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[Falcos_Commisar]

What are the more reputable semi-auto shotguns on the market? I'm looking at both new and second hand, mostly in the big brands (I've been warned about cheap turkish shotguns). Are inertia systems really worth the easier clean-up?

Benelli and Beretta.

The M4 system from Benelli and the A400 and A300 systems from Beretta are 100% awesome.

I personally have the Beretta 1401 Comp Pro shotgun (using the A400 gas system) and it's amazing. Gas operated and while not quite as maintenance "free" as the M4's inertia driven system it's really good.

Beyond that.... There are Turkish shotguns that 100% clone the Benelli M4 system but the issue is QC and fitment aren't always great. Eg. You could get a $500 Turkish shotgun that runs just as well at a $1500 Benelli or you get one that's a giga POS..... Who knows

 

[Love Machine]

What are the more reputable semi-auto shotguns on the market? I'm looking at both new and second hand, mostly in the big brands (I've been warned about cheap turkish shotguns). Are inertia systems really worth the easier clean-up?

You know you kinda need to give a budget your working with here. The current creme de la creme would be the beretta 1901 mod 2. The m4 is about the same without some of the nice features that come factory. 1901 is popular so you will also have the pick of parts and upgrades for it. The m4 after market is kind of a ball crusher for no good reason. They're about $2000 which is about the high end for normal off the rack stuff.

Then you have the beretta a300 ultima patrol which is a diet 1301 in all ways. But half the price. And being a diet 1301 means you're still the best shotgun at that price.

Step that down you have a mossbergs 930 and 940. I always hear thing about mossberg kinda being bleck nowadays. But I also hear good things about the 940 and they are probably the best you can get for cheaper then beretta. Never shot them so that's just hearsay on my part.

Overall for "reputable" Just get Beretta. Turk shit is a none factor when it comes to "reputable" but they do make fun range toys. But outside of that couldn't tell you much about them.

 

[Clout $ Monei]

That's 2 mentions of the A300 and 3 of Beretta, and it was already on my list, so I'm gonna look into those I think. I'm buying it for hunting personally, but I imagine a hardened criminal (not me I'm an upstanding citizen ) would be able to switch the tube easily to have a higher capacity. Or do they do wacky stuff to prevent that on models sold in more strict countries?
edit : just saw that only the ultima patrol is compatible with the magazine extension sold by Beretta, I assume other models don't have the threaded part to put it in...

 

[The Dude]

What are the more reputable semi-auto shotguns on the market? I'm looking at both new and second hand, mostly in the big brands (I've been warned about cheap turkish shotguns). Are inertia systems really worth the easier clean-up?

They're spendy, but the FosTech Origin 12 is an excellent shotgun. I love mine. They're based on the Kalashnikov/Saiga 12, but better in every way, and they have an adjustable gas system so you can tune the shotgun the way you want it. It's box magazine/drum fed and one of the few shotguns of that type that are reliable because FosTech took the time to design proper mags and drums for it. Feeding from box mags is what attracted me to the Origin 12 because I'm used to rifles and I figured it would be easier for me to get used to the Origin 12 with my muscle memory as opposed to learning another manual of arms with a tube mag.

 

[Bassomatic]

Gosh so much to chat about with shot show and all.

Also planning my next (already) buy for v day long story but past 15 years I protest and get drunk buy a gun.

I do have a question before I do a lot of running around or getting into my thoughts of shot, replying to anyone etc (I'm low on caffeine and not really all with it)

That turk g force shotgun pops got its clearly a. 870 clone. They have an m4 style stock but it's pricy. It's an 870 clone. Will something made for one fit on?

Any adjustments needed? If so I'm pretty handy with this stuff but also I'm lazy and doing it for pops on a Jannie salary. So not much motivated to do lots of sanding etc.

Hope all's well with my gat frenz.

 

[Love Machine]

Since we are talking about shotguns. I know fuck all about optics I would like someone who is knowledgeable to give me the straight answer. Saving up for my own 1301 after playing with my buddies for a while. An eotech xps3 on it, retarded, or is it based.

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Ian has pissed off the (former) meth head.

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[Dean Pentel]

Anybody have any opinions on the Tisas 1911 Raider?

They're okay. I'd personally recommend you save a bit more money and get either an RIA Tac model (not bad at all), or a used Springfield Ronin or Operator.

5.56 lives and dies on velocity.

Outside of an AR-15 it is pretty dumb not to use a 20" barrel, especially if you want the best terminal ballistics for hunting purposes. You lose way less with 18" vs 16". It's why the MK12 is 18" vs 16".

You're not wrong but I don't think the velocity difference between the two barrel lengths matters all that much in the roles these rifles would fill.

Shotshow can be hype?

If you're big into overpaying for drinks at Circle Bar, catching some sort of communicable illness, and seeing the industry market some very dumb shit, then yes it's hype.

I've only got one SIG, a P226 TacOps. It's been a good gun, but it's also about ten or twelve years old now and was made when SIG still gave a shit. They used to be right up there with HK in quality, but ever since they opened their US branch and started getting US military and government contracts they seem to have just given up.

Hopefully they go the way of Colt. I do wish I'd been smart enough to pick up an 8" 9mm MPX when they made those. Oh well.

What are the more reputable semi-auto shotguns on the market? I'm looking at both new and second hand, mostly in the big brands (I've been warned about cheap turkish shotguns). Are inertia systems really worth the easier clean-up?

To me, in descending order: Beretta 1301 (especially if you can spring for an LTT upgraded one), Benelli (M4, M2, M1 Super 90 if you're a movie gun fag like me), Mossberg 940, Remington 11-87 (I want to be able to use 3" shells when I want to).

Since we are talking about shotguns. I know fuck all about optics I would like someone who is knowledgeable to give me the straight answer. Saving up for my own 1301 after playing with my buddies for a while. An eotech xps3 on it, retarded, or is it based.

Eotech makes a good sight. No clue how much utility you'd get out of their choice of reticle for a shotgun. Somebody else in the thread likely knows better but I'm doubtful an XPS3 would be a bad choice.

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

Ian has pissed off the (former) meth head.

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[DoNotFeedTheSneed]

Thinking of picking up this Gen 2 Belgian police Glock from Atlantic Firearms. Currently going for $430. Do you guys think I should go for it or should I spend extra on a newer Glock with more modern features (like a Gen 5 17 or a 47)?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Thinking of picking up this Gen 2 Belgian police Glock from Atlantic Firearms. Currently going for $430. Do you guys think I should go for it or should I spend extra on a newer Glock with more modern features (like a Gen 5 17 or a 47)?View attachment 6911296View attachment 6911297

Depends on your use case but I think this is more for the weirdo Glock collectors.
If price is a big deal, pick up a newer police trade-in with a rail so you at least have the choice of mounting a light.

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

Step that down you have a mossbergs 930 and 940. I always hear thing about mossberg kinda being bleck nowadays. But I also hear good things about the 940 and they are probably the best you can get for cheaper then beretta. Never shot them so that's just hearsay on my part.

I've got a ridiculous 930 snow goose gun - 13-shot tube, Kryptek Arctic (lol) camo and some mods from OR3Gun. It's a bit rattly-feeling, but I shoot pretty well with it and it goes bang every time. Next scattergat pickup will definitely be something more Italian-flavored.

 

[DocAwe]

Depends on your use case but I think this is more for the weirdo Glock collectors.
If price is a big deal, pick up a newer police trade-in with a rail so you at least have the choice of mounting a light.

Agreed.
Unless you're a collector I'd get a newer model.

 

[Rainbow Idiot]

That's 2 mentions of the A300 and 3 of Beretta, and it was already on my list, so I'm gonna look into those I think. I'm buying it for hunting personally, but I imagine a hardened criminal (not me I'm an upstanding citizen ) would be able to switch the tube easily to have a higher capacity. Or do they do wacky stuff to prevent that on models sold in more strict countries?

If you're looking for a hunting shotgun Dad had a browning gold that was damn near perfect for any sort of bird from light dove loads to 3 1/2 goose and turkey loads I cant remember it ever failing to feed. He loved it so much that I think he had 4 of them.

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

Thinking of picking up this Gen 2 Belgian police Glock from Atlantic Firearms. Currently going for $430. Do you guys think I should go for it or should I spend extra on a newer Glock with more modern features (like a Gen 5 17 or a 47)?

Here you go, found on Reddit gun deals page.

https://www.wistransfers.com/product/leo-trade-in-glock-17-gen-5-9mm-171-grade-2-good-to-very-good-w-2-mags

"Some models come with front slide serrations and some come with the half-moon cut. We can't guarantee you will receive one or the other model.

Night Sights are HIGLY likely, but not guaranteed."

He says 10% of them gave front slide serrations and 90% half moon cut. If there's a deal killer well there you go. I should get a G19 just to have one. Too many big adult responsibilities spending right now

 

[BikeLock]

Got my VP9 Match kit in the mail. I wish I could find the match striker assembly on its own, whatever they did made the trigger much better, its not just the nickel plating or whatever finish they used on the firing pin, possibly a lighter striker safety spring, too. Put an ultramatch trigger return spring from HK parts into my otherwise stock VP9 lower it and it feels really nice, though the reset isn't nearly as positive as with the factory spring, I'll have to go to the range before I decide if I don't like it.

Kit didn't come with the 20 round mags (booo), but I've already got a handful of 17 rnd mags, and I don't really have any plans to do competitive stuff with it so maybe I'll get those later.

The VP9 Match kit comes with the complete upper (only one recoil assembly, the blue one) and a pack of spare O-rings for the barrel. Sights are elevated suppressor/optic co-witness XS Big Dot Sights. A big super luminous green dot up front (like the original factory luminous sights, but seem to hold its charge a little longer) and a blacked out serrated rear.

I was sort of jealous of a fellow shooter's Canik TP9 SFx, and this kit was cheaper. The TP9 still has a better trigger, which of course it does, its a turkroach P99, but I trust this to be a bit better in the long run.

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

Got my VP9 Match kit in the mail. I wish I could find the match striker assembly on its own, whatever they did made the trigger much better, its not just the nickel plating or whatever finish they used on the firing pin, possibly a lighter striker safety spring, too. Put an ultramatch trigger return spring from HK parts into my otherwise stock VP9 lower it and it feels really nice, though the reset isn't nearly as positive as with the factory spring, I'll have to go to the range before I decide if I don't like it.

Kit didn't come with the 20 round mags (booo), but I've already got a handful of 17 rnd mags, and I don't really have any plans to do competitive stuff with it so maybe I'll get those later.

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The VP9 Match kit comes with the complete upper (only one recoil assembly, the blue one) and a pack of spare O-rings for the barrel. Sights are elevated suppressor/optic co-witness XS Big Dot Sights. A big super luminous green dot up front (like the original factory luminous sights, but seem to hold its charge a little longer) and a blacked out serrated rear.

I was sort of jealous of a fellow shooter's Canik TP9 SFx, and this kit was cheaper. The TP9 still has a better trigger, which of course it does, its a turkroach P99, but I trust this to be a bit better in the long run.

That looks really nice. I've wanted to try a paddle release. The only time I've tried one was at a public game lands range. A dorky guy in his probably mid 30s had an entourage of other similar men and women with him. He had a bunch of handguns with him. I was there with my wife and he was trying to give them all a safety lesson and everything you know good on him. Clearly new shooters. But then he asked me how to remove the magazine from his Walther. I started thinking "whose guns are these? This guy's the pack leader". So I showed everybody that it's a paddle release and this is how you get the magazine out. I like teaching people, but I also don't want to teach strangers when I'm trying to have a range day. I noticed before that that they were tea cupping when they were dry, firing or shooting a 22. I can't remember. So when I showed him how to do the mag release thing I also showed him how to actually hold a handgun. they also had a hellcat that had a red dot on it, but somebody must not have put a battery in it because it wasn't turning on. The guy that brought everybody there with all these guns also didn't know how it worked, Or what was wrong with it or anything. So we started packing up cuz I don't know what the hell was going on with that.

Still better than the time there was like 6 Indians there mostly older and very young women who were limp wristing 1911s and clearly never shot before while the guys were all speaking Hindi and filming it. Or the zoom zoom who was pushing his GF to shoot his AK and she was really mad at him. He clearly didn't know how to shoot it either he never corrected her stance or anything. She was very scared, and scolding him. Now I'm just rambling about gamelands stories.

I've seen a lot of Canik talk of barrels losing rifling at much much lower round counts than normal. I never understood the fascination people have with them. There's this very strong fanboy culture around them.

 

[BikeLock]

I've seen a lot of Canik talk of barrels losing rifling at much much lower round counts than normal. I never understood the fascination people have with them. There's this very strong fanboy culture around them.

If Walther PDP's looked nearly as good as their turkroach counterparts they probably wouldn't even exist, seeing as how they're similarly priced.

I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Canik "people" also own an XD, too. The guy I was shooting with who had the Canik has many other guns, including a VP9 of his own, he just happened to have it with him that day.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

That looks really nice. I've wanted to try a paddle release.

Best part of the VP9, besides maybe the nice striker indicator on the back.

It’s super fun to be able to drop a mag by just flipping the bird.