GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

They won't be. If AMD was able to price the 9070 XT competitively against Nvidia, it would already be for sale. Retailers already have the cards and yet we're waiting for March for some reason. If I had to guess, AMD is hoping RTX 5000 series cards will have supply problems and be sufficiently scalped so $700 actually seems reasonable for a 9070 XT.

It's RDNA3 all over again just without a flagship card.

We've seen benchmarks that put the 9070 XT around a 4080 or 7900 XTX (not always). The die size is not very large. I think they can easily undercut the 5070 non-Ti, outperform it, and still profit. But we also heard that it's in the hands of retailers, unsellable for months now, and that they did not expect Nvidia to set MSRPs as low as they did.

The launch could go great. Late March/early April, lots of supply, decent pricing, FSR4 and drivers working because of the extra time. Or they could screw up any or all of these aspects. We'll see. I would be surprised if they set the MSRP over $600, if they want this thing to be the new 7800 XT.

Why is the market so afraid of the chinese AI? Isn't it built using NVDA chips?

https://archive.ph/j9v5q

They use less of them, and they might be able to use less powerful domestic AI accelerators. I think OpenAI has to worry about it more than Nvidia in the short term.

in that case is a $75 3060 plausible if it was one that was pulled from an AI or crypto datacenter that was decommissioned? There seems to be a lot of them on Aliexpress tho the one i got won't arrive until maybe friday.

You could be screwed, or you could get a real 3060 or something at least worth the $75. Even something scammy like an RTX 3060 Laptop 6GB is probably worth that money. I would look into the utilities you'll need to use to identify wtf the card is when you try to use it, and make sure you won't have any driver problems.

 

[The Ugly One]

Apparently a shitload of buyers for corps admit they basically brought Nvidia for nothing, and treating 6 figure data center purchases like they're gambling losses.

I have actually seen in writing, "companies have made big investments in AI, now they need to figure out how to monetize it." That's what bubbles look like.

ChatGPT made everyone shit their pants and make pure FOMO investments.

 

[LegoTugboat]

Yeah, Apple Intelligence, for example. It's.. average to say the least. Incorrect news summaries, Siri's search being useless, etc.

If you believe the rumours, they've promoted an exec internally to straighten things out.

 

[jeff7989]

It's apparently very very good. Like the cost to use is 5% of western AI and as I've stated before it has a much better grasp on stuff like numbers or guardrails. If you ask it number of genders it gives you the correct Kiwifarms answer instead of acting like a faggot like most AI does

I don't know, I asked DeepSeek R1 32B if gay people are more likely to molest children and it started to babble about it being just a harmful stereotype.

 

[Fcret]

I have actually seen in writing, "companies have made big investments in AI, now they need to figure out how to monetize it." That's what bubbles look like.

ChatGPT made everyone shit their pants and make pure FOMO investments.

Yeah I don't think DeepSeek is really the cause so much as just a confounding element. Big corpo investments into AI at the moment seem like a case of this:

 

[The Ugly One]

Yeah, Apple Intelligence, for example. It's.. average to say the least. Incorrect news summaries, Siri's search being useless, etc.

If you believe the rumours, they've promoted an exec internally to straighten things out.

AI-"enhanced" search is a great example. There wasn't anything wrong with search before! AI's just made search slower, less accurate, and more cluttered. But these companies spent bazillions of dollars on GPUs because they were terrified of getting beat if they didn't, and now they need to somehow make those GPUs work for something.

 

[4090 Chad]

AI-"enhanced" search is a great example. There wasn't anything wrong with search before! AI's just made search slower, less accurate, and more cluttered. But these companies spent bazillions of dollars on GPUs because they were terrified of getting beat if they didn't, and now they need to somehow make those GPUs work for something.

It kind of depends. AI is really good at reading shit for you and parsing out the shit that you actually want to know instead of reading some tard's rambling, attempts at cringe humor, and other assorted irrelevant information.

 

[geckogoy]

AI is really good at reading shit for you and parsing out the shit that you actually want to know instead of reading some tard's rambling, attempts at cringe humor, and other assorted irrelevant information.

AI in question proceeds to delete the entire forum

 

[WULULULULU]

AMD initially planned to price the 9070XT and 9070-non XT for $899 to $749 respectively, according to a Bulgarian retailer with Powercolor stock.

For fucks sake AMD. This year is a seriously shit year for hardware in general.

 

[Betonhaus]

You could be screwed, or you could get a real 3060 or something at least worth the $75. Even something scammy like an RTX 3060 Laptop 6GB is probably worth that money. I would look into the utilities you'll need to use to identify wtf the card is when you try to use it, and make sure you won't have any driver problems

It feels plausible. If I recall correctly the 3060 was a very heavily produced card that was also very hard to find as it's large memory made it very popular for crypto miners, so Shanghai probably has entire server farms of them. It's also a bit older now and crypto needs the latest GPUs so there's probably a whole fleet of them being replaced. Or maybe that's just the theory scammers use to make a $75 card plausible.

I'm still going to pick up a $10 PC to test it under Windows before putting it in my server.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

AMD initially planned to price the 9070XT and 9070-non XT for $899 to $749 respectively, according to a Bulgarian retailer with Powercolor stock.

For fucks sake AMD. This year is a seriously shit year for hardware in general.

I read this earlier and don't believe it. Those are probably Bulgarian VATted prices or something.

woah woah woah are we sure $ as in $USD? None of the sources were even close to that number, most said 600-700 range, somethings off here.
Actually I know its just bait, amd aib sells the 7900xtx for less than what this would be msrp, aswell as the 7900xt at 650$ which would obliterate the 9070 non xt.

Even if you believe that news, there have been leaks like this one ($529 after removing VAT), and that AMD adjusted pricing after seeing Nvidia's.

One thing is for sure, they've abandoned laptop dGPUs to Nvidia, with the exception of the top Strix Halo iGPU which can outperform RTX 4070 (mobile) and probably the 5060:

AMD confirms Radeon RX 9000 “RDNA4” strategy focuses on desktops

 

[WULULULULU]

I read this earlier and don't believe it. Those are probably Bulgarian VATted prices or something.

Even if you believe that news, there have been leaks like this one ($529 after removing VAT), and that AMD adjusted pricing after seeing Nvidia's.

I really hope thats the case, because AMD will suffer 3 months of rumors and assumptions, assuming Blackwell's reputation gets really down bad later.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I really hope thats the case, because AMD will suffer 3 months of rumors and assumptions, assuming Blackwell's reputation gets really down bad later.

They could pull off getting drivers and FSR4 ready in the extra time, have more stock ready on top of the stock rotting on store shelves, and have a good look at how the market is reacting to GeForce 50 series. Particularly the 5070 Ti and 5070 since it actually competes with those. See edit above for mobile they've abandoned.

 

[Post Reply]

They could pull off getting drivers and FSR4 ready in the extra time, have more stock ready on top of the stock rotting on store shelves, and have a good look at how the market is reacting to GeForce 50 series. Particularly the 5070 Ti and 5070 since it actually competes with those. See edit above for mobile they've abandoned.

They could. But in reality they are scientifically devising the most underwhelming launch ever conceived.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

MaxSun preparing GeForce RTX 5060 Ti with 16GB and 8GB memory
Maxsun RTX 5060 Ti EEC filings show 8GB, 16GB models — 2016 wants its VRAM capacity back

I thought they wouldn't bother with an 8 GB 5060 Ti this time around.

 

[iScream into the void]

Hey does anyone know what caused nVidia SLI and AMD crossfire to die off? I think it was something to do with cards individually being more powerful on their own than in parallel, but I couldn't for the life of me remember the reasons for it.

 

[Fcret]

Hey does anyone know what caused nVidia SLI and AMD crossfire to die off? I think it was something to do with cards individually being more powerful on their own than in parallel, but I couldn't for the life of me remember the reasons for it.

It was inconvenient, expensive, and you were basically getting slightly higher frame rates in exchange for significantly increased latency and far worse 1% lows, making games feel jerky and laggy.

Most studios didn't want to bother with it since so few people had SLI-capable setups and even enthusiasts were not really interested because of the aforementioned frame pacing problems.

 

[barrow greeter]

MLID thinks AMD is waiting to price/release RDNA 4 until after the first wave of Blackwell reviews are out there, to help first contextualize Nvidia's generation performance uplift claims at CES which relied on frame generation without making that fact super obvious to Joe Normie GPU consumer. - and also to make sure FSR 4 is as competitive as it possibly can be.

 

[BaldCharles]

Can someone recommend me a good gpu in the 150-200€ price range? It will be just for 1080p gaming so nothing too demanding. I'm willing to buy used too, like I seem to find quite a lot of used rx 6600 (xt) and rtx 3050 for that price.

 

[geckogoy]

Can someone recommend me a good gpu in the 150-200€ price range? It will be just for 1080p gaming so nothing too demanding. I'm willing to buy used too, like I seem to find quite a lot of used rx 6600 (xt) and rtx 3050 for that price.

A friend got a 3050 for 1080p and wound up moving on from it, its fairly limiting if you want to play anything newer even at low settings. Note that its in the ballpark of a 1070 performance wise.

Although not in your price range I would suggest at least trying to get a 3060 if not a 3060 ti. I cannot make specific AMD recommendations.