Mega Rad Gun Thread

Looks as retarded as Estonian TP-1.
A bunch of non-upgraded M14 rifles from Estonia and Latvia ended up in Ukraine as aid
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Most are opting to open carry not seeking a tactical advantage but to make people they don’t like politically uncomfortable.

Yeah. IMO thats really the only reason for it outside of protecting a person who accidently exposed themselves. For better or worse it provides a way for someone to legally brandish or intimidate political opponents be it ANTIFA super soldiers protecting drag queen story hour or the farmers at the Bundy standoff.
 
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No. 2: The Gewehr 88 Commision Rifle
The Gewehr 88 Commision Rifle is a german bolt action full length service rifle with a mannlicher style magazine developed in 1888 in response to the french Lebel 1887 and its associated smokeless powder. Germany was France's primary rival at the time, mostly due to upsets from teh Franco Prussian war. As such, an immediate response to smokeless powder was neccesary. An important aspect to understand of this rifle's history is in it's name "The Commission rifle". Instead of traditional rifle development, where the government will create a list of features and specs, and let companies produce something to meet that, the commision rifle was developed by a german commision, hence the name, picking parts, pieces, and deseigns to create the rifle we know today. Of note, though not pertinent to this post, a large part of the inital controversey around the rifle was patent violations, especially that of the mannlicher magazine, a patent owned by OEWG Steyr of Austria. From that issue, a deal was struck that OEWG would manufacture a certain number of Gew 88s for Germany, and get exclusive export rights for the rifle. This is why many Steyr rifles that are not straight pulls or mausers have a bolt that is nearly identical to the Gew 88.

Variants
There are not too many variants, so in chronoligcal order
Gewehr 88: The standard rifle. Mannlicher magazine, mannlicher clip feeding.

Gewehr 88/05: A 1905 update by the Germans, with several notable changes. The sights were updated to reflect the ballistics of the new S Patrone. The receiver had a notch cut in the front, and ears rivited onto the back, so that it could feed from standard mauser stripper clips. the magazine had the open hole for the mannlicher covered up with some sheet metal. A notch was cut into the receiver for a cartridge interruppeter for magazine feeding of loose ammo. The idea was to convert the Gew 88 to the same manual of arms as the Gew 98 mauser

Gewehr 88/16. A very rare conversion, also done by the Germans. My understanding is that it is identical to the 88/05, but with a slightly different sight, and less markings applied.

Gewehr 88/05/35: A Turkish conversion. A great many Gew 88s were given to the turks (then ottomans) as wartime aid, and after the war when Germany was required to shrink their military arms. Skip forward to 1935, and the Turks have Gew 88s, mauser 1890s, mauser 1893s, and mauser 1903s. As these are all fairly different rifles, the Turks begin a conversion program to convert all their arms to 1 universal pattern. The Gew 88/05/35 saw such changes, primarily a brand new barrelt that did away with the barrel shroud entirely, and added a handguard over top of it.

The Barrel Debacle
The issue surrounding the modern Gew 88 barrel concerns is poorly understood by 90% of the firearms community, and this post seeks to resolve that. Upon development in 1888, the Patrone (cartidge) 88 was also developed. This is of course, 8x57J mauser aka 8mm mauser J. Importantly, there is one distinct difference here: The bottlenose bullet had a diameter of .318". Thus, the grooves in the early barrels, were of a .318 diamater was well. Later on in 1895/96 to imrove accuracy, this was increased to .323, though the effects on accuracy did not seem to be notable. in 1905, the spitzer variant of 8mm mauser we all know and love today was developed. Dubbed the "S Patrone." This new S patrone also had a slightly different case profile than the Patrone 88, so many gew 88s had their chambers reamed so that the new cartidge would fit, so that in an emergency, it could use that new cartidge. It possesed a spitzer bullet with a .323 diameter, hence it being used in Gew 88s in emergencies only. The czechs and south americans had some differing sizes as well, which will be discussed later.

The Barrel Debacle: Markings
So theres all these funny barrels, and the Germans being the autists that they were, well documented and covered it. I will only cover here the ones that are pertinant.
When the rifles had their barrels updated to the new .323 size, a "Z" was stamped into the receiver. Rifles made after that date will not have that stamp, and generally can be assumed to have that groove size (though not in all cases)
When the chambers were reamed to accomodate the new S patrone, a large "S" was stamped on the receiver. NOTE: this DOES NOT mean that the barrel was in any way shape or form changed to the size of the new .323 bullet. This is where all the controversey, "s marked receiver" stuff, and popping of barrels in modern times occurs. Many barrels had that this "S" update, were never changed from their origianl .318 groove size. Shooting a .323 bullet in a .318 barrel is unsafe and can injure the shooter. Again, the "S" mark indicated a change to the chamber and not the barrel itself

Gew 88 Sources, Users, and ID: What You Need to Know
Up front, it is important to know: the vast majority of Gew 88s are posess a barrel unsafe for modern 8mm mauser, commercial and surplus
As far as I know, you essentially have 4 sources/user of Gew 88s that are available now
1. German. German Gew 88s can generally be assumed to have a .318 groove diameter unless marked with a "Z", and even then due to tolerances (some barrels can be as tight as .321), you should always slug the barrel to be sure of its size. These guns are generally in very nice condition, and are also somewhat uncommon, as most Gew 88s were gotten rid of due to the treaty of Versailles.
2. Turkish. These are the most common Gew 88s on the market. You can find regular Gew 88s, Gew 88/05s, and of course Gew 88/05/35s. The 88s and 88/05s should be slugged to confirm groove diameter, though if your barrel is also turkish, there is a good chance that it is a .323. The 88/05/35 is guranteed to be a .323 and is fine with modern spitzer ammo.
3. Ethiopian. Ethiopian Gew 88s are as far as I have seen, all the original Gew 88 pattern. All of them are a .318 groove diameter, though typically this doesn't matter since the rifling is all but gone annyway.
4. South America. South American Gew 88s are prevalent, and in awful condition most of the time. These rifles tend to be vary hard up, often broken and missing parts. Important to note: in the 20s, the south american nation that had these, contracted with the czechs to get new barrels and ammo. What the czechs gave them, was the commercial sporting varitant of 8mm mauser, and barrels to match. This variant is 8mm mauser has a .316 size bullet, and of course cannot be used with modern 8mm mauser, or the patrone 88. All Gew 88 rifles in poor condition, should be assumed to be south american, and posses a .316 groove diamater, regardless of markings.

Conclusion
Hopefully this is helpful in understanding how and what you can shoot in a Gew 88, as well as which Gew 88 you have. I may have forgotten a few things but this should be the essentials. There is a lot of fuddlore surrounding these rifles, but rest assured this should be definitive and factual. Feel free to ask any questions and I'll try my best to help out.
 
I gotta level with you. The chances of that happening are so low. But the advantage of actually carrying the gun you're most proficient in and enjoy shooting to train is so much higher. Wear Tall shirts so when you bend over it doesn't ride up and just generally dress around strong side you'll be fine. You can even tuck your shirt in with the vedder light tuck. I carried at work doing that for a while with a G19 sized gun.
Yep. Exactly what I do. I find g19 sized guns to be the perfect balance of shootability and concealment. The biggest issue with some subs and micro compacts is they fucking suck to shoot, so you won't want to train with them.
 
Didn’t the Chinese also adopt a variant of this rifle? What can you say about those.
I knew i forgot something

Yes the chinese did purchase some quantities of Gew 88s. They all have .318 barrels and are not safe to shoot with modern 8mm mauser. They are typically pretty hard up (a trend with guns from china pre ccp), but can have chinese characters on the stocks which is really cool (and Ethiopians often have amharic stamping which i forgot to mention).
The Chinese also made a clone of the Gew 88 called the Hanyang 88 thats very similiar to the Turkish Gew 88/05/35 in concept,  however, unlike its Turkish cousin, all Hanyang 88s have a .318 barrel and are not safe to shoot with modern 8mm mauser. Hanyang 88s are fairly common, but original Gew 88s used by the chinese are somewhat hard to come by.
 
Thread bros, I don't want to shit up the thread with arguments on tactics so I'm putting this out here as a suggestion:

I wouldn't worry too much about how best to draw a pistol while seated in your vehicle unless someone has actually entered your vehicle and is punching you in the face/attempting to kill you somehow. If you can see a threat coming and you're concerned they have ill intentions, use your vehicle (a much deadlier weapon than any pistol in existence) to extricate yourself from the situation. If you're ambushed but your opponents haven't quickly made egress into your vehicle, use your vehicle to extricate yourself. Run people over and/or ram their vehicles if you need to. Yes, your airbags will deploy but it's not going to make driving impossible.

If you start taking gunfire while in a vehicle either drive the fuck away ASAP or exit the vehicle for a better position. To sit in a vehicle trying to return fire is an enormous mistake.

All that stated, I'll also say I dislike the idea of leaving firearms in one's vehicle unless the vehicle has been outfitted with some sort of safe or lockbox. We're all adults here so do as you like but that's my opinion on that.
Fuck that be like this guy:



Only half kidding. he fucking wasted that son of a bitch. Right through the window.
 
Yep. Exactly what I do. I find g19 sized guns to be the perfect balance of shootability and concealment. The biggest issue with some subs and micro compacts is they fucking suck to shoot, so you won't want to train with them.
The P365 is nice to shoot for it's size in 9mm and is awesome to shoot in .380

The P238 is also lovely to shoot.

You're right that Airweight S&Ws and ultra tiny 9mms are tough and..... May God have mercy on my hand bones.... The .380 PPK and ANY Scandium and titanium J frame shooting. 357 mag.

"A .380 being unpleasant to shoot?" You ask. Yes, a nearly subcompact blowback pistol in .380 sucks
 
"A .380 being unpleasant to shoot?" You ask. Yes, a nearly subcompact blowback pistol in .380 sucks
Reminds me one time I was at a gun show and a husband and wife were next to me looking at M&P EZs, in both .380 and 9mm. The dealer said the .380 one was "more snappy" than the 9mm one, even though it's a less powerful round in the same size gun. They just all assume .380 is snappy because the tiny pocket pistols are.
 
S&W Model 60 or Ruger SP101, both available in short barrels and both very good options - nobody will say you're undergunned with either option. Colt's Cobra is nice but i dislike alloy frames in magnum calibers. a Rossi M877 is a good budget option as it's made on S&W tooling for the model 60 with some minor changes to parts combined with cheaper labor to bring the overall cost down. still a solid revolver and a step up from later offerings after Taurus bought Rossi. Armscor imports the Alfa-Projekt AL3.1 and sells it under the Rock Island Armory brand as a pretty decent revolver from the Czech Republic.
I am very found of my Ruger SP101 it's a solid wheel gun
 
I don't think it's open carry but if it's not in my pocket I like a OWB holster (usually with a thumb snap) under a long shirt or jacket/vest.
I'd call that concealed. The gun's covered, unless it's short enough to ride up if you reach for a tall shelf or something, I guess. When I think of open carry, I think of the jackasses in my area that stop just short of kicking the door in screaming, "I have a gun!"
The P365 is nice to shoot for it's size in 9mm and is awesome to shoot in .380
Had a bit of an odyssey with a woman recently trying to find her a carry gun. I'm not, like, some super operator or anything, but I have been pulling triggers for the better part of thirty years, so I at least know enough to not just hand her a .38 Airweight and call it good. She learned on my P95, which she shoots pretty well. Better than I do, if I'm having a bad day when she's having a good one. Her one complaint is that it's too big for her hands, so we went to a range, paid far, far too much money renting basically everything they had Glock 19 sized and smaller. She landed on a P365 XMACRO, or however they stylize it, after shooting basically every variant of the P365 and Hellcat lines. I also ran about half a mag through each, just out of curiosity. I do find both the P365 and the Hellcat deceptively well-behaved for how small they are, but the jump in comfort from the base P365 to the Chungus Edition™, and from the base Hellcat to whatever the fuck Springfield calls the bigger one of those, is absolutely worth the extra mass.

As an aside, she hated every variant of the Hellcat she touched. She described the ergonomics as like "trying to shoot a fucking Snickers bar."
 
Is it a good idea to buy an el cheapo ($100-$150) pistol to qualify for your CCW knowing that your won't carry that one. Or should I just save up for the pistol I want and qualify for that? Mind you whatever gun I carry I will of course train and practice with it. But this is so I can just get my CCW.
 
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