Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Have said brother ice the Mandos out of spite and to fuck with Obi Wan for vengeance, and boom. Same effect. More plausible. Maul only came back because of looks.

Maul came back because of the fans. Same with Boba. Both characters were well-loved by the fanbase, the fanbase wanted them. Lucasfilm, seeing dollar signs in trying to appease the fans, caved in and revived both after they were supposed to have died, because that's just capitalism. You do what your fans want you to do so you can mooch off them. This was before every company embraced DEI/ESG and started calling their fans racist, sexist manbabies, so no shit, they see fans of Boba and Maul wanting their characters to be revived, they'll do it, because it'll make them money.

Especially with Maul, since Lucas was originally planning to make him the big bad of Episodes 7, 8, and 9. Make things fresh and have the Jedi enforce the galactic peace against a criminal syndicate led by Maul. So Lucas had TWO reasons to bring him back, as opposed to just having one reason with Boba Fett, who was revived in the SWEU just to give the Mando fans a chubby.

Hence why Filoni killing Maul off was just showing how incompetent he is as a businessman and a storyteller. So much potential for a future arc, and he ends it with a few swings. Unlike Lucas, who'd see potential in Maul, Filoni has no real love for the character, so the most he did in Rebels is participate in some hijinks and plot points until Filoni ripped off an old AU comic to kill him off. Except the comic did it better, with Kenobi refusing to kill Maul in cold blood due to his Jedi sensibilities, and it was Uncle Owen who puts Maul down like a dog to remove the threat he posed against Luke.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Maul coming back at all was just initial proof that Dave Filoni is a retard who sucks at story telling and who got given his success for no fucking reason as far as I'm concerned. Especially since his arc was done in Phantom; he murders Qui Gon and ensures that Anakin doesn't have a reliable mentor in the form of the forcibly promoted and not ready for it Obi Wan, who just saw his mentor fucking die. He reveals to the very placid and overly comfortable Jedi that things are afoot, and forces them to start to shake out of torpor. He has no reason to come back at all.

Personally I find it's just all too much. Not only was he cut in half at the waist, he also survived that massive fall? And that's without getting into how he even managed to cobble himself some new legs or how they even worked, because Maul was never a particularly good force user and I don't recall him being a robotics wizz either. Just dumb all around.

That's why I say that "Maul" in TCW is a completely different character. The guy was clearly talented in TPM but a robotics expert that made a fully functional spider prosthetic out of trash? A Darth Sion level force user who kept himself alive with pure hate for 10 year? Obi-Wan's near equal in combat even though he got fucked up after he lost his dual saber? This is an OC at this point, and not a very good one.

I really wanted him to fight Anakin and get absolutely destroyed but, AFAIK, they never even saw each other.

@LORD IMPERATOR Hard disagree. Maul was starting to lose steam long before Filoni killed him off. That guy would not be able to carry 3 movies.

 

[Cactuar King]

I really wanted him to fight Anakin and get absolutely destroyed but, AFAIK, they never even saw each other.

From what I hear, he didn't, he just fought and lost to his 16 year old, failed Padawan.

 

[The Ugly One]

Hence why Filoni killing Maul off was just showing how incompetent he is as a businessman and a storyteller.

The fact that Dave Filoni has a career is mystifying to me. He should just be some fat faggot who shows up at your local FLGS for MTG tournaments. That's the only place I've ever seen neckbearded guys with the "three wolf moon" T-shirt and a stupid hat. But somehow, this dork got put in charge of a major part of a billion-dollar IP and was allowed to use it as his personal playground.

 

[GlupShitto]

The fact that Dave Filoni has a career is mystifying to me. He should just be some fat faggot who shows up at your local FLGS for MTG tournaments. That's the only place I've ever seen neckbearded guys with the "three wolf moon" T-shirt and a stupid hat. But somehow, this dork got put in charge of a major part of a billion-dollar IP and was allowed to use it as his personal playground.

Honestly I think that had Lucas not picked him for TCW, he probably wouldn't have ended up being a huge name in animation. He'd likely just be a guy who does grunt work and maybe gets to do a wolf cartoon that gets cancelled after a season because its entire audience would be horny twelve year old autistic girls who don't buy toys and write novel length fanfictions. But because Lucas liked him, we're stuck with him forever, just like with Kathleen Kennedy, Pablo Hidalgo, Leeland Chee, Doug Chiang (the OG DEI hire), etc. So as with a lot of problems with this franchise, it all boils down to George Lucas being a fucking retard.

Anyway, late Skeleton Crew review. It was shockingly good. I don't want to like this show, but I've honestly really enjoyed these final two episodes. The action was good enough that it almost makes up for the niglet mutt and his nigger father and the lesbian parents who mutilated their own daughter. Jude Law played one hell of a villain and Neel was actually a capable and competent character for once, so maybe the Spider-Man faggot doesn't hate white people as much as the rest of the directors (I still stand by him representing white people and not the fat retard trope). And not to sound like too much of a consoomer faggot, but B-Wings are my favorite OT Starfighter, so seeing them in live action for the first time since ROTJ was cool as hell (I don't even mind the very obvious Dave Filoni wanting to make it about him moment when they did the Rebels laser beam thing since that's pretty cool and makes it so the PT beam lasers don't just stop existing for no reason). That all being said, I fucking hate the mutt and I hope he gets shot in front of his coal burner mother so she watches the life drain from his eyes.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The fact that Dave Filoni has a career is mystifying to me. He should just be some fat faggot who shows up at your local FLGS for MTG tournaments. That's the only place I've ever seen neckbearded guys with the "three wolf moon" T-shirt and a stupid hat. But somehow, this dork got put in charge of a major part of a billion-dollar IP and was allowed to use it as his personal playground.

Because he had a reputation with how he worked on Avatar: The Last Airbender, and it saw some success.

Lucas brought him in to write kids' cartoons, and in that regard, he sufficed, but making him the big guy for the IP was never the goal; back in the day, TCW was just one of many projects, along with Force Unleashed and SWTOR. There were other writers who were making SW stories; Filoni was not the head honcho, nor was he the best writer in the bunch. Haden Blackman was better than him, and half the time that dude is just throwing shit at the wall to see what works.

Honestly I think that had Lucas not picked him for TCW, he probably wouldn't have ended up being a huge name in animation. He'd likely just be a guy who does grunt work and maybe gets to do a wolf cartoon that gets cancelled after a season because its entire audience would be horny twelve year old autistic girls who don't buy toys and write novel length fanfictions. But because Lucas liked him, we're stuck with him forever, just like with Kathleen Kennedy, Pablo Hidalgo, Leeland Chee, Doug Chiang (the OG DEI hire), etc. So as with a lot of problems with this franchise, it all boils down to George Lucas being a fucking retard.

Hard disagree. Filoni was just there to write kids' cartoons, nothing more. When Lucas was still in charge, TCW was just a side project; it was somewhat unpopular among the fans for overriding some parts of the canon, and more fans liked things like Force Unleashed, SWTOR, and other novels and comics.

Not to mention that the only reason Filoni got the top job gig was because the Sequel Trilogy bombed and the generation that grew up with TCW really loved it and wanted him in charge. So, seeing the popularity for Filoni's works among the new generation, Disney thought he could work some magic, especially since some fans said he "fixed the Prequels" (LOL). They wanted him to "fix" the ST the same way he "fixed" the PT.

Originally, the only thing Disney gave Filoni was Rebels, which was once again, another kids' cartoon, while JJ and Rian Johnson got the big deal of doing the movies. Lucas never made him a bigshot, and if the Sequels actually succeeded, neither would Disney.

@LORD IMPERATOR Hard disagree. Maul was starting to lose steam long before Filoni killed him off. That guy would not be able to carry 3 movies.

If he was given to the right author, Maul could've been a decent villain. He was losing steam because he was in Rebels, and in Rebels, they didn't know what the fuck to do with him other than take his Darksaber and get him killed like a punk.

But once again, he was only brought back due to fan demand. He was meant to die in TPM.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Even as an incompetent plagiarist, Filoni somehow isn't the worst in Disney Wars. He's right in the middle.

 

[Ghostse]

Even as an incompetent plagiarist, Filoni somehow isn't the worst in Disney Wars. He's right in the middle.

As lamented earlier, its because the whole industry has gone in the shitter. Furlonely and his wolf-fucking should be bottom tier garbage but by comparison he's floating near the top.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Even as an incompetent plagiarist, Filoni somehow isn't the worst in Disney Wars. He's right in the middle.

Like I said, he rose in prominence after Disney Wars started failing. In the land of the incompetent, the mediocre man is king.

As lamented earlier, its because the whole industry has gone in the shitter. Furlonely and his wolf-fucking should be bottom tier garbage but by comparison he's floating near the top.

And he was once; back during the Lucas days, the only thing he was allowed to touch was kids' cartoons. Same during the early Disney days where the only thing of note he had was Rebels while others had the books and the movies. He only became king of Disney Star Wars after the ST bombed and the TCW fans started rising in prominence among the fandom.

 

[ZMOT]

My experience was the complete opposite. Where I spent my time online in '99 (IRC, chat rooms, various forums, and my five digit ICQ) everyone hated the prequels.

and that's the difference, that's not what normalfags and "casual fans" did.
imo what also affected the PT was the absolute overexaggerated hype in certain circles expecting OT times 5 or so, and once that didn't happened most people reacted as goerge came into their home and shat in their breakfast muesli.

Maul was just a murder machine. Bringing him back in the clone wars was the dumbest fucking shit even if the character arc was sort of cool, it could have just been a brother/father/uncle/son.

the smart play would've been a prequel, people clearly wanted more maul to fuck shit up, but not in this retarded retconned way.

 

[Ghostse]

the smart play would've been a prequel, people clearly wanted more maul to fuck shit up, but not in this retarded retconned way.

The issue with a "Rise of Maul" or similar was the again the same issue with Boba Fett, only magnified:
Maul was awesome as fuck because we knew nothing about him, and he said nothing also because he had a dual-bladed lightsaber. In TYOL 2024 this is old hat, we have retarded crossguards and saber-helicopters and dualweilding sabers held backwards like a dildo, but in 1999 I cannot properly convey to you how incredibly fucking awesome this was AND how utterly Kino the reveal was - for all his inability to write dialogue, and put a 7 year old in a movie about tax negotiations, he nailed that shit. The theater went fucking wild.
He needs a "mouth" to work with/for, or he loses part of his mystique, and the problem with that is there's just limited space in the Pre-Episode I timeframe for him to do shit that actually matters or would possibly show off his character.

This is different from either of the Fetts where as effectively just mundane humans you can give them lots of ways to show off their wit, ingenuity, and cool fucking gadgets; like zero-morals space batman. Maul you pretty much HAVE to write as a villain because everything before and after him going full sith is boring as fuck.

 

[Rick The Stick]

I really wanted him to fight Anakin and get absolutely destroyed but, AFAIK, they never even saw each other.

Closest thing we ever got was, I think, a young Anakin bodying a training droid imitation of Maul in the comics. And then Starkiller did the same thing in the first(?) FORCE Unleashed game.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Happy birthday to Genndy Tartakovsky, who is the mastermind behind the superior Clone Wars series.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Happy birthday to Genndy Tartakovsky, who is the mastermind behind the superior Clone Wars series.
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They should've put him in charge of TCW and had him work with Yoshiyuki "Kill 'Em All!" Tomino to create the perfect space war cartoon.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Maul was just a murder machine. Bringing him back in the clone wars was the dumbest fucking shit even if the character arc was sort of cool, it could have just been a brother/father/uncle/son.

Like most of Filoni’s hack writing, I fucking hated how he turned Maul into a silent, brooding killing machine to a whiny manchild. Bringing him back was retarded.

They should've put him in charge of TCW and had him work with Yoshiyuki "Kill 'Em All!" Tomino to create the perfect space war cartoon.

Wasn’t he offered the head writer position for TCW?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Like most of Filoni’s hack writing, I fucking hated how he turned Maul into a silent, brooding killing machine to a whiny manchild. Bringing him back was retarded.

Well, again, this was back then when Lucasfilm actually listened to the fans. They wanted Boba Fett and Darth Maul back, they got it. It's not like today where the fans keep asking for the ST to be retconned, yet Disney keeps saying "no", even though it's the most profitable move possible since you can start a new TV show based on Luke's adventures with Mando and Ahsoka that you can do whatever you want with, since it won't have to lead to the Sequels.

Wasn’t he offered the head writer position for TCW?

I can't say for certain.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Well, again, this was back then when Lucasfilm actually listened to the fans. They wanted Boba Fett and Darth Maul back, they got it. It's not like today where the fans keep asking for the ST to be retconned, yet Disney keeps saying "no", even though it's the most profitable move possible since you can start a new TV show based on Luke's adventures with Mando and Ahsoka that you can do whatever you want with, since it won't have to lead to the Sequels.

Pretty soon we’ll get a completely unnecessary animated show about Anakin and Obi-Wan’s adventures between TPM and AOTC that won’t come close to the fun the Jedi Quest books had.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Pretty soon we’ll get a completely unnecessary animated show about Anakin and Obi-Wan’s adventures between TPM and AOTC that won’t come close to the fun the Jedi Quest books had.

Well, if Disney's desperate enough, they might just do that. Given how badly people reacted to Skeleton Crew and Acolyte, they'll probably have to go back and rub the nostalgia boners of the TCW fanbase.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Well, if Disney's desperate enough, they might just do that. Given how badly people reacted to Skeleton Crew and Acolyte, they'll probably have to go back and rub the nostalgia boners of the TCW fanbase.

And they’ll do it with that ugly ass animation style they’ve been using since 2008.

Seriously, the animation, regardless how much it pays homage to Thunderbirds, look like shit back in 2008. I remember watching the TCW pilot film in theaters and couldn’t believe how ugly it was back then. That along with getting frustrated with Force Unleashed’s gameplay and controls made me fall out of Star Wars for a while.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

And they’ll do it with that ugly ass animation style they’ve been using since 2008.

Seriously, the animation, regardless how much it pays homage to Thunderbirds, look like shit back in 2008. I remember watching the TCW pilot film in theaters and couldn’t believe how ugly it was back then. That along with getting frustrated with Force Unleashed’s gameplay and controls made me fall out of Star Wars for a while.

Force Unleashed looked way better than TCW ever did. Hell, they even had mechanics to determine how different things bend or break when interacted with the Force. Steel bends differently than wood or plants, etc..

For all its problems, at least Force Unleashed tried to innovate.

The problem with the TCW fans and Filoniverse fans in general is that they take an increasingly simplified view of Star Wars. The Empire lost because they were bumbling morons, the Clones Dindu Nuffin, the Jedi are all hypocrites for letting Ahsoka get tried, it all adds up to making the main heroes of the OT look like dorks for having such a hard time fighting a bunch of retarded plastic buffoons. Even their best man Thrawn was duped by Space Aladdin using hentai to defeat him.

Meanwhile, in the original SWEU, the Empire was so strong that other rebel factions like Garm Bel Iblis' troop didn't join the Alliance proper because they kept hearing about the Empire kicking the Rebels in the nads so much. The Clones killed the Jedi on purpose, because Jango trained them to be loyal to the government above everything. The OT heroes struggled against the Empire because the Empire was a genuine threat. And someone like Ahsoka is not the center of the fucking galaxy. Someone like Thrawn had plans that actually make sense and actually succeed, to the point where despite the fact that he died, he did enough damage to the New Republic, to the point where the Empire had retaken Coruscant in the time skip between the Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire.