden in the planet's crust, all to be defeated by the power of Reylo lulz. Dark Empire does a resurrected Palpatine story much better.
that's without getting into how he even managed to cobble himself some new legs or how they even worked,
The Nightsisters found Maul, and since he was Dathomirian, they thought he could be useful to them. They healed him, but he wanted more power and wasn't content being an underling, so he rebelled.
Which when you think about it, is really fucking stupid, considering that Maul could and should have just revealed that Palpatine is Sidious to everyone, anonymously if he has to.
That would be a very un-Maul-like thing to do. He wouldn't get the satisfaction of taking Sidious down himself.
 
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The issue wasn't so much that he returned, but that he ran off to a backwater planet that somehow had a cloning facility (and he left the instructions to get there on Mustafar somehow), the most advanced Imperial tech ever with a massive army, and Star Destroyers hidden in the planet's crust, all to be defeated by the power of Reylo lulz. Dark Empire does a resurrected Palpatine story much better.

The Nightsisters found Maul, and since he was Dathomirian, they thought he could be useful to them. They healed him, but he wanted more power and wasn't content being an underling, so he rebelled.

That would be a very un-Maul-like thing to do. He wouldn't get the satisfaction of taking Sidious down himself.
No, the issue was that he returned, somehow.
That's the great joke of the sequels everyone points to. Nobody gives a fuck about the other retarded shit. It's just that when somebody blatantly and clearly dies in a way that makes somebody go "Damn, nobody could survive that shit", it's going to be mocked for being retarded just because it flies in the face of what the audience was already shown.
Bringing dead villains back is always lazy and speaks of creative bankruptcy. More than any stupid bullshit like fleet of Death Star Superlaser equipped Star Destroyers ever could. (That's just so stupid it flips around to being funny)

"A very un-Maul-like thing"
Bro, Maul doesn't even have a character in the TPM.
And after getting brutalized by Palpy and getting his brother killed, you'd think he'd try to fuck Palpy over knowing that there was no way he'd ever win in a direct confrontation.
But nah I guess he's just retarded.
 
I shit on Boba Fett coming back out of the Sarlaac for being a cop out to save a cool design, but can believe it a hell of a lot easier than Maul surviving. At least Fett was intact and you could argue his armor helped him survive and claw his way out with armaments. There's a reason you can buy it.
I don't give the general idea of Fett crawling out of the Sarlaac too much askance.
Jabba said digestion would take a thousand years so it obviously doesn't kill you right away. Boba had his armor and his entire arsenal, I'm pretty sure he had a canister of BatShark-Repellant Mandalorian "fuck off Sarlaac" oil in there. Plus a goddamn jetpack. Its completely plausible.

Now, the exact sequences in book of Bob Fatt was helaciously gay because they had a dead, armed storm troooper in there; I could buy Jabba or other crime boss giving an imperial a send off in a Tatoonie Overcoat after blasting them/incapacitating them, but he had his flame weapon on him and would have also been protected by armor - if Boba got out, an armed storm trooper should have.
 
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And that's the point. It's pure arrogance and anger clouding his rationality.
It's not even rationality at that point, it's just lashing out in the one way that Maul would actually have that might do something.
I don't care how arrogant or angry he was, he should know that undermining Palpatine's galactic domination plan might have an effect.
Instead what does he do? Invade the fucking Mandalorians as part of some retarded revenge scheme?
 
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Nothing about TCW Maul really makes any fucking sense.
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Both communicate primarily through rambling soliloquies, both have a self-destructive obsession with another character, both create elaborate but easily foiled plans.
 
Like with all things, Maul coming back was neither good nor bad; it's what you do with it that counts.

Maul was originally NEVER supposed to return. He died falling down the chasm, wondering how the Dark Side could've failed him. Sure, there were some AU comics about him coming back, like him going back to fight Kenobi, or him being preserved as a brain in a jar and menacing Luke Skywalker, but those were else-world stories, not part of the official SWEU canon. Even when they brought him back to fight Vader, they made it clear that it was a clone of Darth Maul, not the original, brought up by some Sith cultists who believed that Vader was too much of a Jedi to be a worthy Sith apprentice. But of course, the main reason such stories kept getting told is because fans wanted more of him and wanted him back.

Initially, TCW's revival of Maul showed some promise. Him going full Game of Thrones with the Death Watch was the height of his story arc, stories like the Son of Dathomir were fun to read. It's just that, once Lucas left, Filoni didn't know what to do with him, so they made him a fuck-up in Season 7 of TCW where he abandons his loyal Mandalorians to go hang out with criminal scum. That makes no sense, since your typical Sith would trade the criminals for the Mauldalorian cultists any day.

Then when Filoni was done playing around with him in Rebels, he killed the guy off in a very nonsensical manner just to jerk off his Samurai boner. Old Ben was many things, but he wasn't that fast to the point where he can out-speed Maul and cut him down like a punk. If that version of Kenobi stepped into the Death Star and fought Vader, the latter's slow-moving cyborg body would ensure that a swordsman who could strike with such a lightning-fast speed would cut him down to size.

What should've been done is either have young Obi-Wan or Darth Sidious kill Maul in the TCW storyline, or Darth Vader kills him at the end of Rebels Season 2; the latter could even give Maul a sort of redemption arc, him holding off Vader just on the hope that the Rebels crew find something in the Sith temple that can help bring about Darth Sidious' downfall.

Or, they should've done what Lucas wanted and keep him around, staying in the shadows, emerging as a threat in the post-Endor era. Shit, they could've brought him up as a new threat in either the Mandoverse or the Sequel Trilogy; as either the head of the "pirate nations", being a third faction emerging in the conflict between the New Republic and Thrawn's Empire, or as the true power behind the First Order. The First Order had a lot of cool upgraded tech that was a step up from what the Empire had, so having a powerful crime syndicate under Maul, who is paying for it, would make the ST more plausible, not to mention making Maul the FO's supreme leader would've at least tickled the nostalgia boners of the fandom enough that it would make more sense than either the revived Palpatine or Snoke.

You could even make it a sort of Clone Wars-style conspiracy where both the FO and the New Republic buy weapons from companies that are secretly run by Maul's criminal empire; where he stokes the flames of war but is careful not to let either side win too much because more bloodshed and chaos means more wealth for him. Then you could make him the face of the evils of the military-industrial complex, as a sort of "Lord of War"-style character. Imagine Yuri Orlov, but with way more power and connections, as well as Sith powers and lightsaber skills. That would make for a worthy antagonist to a SW movie or TV series.
 
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I don't give the general idea of Fett crawling out of the Sarlaac too much askance.
Jabba said digestion would take a thousand years so it obviously doesn't kill you right away. Boba had his armor and his entire arsenal, I'm pretty sure he had a canister of BatShark-Repellant Mandalorian "fuck off Sarlaac" oil in there. Plus a goddamn jetpack. Its completely plausible.

Now, the exact sequences in book of Bob Fatt was helaciously gay because they had a dead, armed storm troooper in there; I could buy Jabba or other crime boss giving an imperial a send off in a Tatoonie Overcoat after blasting them/incapacitating them, but he had his flame weapon on him.
I still see it as a cop-out made by people who give more of a shit about looks than character. Because let's be goddamn honest; if he looked like a Gamorrean, I don't think as many people would be fascinated or desperate to save him. It's more his corinthian helmet and costume, especially when the films first came out and the EU first seriously created.

However yes, his survival is plausible. He's armored up and has munitions that could feasibly allow him to bust free. On top of that, he was at least used in not shitty ways in the books and served as an asset. His survival is a cop-out that is mitigated by the world situation around him making it look plausible. It also was made moreso because writers actually used him to change events and the setting in a way that made him worth reviving. Give or take a few bad ideas.

Maul by comparison not only has to deal with missing key organs for hours, but also the shock and fall caused by the great heights too. So on plausibility it screams bullshit to you the viewer, even if you take force powers into it. It already makes you dismiss the plausibility of his return since he was so fucked up and ruined. At least if you aren't addicted to consooming.

Dave then fucks up his usage, and his plot arc can easily have just been given to his brother. Like it's fucking comical that you can just do that and not much changes. It also limits the chances of said person being able to out Creamy Sheev since he wasn't close to him, making it a more narratively coherent story.

Have said brother ice the Mandos out of spite and to fuck with Obi Wan for vengeance, and boom. Same effect. More plausible. Maul only came back because of looks.
It's not even rationality at that point, it's just lashing out in the one way that Maul would actually have that might do something.
I don't care how arrogant or angry he was, he should know that undermining Palpatine's galactic domination plan might have an effect.
Instead what does he do? Invade the fucking Mandalorians as part of some retarded revenge scheme?
I can confirm; hate can easily be channeled into spite, even if you do want to kill them personally. You'd try to find as many ways to ruin that fucker as possible, and blabbing and forcing investigations on your master is one such method to strike a blow.

If Maul was patient enough to recover and get new legs to run a crime syndicate or whatever, he'd be patient and hate filled enough to try and ruin Sheev with words and subtle actions as he gets ready to murder-fuck him.
 
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