Infected Euphoric atheists

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RedneckQuadFeed said:
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"Everyone I don't like is a Christian!"

Trump supporters are still salty.

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Tootsie Bear said:
Trump supporters are still salty.
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Crossposting a paragraph I typed up in the US Politics Thread - the religion of the atheist is woke politics:

Think of how these people behave on social media - yeah, they're gonna "resist" by posting dumb things on Twitter and Facebook and spamming right wing people's pages with abuse or harassment, or even just spamming the pages of Christian people you think support Trump by default just because they are Christian. All these sorts of people do is really just the illusion of choice, like they're going to really do anything other than make utter fools of themselves by behaving in an obnoxious, spiteful way - and they will continue to do so because social media companies enable their behavior, and these sorts of people have been completely herded into thinking "Fascist Christian Nationalists" are real.
 
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CAPTAIN MATI said:
ComsicSceptic chickened out of a debate with The Wood that was scheduled two weeks from now because jihadis threatened death lol
Gotta say, I expected sterner stuff from Alex.
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The new debate is funnier, and way more offensive to Muslims, seeing as David Wood is going to be debating Robert Spencer about if Muhammad existed, which he's historically lost against Robert Spencer when they did it before, because the only really good evidence for Mo is the criterion of embarrassment. The guy repping the Islamic view point, and its a Christian who eats the Quran to piss off Muslims.

And Central Dawah, who was supposed to be debating the Apostate Prophet, got kicked out when he threatened to kill AP on a live debate.

Shits wild at Debatecon.
 
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A Very Big Fish said:
seeing as David Wood is going to be debating Robert Spencer about if Muhammad existed
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That's even more retarded than if they did the "Did Jesus Exist" stupidity. Like, there's good documentation on him and it's even better than on Jesus.

And by comparison Jesus' family tomb was found, and his existence makes sense given the Millenarianism that went through the Jewish people during the 1st Century. Jesus was likely a day laborer, with the mason aspect being added on later to improve his chops, who became one of quite a few Messiah figures during that time.

And don't get me started on all the fuckers who have Muhammad's blood coursing through their veins, which was intentionally documented mind you.

These two guys are very well documented and tested by historians already, and it's comical to see Atheists do the same shit Creationists do by faking their credentials.
 
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Adamska said:
That's even more retarded than if they did the "Did Jesus Exist" stupidity. Like, there's good documentation on him and it's even better than on Jesus.
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Looks like someone doesn't know when the first sirah were written.
Adamska said:
And by comparison Jesus' family tomb was found, and his existence makes sense given the Millenarianism that went through the Jewish people during the 1st Century. Jesus was likely a day laborer, with the mason aspect being added on later to improve his chops, who became one of quite a few Messiah figures during that time.
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Likely.
Maybe.
Perhaps.
And 0 historians who'd take that shit seriously.
Adamska said:
And don't get me started on all the fuckers who have Muhammad's blood coursing through their veins, which was intentionally documented mind you.
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It wasn't. There is no genuine family tree of Muhammad.
Adamska said:
These two guys are very well documented and tested by historians already, and it's comical to see Atheists do the same shit Creationists do by faking their credentials.
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Jesus is.
Muhammad is an absolute enigma, more so for being a warlord with wealth and power.
 
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Adamska said:
That's even more retarded than if they did the "Did Jesus Exist" stupidity. Like, there's good documentation on him and it's even better than on Jesus.

And by comparison Jesus' family tomb was found, and his existence makes sense given the Millenarianism that went through the Jewish people during the 1st Century. Jesus was likely a day laborer, with the mason aspect being added on later to improve his chops, who became one of quite a few Messiah figures during that time.

And don't get me started on all the fuckers who have Muhammad's blood coursing through their veins, which was intentionally documented mind you.

These two guys are very well documented and tested by historians already, and it's comical to see Atheists do the same shit Creationists do by faking their credentials.
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The first biography on Muhammad (died 632), the Sirat rasul allah by Ibn Shihah al-Zuhri (died in 741-2) doesn't show up until around a century after he died. It is lost to history, and the second one, by Ibn Hisham (died 833), was by admission of the author, heavily redacted and edited. It also includes stuff that most modern Muslims tend to ignore like the Satanic Verses, and Muhammad trying to kill himself a bunch. The Hadith, which are what most Muslims use to talk about Muhammad's life and teachings, don't start to show up until around 200 years later (842-847). Bukhari, who went and gathered them, had 600,000 which he reduced to the ones that he thought were most reliable, and came to about 7.5k, and only about 2.6k of these are unique, several are just repeats or different versions of other hadith. Obviously, the issue, becomes even more pronounced when not only are none of these sources particularly close, but the fact that there were apparently over 500k+ stories floating around that were only decided against because of Bukhari and those he worked with.

Another issue is that the Quran and Muslim sources present Mecca as some massive trade hub, but maps of the world at that time don't seem to know it even existed, which is an isssue, because how do you have a trade hub if no one knows how to find you?

Personally, I very much think Mo existed, but I think its pretty hard to make a historical argument that goes beyond, a lot of people seem to think that he did immediately following when he was said to live, and that if I were to make up a religious figure, it wouldn't be much like Mo.
 
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CAPTAIN MATI said:
Looks like someone doesn't know when the first sirah were written.

Likely.
Maybe.
Perhaps.
And 0 historians who'd take that shit seriously.

It wasn't. There is no genuine family tree of Muhammad.

Jesus is.
Muhammad is an absolute enigma, more so for being a warlord with wealth and power.
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There actually is a family tree of Muhammed starting from Khadija and his other wives. The only thing that matters if you think he was a prophet or just another desert tribe charlatan. Same with Jesus, who at best seems to have been a culture-hero with all these things attributed to him.
 
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There actually is a family tree of Muhammed starting from Khadija and his other wives. The only thing that matters if you think he was a prophet or just another desert tribe charlatan. Same with Jesus, who at best seems to have been a culture-hero with all these things attributed to him.
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My bro, it's cool if you think that in your private quarters and stuff.
NEVER tell that to anyone who studies history, you'll be laughed out of any quarter you'd find yourself in.
 
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TaimuRadiu said:
tell them what, that muhammed existed and we have all these people who actually knew him who left records of him?
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I assume you didn't read the upper posts about Muhammad's sources coming centuries after him, mind you, who was an extremely important figure of his day, and those sources contradict the standard narrative.
All the while you have literally 4 masterpieces of literature and dozens of letters, master pieces in themselves, of Jesus within decades. Mind you, who was a regional "folk hero" with only 3 years of ministry compared to Muhammad's decades worth of clown prophetics.
In historian terms it is hysterically remarkable that a low class carpenter farmer has far more historic cred than a massive warlord who lived 6 centuries LATER.
TaimuRadiu said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_Muhammad also here's a literal family tree of muhammed lol
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You seem like a good kid so I won't laugh at you for using wikipedia.
But I will challenge you to actually look up the nature of where these charts came from and how they developed.
 
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A lot of atheists and agnostics have concocted this theory that either Jesus and his apostles never existed, and Paul made them up, or they did exist, but Jesus never claimed to be God and neither did the apostles preached that Jesus was God, until Paul came along to change the narrative. Can anyone explain what these people have against St Paul?
 
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This ruined Sonic said:
Can anyone explain what these people have against St Paul?
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It's not about Paul specifically but more finding data to suit their fancy and they just latch onto this conspiracy. My " favorite" conspiracy is that Christianity was a roman psyop to create the perfect slave caste or something equally ridiculous.
 
CAPTAIN MATI said:
I assume you didn't read the upper posts about Muhammad's sources coming centuries after him, mind you, who was an extremely important figure of his day, and those sources contradict the standard narrative.
All the while you have literally 4 masterpieces of literature and dozens of letters, master pieces in themselves, of Jesus within decades. Mind you, who was a regional "folk hero" with only 3 years of ministry compared to Muhammad's decades worth of clown prophetics.
In historian terms it is hysterically remarkable that a low class carpenter farmer has far more historic cred than a massive warlord who lived 6 centuries LATER.

You seem like a good kid so I won't laugh at you for using wikipedia.
But I will challenge you to actually look up the nature of where these charts came from and how they developed.
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They didn't come "centuries after," they were near contemporaneous and he was known for being a warlord in his time. Meanwhile with Jesus you have the "Gospels," which recount miracles that can be attributed to culture heroes. The letters also came much afterwards, especially Paul, which amount to "source: it came to me in a dream".
 
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Agreeably4263 said:
It's not about Paul specifically but more finding data to suit their fancy and they just latch onto this conspiracy. My " favorite" conspiracy is that Christianity was a roman psyop to create the perfect slave caste or something equally ridiculous.
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Ahh, the good old "Romans created Christianity to control the Jews" narrative, kind of the opposite of "Jews created Christianity to control the Romans" that /pol/tards seem to believe.
 
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