Mega Rad Gun Thread

[BikeLock]

I just want something that's quality and generally mil-spec that functions in harsh extreme cold conditions and functions well with very easily replaceable parts"

You're not gonna like this answer either:

Buy a USP or HK45.

 

[Adolf Hulkler]

We don't buy disposable suppressors because each one is serialized and comes with a $200 tax stamp.

The only thing the Euros got right about firearms is that suppressors are safety devices, not assassin tools (Thanks, again, hollywood jews, you fucked us on switchblades, balisongs, and stillettos, too).

Never heard of disposable suppressors.
You can get a full stainless suppressor for 30 cal here for 200.
Same for aluminium and normal steel.
Titanium ones start from 300
Quicklock ones are about the same price as in america tho.

 

[BikeLock]

Never heard of disposable suppressors.
You can get a full stainless suppressor for 30 cal here for 200.
Same for aluminium and normal steel.
Titanium ones start from 300
Quicklock ones are about the same price as in america tho.

I suppose when I meant "disposable" I meant, "non-rebuildable"

You get a baffle strike on that $200 can, you just shrug and buy another.

We get a baffle strike on our $200 can (that is now $400), we have to buy another $200 can, and then another $200 tax stamp, wait for approval, and then prove to the government that the last one was destroyed.

So our "cheapest cans" run about $400 (plus the $200 stamp), thanks to the market and the NFA.

 

[Legato]

Never heard of disposable suppressors.
You can get a full stainless suppressor for 30 cal here for 200.
Same for aluminium and normal steel.
Titanium ones start from 300
Quicklock ones are about the same price as in america tho.

Oil can suppressors are disposable.

 

[Samhain]

For a long time it wasn't worth most companies making inexpensive suppressors due to the $200 tax and ridiculously long ATF approval time making suppressors unattractive purchases for a lot of gun owners. Most suppressor companies were chasing military and LE contracts, with a much smaller number targeting hunters.

But there's far more interest now, as well as improvements in manufacturing, and that's how you get really good suppressors like the OCL Polonium series that are very affordable (a couple months ago I saw the Polos going for $420 on sale). Also in the past year, the wait time for suppressor purchase approvals has gone from 9-12 months to just a few days in most cases. Most suppressors are still pretty expensive though, but they're also getting more intricate in their designs due to the manufacturing advances. The $200 tax really needs to fucking go away.

So yeah, something like a Surefire SOCOM RC2 might be $1200 (plus $200 tax), but it's a nearly indestructible tank that 99% of civilian buyers will never have to have serviced in any way. It will essentially last someone their entire life. For about half that much, you can get an OCL Polonium, which is still a durable suppressor.

 

[DOOMSlayer]

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Well I hope you've had good luck with it at least

 

[The Dude]

Never heard of disposable suppressors.
You can get a full stainless suppressor for 30 cal here for 200.
Same for aluminium and normal steel.
Titanium ones start from 300
Quicklock ones are about the same price as in america tho.

One other thing to consider about American suppressors is the innovation, technology, and materials they're being built with now. I've only got one suppressor for now, a .30 Caliber/7.62mm rifle can called the Vox S. It's made from a nickel maraging steel alloy that's typically used in aerospace and rocket parts and other high temperature applications where repeated cycles of heating and cooling happens. Then you have the newer flow-through cans to greatly reduce gas backpressure where the whole thing is essentially 3D printed, but with metal, because the design is far too complex to be machined. You also have suppressors now where each section of the baffle stack and the body is one piece and can be threaded on to the section before it, so you can customize the length and quietness of your can. You have cans utilizing other more exotic materials like inconel and Haynes 282, which are much more expensive than steel, aluminum, and even titanium of older suppressor designs. Since sound suppressors have been treated less as a utilitarian safety device in the US and more like military equipment or a niche collectable due to the National Firearms Act of 1934 up until recently, our suppressor manufacturers have had to innovate to stand out from the crowd and attract buyers. But now that suppressors are becoming more mainstream and accessible to regular folks, hopefully they will get deregulated and be treated more like they are in Europe.

 

[Anakin Soywalker]

Does anybody in here have an SLR magwell on their glawk? I'm thinking of buying one for my 19x picrel

 

[Janki's Mom]

Kimber nose dived in quality around 2013 or so, maybe a little beforehand depending on model. they were struggling with commercial and contract sales volume for what was a relatively small shop and both expanded as well as started loosening QC on MIM and cast parts just to get product shipped. Over time, getting very poor machine work done in the interest of speed and profit. they evened out around 2017 or 2018 and have been kinda mediocre since then with worse finish than old big banner Mauser rifles (big oof) and sometimes sloppy fitting.

the Kimber Desert Warrior is semi-custom and is built by a select few people at Kimber specifically for the contract and some limited commercial sales of overruns. i have old Yonkers Kimbers and they're fantastic pieces for the money asked (compared to an Ed Brown or Les Baer where quality is still better, but not at the prices Kimber offered). Kimber in the best of times was a cheaper Wilson Combat that actually answered the phone.

Which is why I rock a Dan Wesson Pointman.

 

[ChampFantana]

Glock 21.
But if you're dead set on a 1911 forever gun, Wilson Combat. Bill knows his shit, and even after he left his company does good work no matter what gun it is.

Mine has been a reliable EDC for close to two decades now, and I'm very happy with it.

 

[Anakin Soywalker]

Mine has been a reliable EDC for close to two decades now, and I'm very happy with it.

which model?

 

[sodomy lifestyle]

Is it a good idea to buy an el cheapo ($100-$150) pistol to qualify for your CCW knowing that your won't carry that one. Or should I just save up for the pistol I want and qualify for that? Mind you whatever gun I carry I will of course train and practice with it. But this is so I can just get my CCW.

Out of curiosity, what are the CCW requirements? Will any action type and caliber do? If yes, single action .22 revolvers like the Ruger Wrangler are the only sidearms that are both roughly in your price range and have lasting value for target practice.

If it needs to be centerfire cartridge, cheaper and you're content with getting a more expensive firearm later to practice with, then Hi-Point it is.

 

[ChampFantana]

which model?

Whoops, probably shoulda clarified. I have a Third-Gen G21.

 

[Adolf Hulkler]

One other thing to consider about American suppressors is the innovation, technology, and materials they're being built with now. I've only got one suppressor for now, a .30 Caliber/7.62mm rifle can called the Vox S. It's made from a nickel maraging steel alloy that's typically used in aerospace and rocket parts and other high temperature applications where repeated cycles of heating and cooling happens. Then you have the newer flow-through cans to greatly reduce gas backpressure where the whole thing is essentially 3D printed, but with metal, because the design is far too complex to be machined. You also have suppressors now where each section of the baffle stack and the body is one piece and can be threaded on to the section before it, so you can customize the length and quietness of your can. You have cans utilizing other more exotic materials like inconel and Haynes 282, which are much more expensive than steel, aluminum, and even titanium of older suppressor designs. Since sound suppressors have been treated less as a utilitarian safety device in the US and more like military equipment or a niche collectable due to the National Firearms Act of 1934 up until recently, our suppressor manufacturers have had to innovate to stand out from the crowd and attract buyers. But now that suppressors are becoming more mainstream and accessible to regular folks, hopefully they will get deregulated and be treated more like they are in Europe.

God damn you described it perfectly.
Ive looked at the US made suppressors for sale here and thought to myself "thats way too over engineered, but cool"
You didnt mention carbon fiber tho, to which i have total aversion to.
I know a guy who got one for his 300wsm bolt action and it blew apart from the side at the range.
What he believed to have happened was that the left side had received quite a few impacts from rocks and boulders while crawling on the forest floor towards a moose that was currently being gang stalked by a barking karelian bear hound, multiple times.
Theyre expensive and seem to be fragile.

 

[DOOMSlayer]

Whoops, probably shoulda clarified. I have a Third-Gen G21.

Based. I carry a gen 5 G19, and I think the only legitimate gripes that people can have are the sights and maybe the grip texture. The grip angle and trigger are copes imo.

 

[Dean Pentel]

Engraved Mateba

Rare 12.5in KAC SR-25 DAC (Direct Action Carbine) with SR-25 sized FF RAS-5 (same style of rail used on USSS SR-16's)

I've never understood this setup. I had some buddies that killed folks with similar setups in Iraq and Afghanistan and they said that besides the rifles being heavy and having less ammo they worked fine. They used suppressors on theirs. Unsuppressed they'd create fireballs at the muzzle to make a Mk18 blush and .308 ballistics at this barrel length make them basically expensive 7.62X39 magnums.

I wish. If an enterprising fellow combined the improvements of the Hi-Power's frame and the barrel lockup of the Glock while keeping the 1911's appearance I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Wasn't the Dan Wesson DWX supposed to be essentially this? I know I've bitched a lot about that on here but fucking hell am I salty about that one.

I have a Kimber ultra carry II that I purchased in the 90's and it has been super reliable. it was my carry gun for some time. I would trust it with my life and .45 is a fun round.

I heard Kimbers from the late 90s-2005 were excellent quality for their price point. I know Clubby covered his thoughts on their QC downward spiral already so I have nothing else to add.

Oil can suppressors are disposable.

You know we have two active feds in this thread, right?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Wasn't the Dan Wesson DWX supposed to be essentially this? I know I've bitched a lot about that on here but fucking hell am I salty about that one.

Essentially, with slapping the 1911 and CZ-75(Futurized Hi-Power) together. They went full retard with gearing it towards competition usage, though, since the low end of the market, which Dan Wesson hates, would have appreciated it much more.

 

[Club Sandwich]

they worked fine

reliable mud/brick wall/door lethal passthrough. 5.56 shatters or won't make it lethal reliably, and can be deflected from sheet metal, heavy carpets, or plate glass. Mk 316, M118 (and 118LR, and black tipped Mk319 can do so easily. the other option is having a guy lug around a short DMR or M240 or something which isn't feasible. the M60E3 is doable but lacks accuracy for point targets at range (through windows, or if a guy is known standing on the other side of a wall to hit that guy one and done, et c).

lots of corner cases.

 

[Dean Pentel]

and can be deflected from sheet metal, heavy carpets, or plate glass.

Ah, that makes sense. Didn't know about heavy/thick fabric being an impediment for 5.56. I do remember a lot of rugs on walls or as curtains in the ME so no surprise that one was likely learned "the hard way."

I did not know about the Mk319 and was surprised to learn the US military would go lighter than 150 grains for .308. It's a fuck of a lot faster than .300 BLK at a similar weight but I wonder if the other system compromises needed make it less appealing as a suppressed rifle option.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Didn't know about heavy/thick fabric being an impediment for 5.56.

it's less the carpet by itself and more that it's against a mudbrick wall and has shelves or something on the other side, or they double up on carpets during winter for insulation. i'm not knocking the practice since it works and some of the carpet patterns are really nice.

It's a fuck of a lot faster than .300 BLK at a similar weight but I wonder if the other system compromises needed make it less appealing as a suppressed rifle option.

it was very "zippy" i guess would be the best description. intended for flat shooting, high penetration, but gets it's energy from velocity and not so much mass. if you can hit the velocity/distance at a sweet spot, it's like a little copper fragmenting microgrenade on strike. i always used it on suppressed short barreled weapons, and always inside of 300 meters, i have no clue on it's long range performance, but from experience with other things i would guess kinda bad, better off with a heavy 5.56 if you're shooting 1km.