The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[analrapist]

I was dealing with Windows trouble on a relative's computer recently. It's funny. The people who mock Linux for being dependent on a command-line are totally out of touch with how Windows troubleshooting looks now.

"Oh? Run sfc /scannow."

"Oh? That didn't work? Run fgsfds, only this time not in Command Prompt, open Powershell."

"Oh? That didn't work? Are you sure you ran those with Administrator privilege?"

Windows didn't just copy the "use the command line to fix your computer" meme, Windows now has TWO SEPARATE COMMAND LINES that tech support tells you to use. (And neither of them worked, because Windows errors are not actually telling you what's wrong, Windows errors are about upselling you on first-party support.)

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

my android tablet has 64gb of space, 23gb is taken up by "the os" (i.e Android and whatever preloaded app came with the damn thing that you don't want and can't uninstall.)
thats bloat, shit you don't want, that you can't remove, taking up space. every main stream device I've dealt with has bloat. (removable or not)
it does slow shit down, if you're trying to get work done, having to wait 15 seconds each time you open a new program adds up. even your argument for getting more storage is laughably stupid.
if bloat didn't exist, you'd be able to store more of what YOU want and not have to pay an extra $50 for more storage that should've been accessible to in the first place.
every person I've every talked to about this, hates bloat. every one. i don't care if i get top hatted, go stick a large wooden spike up your arse and die on it.

Android is absolutely atrocious when it comes to bloat.
Samsung in particular seems to have duplicated nearly every single one of Google's applications, including the Clock app, and bundles both of each one. How on earth did anybody think this wasn't utterly retarded?

 

[Susanna]

I was dealing with Windows trouble on a relative's computer recently. It's funny. The people who mock Linux for being dependent on a command-line are totally out of touch with how Windows troubleshooting looks now.

"Oh? Run sfc /scannow."

"Oh? That didn't work? Run fgsfds, only this time not in Command Prompt, open Powershell."

"Oh? That didn't work? Are you sure you ran those with Administrator privilege?"

Windows didn't just copy the "use the command line to fix your computer" meme, Windows now has TWO SEPARATE COMMAND LINES that tech support tells you to use. (And neither of them worked, because Windows errors are not actually telling you what's wrong, Windows errors are about upselling you on first-party support.)

Since when does Microsoft do first-party support for consumers?

 

[analrapist]

Since when does Microsoft do first-party support for consumers?

My intent was the corporate context. I expect Microsoft stays out of the consumer front-line support because it's not lucrative enough. Practically, this means that Microsoft is driving these support requests to unaffiliated companies. I should have elided the "first-party" bit, really. But I was thinking more from my old corporate positioning.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Practically, this means that Microsoft is driving these support requests to unaffiliated companies.

Right, pretty much everything in Microsoft's corporate sales and "support" model is about farming it out to Microsoft Certified Gold Silver Platinum Cloud CSP Jai Shree Ram MCSD MCP MCSE Providers - who, of course, pay MS for the privilege of being named as such.

Since when does Microsoft do first-party support for consumers?

I actually called first-party consumer support one time while trying to migrate a Win3.1 system to Win95. Actually got someone good on the line too, astonishingly.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Android is absolutely atrocious when it comes to bloat.
Samsung in particular seems to have duplicated nearly every single one of Google's applications, including the Clock app, and bundles both of each one. How on earth did anybody think this wasn't utterly retarded?

There are a lot of things is really don't like about android. All the glownigger Google stuff aside. I had that I can just get to where all my stuff is actually store through a terminal, or the file managers they use. After using Linux I find myself wanting to be able to check on things. But they're all locked away in some other part of the file system that is inaccessible. You can't uninstall it, you can't really modify it. It's just there.

It's the reason I don't like the idea of the immutable distros that have started coming out. As long as they don't get pushed to the point where that is the default for Linux obviously that's fine. I just really hate the idea of Linux becoming android, and that's what the immutable distros make me think of.

 

[analrapist]

https://mort.coffee/home/wayland-input-latency/

Wayland, on average, has roughly 6.5ms more cursor latency than X11 on my system. I don't have the statistics expertise necessary to properly analyze whether this difference is statistically significant or not, but to my untrained eye, it looks like there's a clear and consistent difference.

Wayland niggers BTFO. X master race resplendent!

 

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https://mort.coffee/home/wayland-input-latency/

Wayland niggers BTFO. X master race resplendent!

There's a deep irony that this problem, of mouse cursors basically not working properly, mainly shows up when running monitors at weird refresh rates (anything a Sony G520 can't display at)- a practice which for Wayland shills was supposedly justification for ditching decades of X perfection just so you can run different monitors at different randomly selected refresh rates.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Wayland niggers BTFO. X master race resplendent!

What about Xwayland under Wayland?

 

[WULULULULU]

Question for anyone using Mint 22: I'm curious if there is any program that allows moving desktop backgrounds (akin to Wallpaper Engine since that piece of shit doesn't work with Proton) available for Linux. Apparently, the one that is reliable requires KDE and thus, a new OS. Any ideas?

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

Apparently, the one that is reliable requires KDE and thus, a new OS. Any ideas?

When I was using Mint. I replaced cinnamon with KDE. I had no issues but if you choose to do it, proceed with caution (as shit might go tits up and it’s not supported).

 

[Betonhaus]

When I was using Mint. I replaced cinnamon with KDE. I had no issues but if you choose to do it, proceed with caution (as shit might go tits up and it’s not supported).

Without Cinnamon, what exactly makes it Linux Mint? If the core apps don't run on KDE then you might as well run Ubuntu and disable snaps or Linux MX.

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

Without Cinnamon, what exactly makes it Linux Mint? If the core apps don't run on KDE then you might as well run Ubuntu and disable snaps or Linux MX.

Everything else. Plus it was a fun experiment.

Exit: everything ran. It just looked different.

 

[Cool kitties club]

I set up UTM on my Mac with Debian ARM and the resolution scaling and shared clipboard just weren't working. Tried all this trouble shooting and nothing worked until suddenly my VM went from omega crusty to looking sharp and clear and the shared clipboard started working. Thanks spice tools!

Ive gotten into Fedora Atomic lately. Been using Bazzite because my craptop has Nvidia drivers. I so far haven't found anything flatpaks or distrobox cant handle and its nice knowing I can just turn off my laptop once a week and it'll auto update without any of the chaos of windows updates (when I used windows it would just randomly crash out in the middle of updates)

 

[GNU Abyss]

Android is absolutely atrocious when it comes to bloat.
Samsung in particular seems to have duplicated nearly every single one of Google's applications, including the Clock app, and bundles both of each one. How on earth did anybody think this wasn't utterly retarded?

This wouldn't matter in practice if you could just flash a not-retarded ROM on your phone. Unfortunately, the hardware situation is FUBAR. Imagine your desktop PC telling you that the BIOS is locked for Your Safety, go get fucked if you want to install a different OS. If you somehow manage to get it unlocked, it turns out that the WiFi drivers are exclusively proprietary and only compatible with one version of the kernel. Thankfully, this isn't the case for desktop. Mostly thanks to one guy, Larry Finger, who sadly passed away last year. There are no efforts to do this for baseband processors on phones and I doubt many people will want to use them without SIM cards. Bringing any of this up to the phones are the future crowd gets you flouride stares plus something about corporations knowing better and the heckin' slick experience.

 

[SphinxItOver]

the BIOS is locked for Your Safety

Good 'ol digital slavery is needed to force planned obsolescence and monthly subscriptions.

 

[TheDataHorder]

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oh samsung is the worst. from memory all that shit takes up like 50-70gb. at best on a 128gb phone, thats under HALF the capacity of the fucking thing.

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alternative android roms have always been hit or miss. a complex os trying to run on different devices that are barely compatible with each other, requiring a custom version for each one.
it's a pain since it's never guaranteed that your device is supported. (either by the os devs themselves or via a port some random xda user made) it's even harder ever since VoTE has become common, sometimes it'll just work, other times it'll work but only for a little while before your provider catches on, or it won't work at all.
i haven't even touched on shit like, nonexistent tablet support and the nightmarish installation. (hell here in Australia we had a massive banning of IMEI numbers, a fuck ton of phones, local, inported and tourist phones, straight up no longer work on all Aussie networks. bought a fairphone? great! we banned it and it's now a glorified ipod touch!)
there are so many fuck overs with this shit you'd be better off using an old flip phone. (that's still supported and not android based since some newer ones are)

 

[GNU Abyss]

alternative android roms have always been hit or miss. a complex os trying to run on different devices that are barely compatible with each other, requiring a custom version for each one.
it's a pain since it's never guaranteed that your device is supported. (either by the os devs themselves or via a port some random xda user made) it's even harder ever since VoTE has become common, sometimes it'll just work, other times it'll work but only for a little while before your provider catches on, or it won't work at all.

The choice is either get a Pixel or spend the better part of a day pouring through compatibility tables, XDA forum posts and seller ads (most of the well-supported phones aren't made anymore so second hand markets or pawn shops are your only bets). I did the latter and got what I wanted, pretty sure it even supports VoLTE. If you thought picking AMD vs. NVIDIA on Linux is a pain in the ass, try getting a usable de-bloated phone for under 100$.

hell here in Australia we had a massive banning of IMEI numbers, a fuck ton of phones, local, inported and tourist phones, straight up no longer work on all Aussie networks. bought a fairphone? great! we banned it and it's now a glorified ipod touch!

Can't you change your IMEI after rooting the phone?

 

[888Flux]

Can't you change your IMEI after rooting the phone?

It all really depends. on Android the IMEI is just stored on a file in the device. There was xposed back in the day but not sure if that’s supported on the most recent versions of Android or if it is still maintained.

If you have a PinePhone you can change the IMEI on it easily thoughever. But idk if this will break carrier support.

Telecom companies are gay

 

[Cool kitties club]

This wouldn't matter in practice if you could just flash a not-retarded ROM on your phone. Unfortunately, the hardware situation is FUBAR. Imagine your desktop PC telling you that the BIOS is locked for Your Safety, go get fucked if you want to install a different OS. If you somehow manage to get it unlocked, it turns out that the WiFi drivers are exclusively proprietary and only compatible with one version of the kernel. Thankfully, this isn't the case for desktop. Mostly thanks to one guy, Larry Finger, who sadly passed away last year. There are no efforts to do this for baseband processors on phones and I doubt many people will want to use them without SIM cards. Bringing any of this up to the phones are the future crowd gets you flouride stares plus something about corporations knowing better and the heckin' slick experience.

Ive noticed a double standard in the FOSS community of Chromium vs Android. I know so many people who refuse to use Chromium on principle because they see how the open source nature of it allows Google to spread its influence, but they just Ignore Android which is the same principle but worse and more successful because Google actually killed off any competitor phone OS's (China is doing some stuff there so who knows what'll happen next). Like my big Linux buddy was shocked when I laid this all out about Android like what do you not think Android is what Google wants to happen with Chromium.