Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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You need to read your own sources. It can hit something 300km away, but 230 is the max you can hope for if your target isn't sitting still and, very likely, on the ground.

I also wouldn't trust a Russian source touting their own products on those amps.
Though I do understand Russians make a damn fine Vacuum tube amp.

Looks like Iran is finally get a 2010s era fighter jet in service.


Up to 64 Su-35s although other reporting says ~50.

They already took delivery of Yak-130 trainers way back in 2022 to get ready for the Su-35.
They've had two of them for a number of years for training/logistics. I'm still not seeing confirmation of the deliveries, just as you said, they are upping the order from 50 to 60+, ancipating a near future delivery of 20-some, and mainly just doing Dunecoon bluster and saber scimitar rattling.
IIRC, because lugenpresse journoscum gonna journo, the initial order something like 28 with an option to buy upto 22 more, and then that firmed up to 50 + 2 early deliveries. Now it sounds like they are upping their order, very likely because they have been selling their soviet stockpiles + Shaheeds to Russia and Russia is right now international currency poor, but has aerospace capabilities Iran does not.

Didn't those get sent to Argentina?
To elaborate, they are French jets that have lacked ejector seat charges for decades and France didn't sell them new ones to not piss off the Bongs. So the only thing wrong with them is no underseat explosives (and 30+ years of Latin American neglect). There was some horse trade where Argentina was going to get down-block F-16s - trade-ins from Yet-to-be-detrmined-country either modernizing their fleet or upgrading to (very likely) F-35s - in exchange for giving the jets back to France to be refurbed for Ukraine, but the last I saw of that deal was Argentina was still slated to get their F-16s provided they pinky promised not to use them to take the Falklands, but the french had ruled the jets too fucked up and were going to shred them and sell what parts were salvagable to Africans, but there was some debate about them doing it.
 
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To elaborate, they are French jets that have lacked ejector seat charges for decades and France didn't sell them new ones to not piss off the Bongs. So the only thing wrong with them is no underseat explosives (and 30+ years of Latin American neglect). There was some horse trade where Argentina was going to get down-block F-16s - trade-ins from Yet-to-be-detrmined-country either modernizing their fleet or upgrading to (very likely) F-35s - in exchange for giving the jets back to France to be refurbed for Ukraine, but the last I saw of that deal was Argentina was still slated to get their F-16s provided they pinky promised not to use them to take the Falklands, but the french had ruled the jets too fucked up and were going to shred them and sell what parts were salvagable to Africans, but there was some debate about them doing it.
Looked it up, it was the super-etendard or something, basically carrier jets designed to shoot those ASM that wrecked half the bri'ish fleet back then, no idea what Ukraine can do with those when even a mig-29 outclasses those. The F-16 Argentina is getting were from Denmark, was that the country that was going to send the used F-16s?.
 
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Looked it up, it was the super-etendard or something, basically carrier jets designed to shoot those ASM that wrecked half the bri'ish fleet back then, no idea what Ukraine can do with those when even a mig-29 outclasses those. The F-16 Argentina is getting were from Denmark, was that the country that was going to send the used F-16s?.

Yeah that sounds right. It was something pretty etendarded for sure.

Anyway, the plan for them as I understand it is two fold; while the stench of tacos & communism will never come out the cockpits, they are still Western jets with Western Avionics that will fully integrate with western munitions. So you can use them to drop NATO-pttern glide bombs and they are more disposable than F-16s. You can use them as CAP to intercept russia missle spam. They were also potentially more useful back when the BSF wasn't confined to port.

tldr: the jet is old, but it launch missiles/bombs that are new.
 
Yeah that sounds right. It was something pretty etendarded for sure.

Anyway, the plan for them as I understand it is two fold; while the stench of tacos & communism will never come out the cockpits, they are still Western jets with Western Avionics that will fully integrate with western munitions. So you can use them to drop NATO-pttern glide bombs and they are more disposable than F-16s. You can use them as CAP to intercept russia missle spam. They were also potentially more useful back when the BSF wasn't confined to port.

tldr: the jet is old, but it launch missiles/bombs that are new.
Tacos are from Mexico only AFAIK, as for the rest nah that plane is really old, came out at the same time than the F-14 but it was nowhere near the same level, got rekt over the persian gulf by iranian tomcats and even the double-ugly F-4, which makes sense since its a development of the regular etendard which was made in the 50's just like the F-4 and the Mig-21.

As shitty Flankers and Fulcrums can be it still outclasses the Etendard, might as well get the Euros to send them Jaguars which the french were going to use to replace the Etendard but the navalised version was never made, and those are obsolete too. The Etendard was pretty new when Argentina used in in 1982, and their versions were upgraded to the latest specs France got, but its still an old plane that they got because of an arms embargo that didn't let them get more Skyhawks from us.

Getting Argentina to sell (we will be paying) those to Ukraine would be a downgrade from their Su-27 and Mig-29 fighters. We could get the french to sell them exocets, the ukrainians are already shooting NATO missiles from their soviet planes.
 
, as for the rest nah that plane is really old, came out at the same time than the F-14 but it was nowhere near the same level, got rekt over the persian gulf by iranian tomcats and even the double-ugly F-4, which makes sense since its a development of the regular etendard which was made in the 50's just like the F-4 and the Mig-21.
Getting wrecked by the F-4 is absolutely no shame. After the C varient especially which is less about the internal cannon being monstrously effective and more it meaning one the accumulating changes reflecting the reality of the combat space + the missiles being significantly less dogshit by that time

As shitty Flankers and Fulcrums can be it still outclasses the Etendard, might as well get the Euros to send them Jaguars which the french were going to use to replace the Etendard but the navalised version was never made, and those are obsolete too.
Again, you're misunderstanding the combat space. It doesn't matter how old the plane is, what matters is the avionics and missiles/ordinace aren't. No one is dogfighting since like D+20, the SAM saturation prevents that. Both sides are launching at maximum range or doing tree-level rocket lobs - and those old jets aren't doing rocket lobs (OTOH, never underestimate the retardation of a Slavic officer)

And forget Flankers and Fulcrums, both sides are still deploying Fencers - Russia in increasing numbers due to Su-34 losses, Ukraine beause that's what they have - because you don't need a 5th gen stealth fighter to drop glide bombs outside of enemy range.

And you reminded me why else the frog jets were on the menu: They were naval variants that would be able to operate from shorter runaways

Getting Argentina to sell (we will be paying) those to Ukraine would be a downgrade from their Su-27 and Mig-29 fighters. We could get the french to sell them exocets, the ukrainians are already shooting NATO missiles from their soviet planes.
No one is disputing they aren't a downgrade, but they fly and they launch ordinance. Its like Russia's deployment of T-62s from mothballs - its hardly ideal but its better than nothing.

And the issue with Ukraine's soviet jets and NATO ordinance is:
Air-launced operate in two modes - initial and terminal. Initial is when it is getting data from the aircraft launching, terminal is what it switches to after it is outside of the range of the aircraft.

For example, the AGM-88, which is a missile used to launch against SAM RADARs, has two operating mode: active RADAR tracking with inertial guidance + GPS data and sensing. When you launch an AGM-88 from a NATO craft, the missile will get a GPS lock of where its launched from, lock of expected coordinates of the radar installation. The AGM-88 will try to follow the RADAR beam back to origin, but if it loses lock it will try to head to the location it was last pointed at. As it gets close to where the target was, it will attempt find anything that looks important (aka metal & pings to RADAR) and go for that.

The Ukrainians launch their AGM-88s in terminal mode only. That means they launch missing a lot of data of their target - this wasn't a problem in the early part of the war when Russia was leaving their SAM RADARs on 24/7, but once they started turning them off/cycling them it became more important beacause they would have been able to follow to where the RADAR had been and possibly started getting them even if they were packed up and starting to move from the area.

Switching to anything with an modern avionics upgrade package will let me use NATO ordinance in non-gimped mode. And again, the BSF hadn't been cucked to the port when the deal was initially on the menu; If the BSF was still any sort of player in the situation they would have had some value just as Exocet platforms.

Tacos are from Mexico only AFAIK
Don't worry son, you'll get the next one.
 
No one is disputing they aren't a downgrade, but they fly and they launch ordinance. Its like Russia's deployment of T-62s from mothballs - its hardly ideal but its better than nothing.
I dispute that the F-16 isn't better than a Mig-29. Better avionics. Yes i'm including the early ass A/B variants that Argentina is getting. Those Migs could turn but their computer systems were dogshit. And compared to what Argentina actually has, A-4 Fightinghawks and IA-63 Pampas, this might as well be quantum computing.
 
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I dispute that the F-16 isn't better than a Mig-29. Better avionics. Yes i'm including the early ass A/B variants that Argentina is getting. Those Migs could turn but their computer systems were dogshit. And compared to what Argentina actually has, A-4 Fightinghawks and IA-63 Pampas, this might as well be quantum computing.
We weren't talking F-16s, we were talking Argentine Super Etendards which would be a performance downgrade from Ukraines MiG. Which given they are carrier-based strike fighters and not air superiority like a Mig-29, and Ukrain was keeping their MiGs upgraded, is probably accurate.

But France was using them as their carrier force through 2016 which means modern avionics packages are available for them, so performance is going to be secondary to the ability to natively launch NATO weapons, especially since no one is actually dog fighting.
 
We weren't talking F-16s, we were talking Argentine Super Etendards which would be a performance downgrade from Ukraines MiG. Which given they are carrier-based strike fighters and not air superiority like a Mig-29, and Ukrain was keeping their MiGs upgraded, is probably accurate.

But France was using them as their carrier force through 2016 which means modern avionics packages are available for them, so performance is going to be secondary to the ability to natively launch NATO weapons, especially since no one is actually dog fighting.
Ah. Super Entendard has always been weird in my head
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Strike aircraft primarily. Max speed is 749mph. Carries 4600 pounds of stores. So not that fast and honestly doesn't carry much. But yeah, they can launch NATO weapons, French definitely. Honestly though given the choice this thing would be my last pick in terms of aircraft for a Air Force
 
Ah. Super Entendard has always been weird in my head
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Strike aircraft primarily. Max speed is 749mph. Carries 4600 pounds of stores. So not that fast and honestly doesn't carry much. But yeah, they can launch NATO weapons, French definitely. Honestly though given the choice this thing would be my last pick in terms of aircraft for a Air Force
When you are France with their single aircraft carrier bombing Africans with the temerity to not do what France says, this isn't a mission requiring 13th Gen Ultra Stealth Quantum Cloaked craft. And if you give them Exocets, which at the time these were put into service in the 70s/80s would allow them to strike beyond the range of ship-based air defense, you'd be able to crush any navy in a blue-water engagement except the US, UK, and technically the USSR... and really unless their fleet air defense coordinators are on the ball, that's any navy except the US. So the plane was secondary to the missile.
(Litoral combat would bring the possibility of landbased airforces but that won't help them in the middle of the ocean)

These are not anyone's first pick. Smelling of Commies, tacos, and garlic, old, underperforming. But you don't need to be pulling 13gs at Mach 3 to launch JDAMs 35 miles from the front. They are also useful for trainers, which Ukrainian pilots need more time behind a NATO stick as the Yook who plowed his F-16 into the ground demonstrates.
Though they can operate from shorter runways, which IIRC at the time the deal had been floated I think NATO was expecting more attempts to crater airfields because "that's what we would do". Which I think discounts four factors (Inaccuracy of russian weapons, lack of dedicated runway cratering munitions, effectiveness of ukranian AAD, "we will want those airbases intact after we take Kiev in two more weeks")..

Anyway, I don't find many people even talking about the deal anymore; the last I heard was they weren't going to Ukraine, but were being a chit in a complicated horse trade.

A) Argentina gives France their Super Entendards
B) The US coordinates a transfer of low-block F-16s, Argentina gets the F-16s at deep discount (Trade-in for SE's + Old Plane rates) but pays for upgrades, upgrades dependent on how strong of a pinky promise to not bomb the Br*'sh they give, and upgrades might get hammered out after transfer.
C) France gives Ukraine the pubes Mirage 2000s. (which are also old and underperforming but significantly less than the SE's, plus the avionics would already be upgraded, plus better availability of parts [see: D, parting them out for Africa])
D) France parts out the Super Entendards for Africa. (See: bombing Africans with the temerity to not do what France says not requiring peak perfomance)

France also was expected to get something else out of the deal I've forgotten; it was all so up in the air I honestly stopped paying attention waiting for more solid information that never came.
 
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Argentina gives France their Super Entendards
B) The US coordinates a transfer of low-block F-16s, Argentina gets the F-16s at deep discount (Trade-in for SE's + Old Plane rates) but pays for upgrades, upgrades dependent on how strong of a pinky promise to not bomb the Br*'sh they give, and upgrades might get hammered out after transfer.
C) France gives Ukraine the pubes Mirage 2000s. (which are also old and underperforming but significantly less than the SE's, plus the avionics would already be upgraded, plus better availability of parts [see: D, parting them out for Africa])
D) France parts out the Super Entendards for Africa.

France also was expected to get something else out of the deal I've forgotten; it was all so up in the air I honestly stopped paying attention waiting for more solid information that never came.
That makes more sense as to why they're being talked about in a modern context. At least the Mirage 2000 is multirole and not a light fighter bomber thing. I guess that makes the horse trading work.
 
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At least the Mirage 2000 is multirole and not a light fighter bomber thing. I guess that makes the horse trading work.

LockMart gets Argentina on the hook for parts for maintenance, France has a customer for their Mirage, Argentina gives up planes that can't fly + gets goodboy points. This was all done before Chainsawman got elected so I have no idea if he's spiked the deal or not; last I looked no but the deal is gummed up due to the Frogs are having some cold feet.

Tl;dr is that the Mirage 2000N was France's nuclear bomber until replaced by the Rafale B a couple years back, but they don't have a ton of B's and the non-nuclear version the 2000D is still France's primary Strike craft until more Rafale's come off the line. Thus there is angst in France about degrading the stocks of spare parts/replacements for the Mirage 2000, given the fairly anemic production of Rafales, since that if the balloon goes up those mothballed 2000Ns & Ds are going to be called back to service. This has not been helped by Dassault doing a good job of selling the Rafale to customers who especially have concerns that they might want to use their airforces in actions Uncle Sam wouldn't approve (or couldn't approve) but also don't want Soviet sloppy seconds.

To give you an idea of the scope of the production issue, the Rafale was introduced in 2001 and to date they have built 250. France has almost another 100 still on order just for domestic needs - and that was before Russia started wildin'. They still have India, Indonesia and believe Greece waiting for the next tranche of deliveries as well. The line goes around the block but good fucking luck scaling production in Frogland.

If approved the 2000D is pretty good fit for Ukraine as the conflict is currently being fought - modern weapons integration and upgraded for better ground attack and dealing with enemy anti-air.
 
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The actual demands for aircrafts come down to how well they can handle high-intensity mission loads from bases that might not always have available hangars due to hostile missiles hitting their marks and be maintained by people who alternate between alcoholicism and corruption where multi-million dollar electronic packages end up being cannibalized for their copper content.

Though, I do recall that one of the things that pissed off Ukraine in particular was that they kinda were expecting more of a Flying Tigers sort of a situation where western pilots would simply swap the patches on their flight suits and be technically mercenaries if caught. Of course, that didn't happen because I don't think many pilots would accept what would be done to them if captured and the politicians certainly would find it very uncomfortable to explain why a Dutch pilot of an F-16 suddenly appears on RT.
 
Though, I do recall that one of the things that pissed off Ukraine in particular was that they kinda were expecting more of a Flying Tigers sort of a situation where western pilots would simply swap the patches on their flight suits and be technically mercenaries if caught. Of course, that didn't happen because I don't think many pilots would accept what would be done to them if captured and the politicians certainly would find it very uncomfortable to explain why a Dutch pilot of an F-16 suddenly appears on RT.

The bigger issue is Soviet command - See: Yook Aircommander giving an F-16 to a guy who it is suspected couldn't un-Ruski his brain and read his horizon indicator wrong, because AFC was trying to boost said pilots career. And western pilots (rightly) have zero trust in Slav-Soviet ground crews - its one thing to lose a very expensive pilot to enemy action, its another because Ivan decided to drink the hydraulic fluid, or because some Colonel eyes still twinkling with vodka glazed memories of the glory he was promised in Soviet Officer Candidate School, sends them on some retarded mission without sufficient planning.

Additionally, putting pilots you trust enough to go to an enemy country, into a warzone would get the KGB salivating, just creaming their pants with fantasies about vans and black hoods and filing intelligence reports.

but again, the real issue is: you don't need skilled western pilots in the current environment. Dropping glide bombs at max range isn't high skill behavior. Nor is going after cruisemissiles. The only thing that needs skill is treetop flying for rocket lobs and Western commanders are pretty much "We didn't train our guys for that shit either, we developed standoff weapons instead, so good fucking luck". There's too much SAM action for wild weasel to do anything that matters, and not enough Yook airpower to take advantage even if they did - besides drones are cheaper and doing the job.

Western pilots in Ukrainian service is covered by Geneva. They are only mercs if they are engaged in war for profit by being paid more than Ukrainian soldiers; same reason the Norks are almost certainly covered, and this is what covered Russian soldiers working with the Donbros during the civil war. Its also completely covered if said pilots would officially join the Ukrainian armed forces - but being covered by Geneva doesn't help the political fallout in said pilot's home country nor the fact that Russia's demonstrably violating the convention for POWs but that's beyond the topic of this thread.
 
Nor is going after cruisemissiles
I mean going after cruise missiles has been a pretty hot priority for both sides. Bringing it back to the topic of the thread, equipment sperging, the flight hours on both Ukraine and Russian jets just chasing those cruise missiles has to be fucking mental. Yeah I've seen some get shot down by manpads. First line air defense is your jets.

On a separate note, the South Koreans are building batch 2 of the Sejong the Great class "destroyers" (batch 1 pictured)
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All 3 of batch 1 deployed, and 1 of 3 of batch 2 deployed, which is focused around ballistic missile defense. Less VLS tubes total but has 24 bigger ones for shit like L-SAM:
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Nork nukes be running scared
 
The bigger issue is Soviet command - See: Yook Aircommander giving an F-16 to a guy who it is suspected couldn't un-Ruski his brain and read his horizon indicator wrong, because AFC was trying to boost said pilots career. And western pilots (rightly) have zero trust in Slav-Soviet ground crews - its one thing to lose a very expensive pilot to enemy action, its another because Ivan decided to drink the hydraulic fluid, or because some Colonel eyes still twinkling with vodka glazed memories of the glory he was promised in Soviet Officer Candidate School, sends them on some retarded mission without sufficient planning.

Additionally, putting pilots you trust enough to go to an enemy country, into a warzone would get the KGB salivating, just creaming their pants with fantasies about vans and black hoods and filing intelligence reports.
I would argue that any problems that existed within the Soviet system became worse as the Union collapsed. Instead of Private Ivanovich being just a dumbass who only steals stuff because he might need a spare set of screwdrivers for his motorcycle, there suddenly was a rather large monetary incentive to steal everything because the wages were shit for everyone involved and the people who normally would stop you happily looked the other way when they were handed a large wad of foreign cash. The pilots had their jobs go from amongst the most prestigious in the Union to barely being able to afford living expenses, leading to anyone with talent leaving in the hopes of actually getting paid flying cargo or mercenary work. The now-Colonel but then Junior Lieutenant, still had a functioning dick, an uncle at high places in Minsk and a set career path for his future as the General Secretary by 2030. Instead, he spent the past 30 years trying to keep his job without dying to many hazards of the post-Soviet world while setting himself up with a mansion in Spain instead and now he's actually supposed to do real work fighting a war.

Though, officer training in the Soviet Union didn't use any sort of a OCS system like the States does. Instead, you receive your officer training as part of your general education in the university to a fairly narrow role. While it does ensure that there's lots of highly specialized officers in niche roles, it tends to not make for good all-around officers when the only actual task you are expected of and trained for is managing a meterological outpost near Murmansk.
 
I would argue that any problems that existed within the Soviet system became worse as the Union collapsed. Instead of Private Ivanovich being just a dumbass who only steals stuff because he might need a spare set of screwdrivers for his motorcycle, there suddenly was a rather large monetary incentive to steal everything because the wages were shit for everyone involved and the people who normally would stop you happily looked the other way when they were handed a large wad of foreign cash. The pilots had their jobs go from amongst the most prestigious in the Union to barely being able to afford living expenses, leading to anyone with talent leaving in the hopes of actually getting paid flying cargo or mercenary work. The now-Colonel but then Junior Lieutenant, still had a functioning dick, an uncle at high places in Minsk and a set career path for his future as the General Secretary by 2030. Instead, he spent the past 30 years trying to keep his job without dying to many hazards of the post-Soviet world while setting himself up with a mansion in Spain instead and now he's actually supposed to do real work fighting a war.

Though, officer training in the Soviet Union didn't use any sort of a OCS system like the States does. Instead, you receive your officer training as part of your general education in the university to a fairly narrow role. While it does ensure that there's lots of highly specialized officers in niche roles, it tends to not make for good all-around officers when the only actual task you are expected of and trained for is managing a meterological outpost near Murmansk.

Source: One of my bosses at work was a legit former Soviet Officer, stationed on the Chinese border "in the middle of the fucking woods" during the 80s. He was ostensibly in an airdefense command at an air defense base/installation, but they had no actual SAMs, just (crumbling) concrete pads where they would go, and old 1960's AA guns with non-working RADAR and nearly no ammo (higher command decided they would be just as effective against a chinese invasion with 20 rounds per gun as 200 or 200 - that is: not a goddamn fucking lick - but those brass casings could be melted down and had worth on the black market). They did have some infantry guys so they just put the infantry guys on the perimeter with binoculars to look for ChiCom aircraft. He'd tell stories if you got some Vodka in him.
And in his office he had a minifrige. I'll give you one guess as to what was in the minifridge.

Additonally, Mig Pilot: The Final Escape of Lt. Belenko.

The only thing that changed militarily after the USSR collapse was how open the upper brass was about stealing, and how cheap western goods - the primary thing everyone stole stuff to buy - suddenly got. Also the market exchange rate - It used to take a whole truck load of uniforms to be "lost" for a Captain or Major to afford a pair of Levis, and when fencing your stolen goods you had to trade for a lot of physical goods you hoped someone would want. It took something like 5 hops to actually get the guy who smuggled denim.
After 1991, you could now sell all sorts of things "directly" (i.e. via a fence) to Westerners for physical currency and exchange that currency with the guy who had what you wanted.

His officer training, other than standard drill and march, amounted to "Here is the glories of USSR Missile tech" lectures - heavy on propaganda and numbers, light (read: devoid) on any practical instruction, and then once he graduated college he was shipped off to some place near Siberia which name escapes me to sit in the middle of the forest drinking with the other officers and ordering the regular enlisted conscripted to watch the horizon for aircraft or chinese armor coming through the forest. The Majors and Captains were supposed to train him how to do his job, but there was no actual missile defense RADAR, just technical manuals for an entirely different system than the one they were supposed to receive. His main task was to ensure the men didn't do anything too utterly retarded while bored out of their skulls, and to work with the other officers to dream up busy work to occupy them.

One of the captains got it into his head they should do some hunting, my friend went with, got lost in the woods for two days and nearly died because there was no water in the forest and they only brought a canteen each, and after that no one left the base/installation. That is, when the US army sends you to Alaska, the intial training and site brief includes "there is what do when you encounter caribou/wolves/polar bears/wendigos/are stranged on an ice floe and are visted by the intuit pissshark god"; Soviets didn't even bother giving their officers basic land-nav course. (because if you gave them land nav they might use that to defect)

Anyway the moral of the story, as you can Read in Mig Pilot is that the soviet military was just as corrupt & incompetent, it was simply hid better when The Party had control of the press. And while pilots DID live the top-tier of soviet citizen existence it was basically a working-class Western standard of living, complete with apartments built with green lumber and questionable plumbing. Everyone knew Western-made goods were superior to Soviet production (or at least the production given to non-party members). Once the average Soviet actually got a glimpse of what life in the west was really like, they were doing anything possible to get that for themselves.

And the Soviet military didn't have much in the way of standardized training (other than military discipline and formalities), it was "go to unit, learn from the guys there". I was figuring the rest of the post would make it very obvious I was being tongue-in-cheek with the details.
 
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Source: One of my bosses at work was a legit former Soviet Officer, stationed on the Chinese border "in the middle of the fucking woods" during the 80s. He was ostensibly in an airdefense command at an air defense base/installation, but they had no actual SAMs, just (crumbling) concrete pads where they would go, and old 1960's AA guns with non-working RADAR and nearly no ammo (higher command decided they would be just as effective against a chinese invasion with 20 rounds per gun as 200 or 200 - that is: not a goddamn fucking lick - but those brass casings could be melted down and had worth on the black market). They did have some infantry guys so they just put the infantry guys on the perimeter with binoculars to look for ChiCom aircraft. He'd tell stories if you got some Vodka in him.
And in his office he had a minifrige. I'll give you one guess as to what was in the minifridge.
That indeed sounds like standard rural outpost in the sectors they didn't consider important back then. The only guys who got issued the latest late were either around Moscow, Leningrad or in the DDR at the time, but they also had the strongest actual loyality to the party. Their mentality with all that was that if the PRC ended up becoming an actual threat at the time, any new equipment and munitions would be shipped in from central storages and then everyone would be given refresher training. Then again, the system of course was built with the mindset that everyone's kinda expendable and they only have to know what they need to know to ensure that they don't talk about things to those who shouldn't know things.

The only thing that changed militarily after the USSR collapse was how open the upper brass was about stealing, and how cheap western goods - the primary thing everyone stole stuff to buy - suddenly got. Also the market exchange rate - It used to take a whole truck load of uniforms to be "lost" for a Captain or Major to afford a pair of Levis, and when fencing your stolen goods you had to trade for a lot of physical goods you hoped someone would want. It took something like 5 hops to actually get the guy who smuggled denim.
After 1991, you could now sell all sorts of things "directly" (i.e. via a fence) to Westerners for physical currency and exchange that currency with the guy who had what you wanted.
The changes of 1991 completely upended the lives of the vast majority in the now-post-Soviet Union. It gave everyone a necessary incentive to be the ones helping all this stuff be stolen because they now had to deal with substantially increased living costs compared to 1989, let alone the peak of the Soviet Union according to various vatniks, 1980. I recall having some co-workers who did live the wild Yeltsin years and they recall how completely brazen the thieving became. Of course in terms of equipment, this also created a very large sector of private security overnight and they all wanted firepower to deal with all sorts of domestic problems, ideally stuff that fits under a trenchcoat. The Chechen wars in particular also put a lot of emphasis on developing more advanced body armor and vehicles fit for urban combat.

Anyway the moral of the story, as you can Read in Mig Pilot is that the soviet military was just as corrupt & incompetent, it was simply hid better when The Party had control of the press. And while pilots DID live the top-tier of soviet citizen existence it was basically a working-class Western standard of living, complete with apartments built with green lumber and questionable plumbing. Everyone knew Western-made goods were superior to Soviet production (or at least the production given to non-party members). Once the average Soviet actually got a glimpse of what life in the west was really like, they were doing anything possible to get that for themselves.
This depended also a lot on where you live and most importantly, which general secretary your apartment was built under. It's generally agreed that stuff built under Khrushchev is the worst because he went on a mad spree to build as much housing in 5 years as possible which led to a lot of corner cutting and they hadn't perfected the concrete element architecture that became common in the 70's. As for goods, the problem was less the quality and more the availability. People wanted more variety than the bureaucratic command economy could reasonably offer and they certainly didn't build enough in the first place. It was an uncomplicated life for the future vatniks, because they were fine with a modest life working in a factory/kolhotz and dealing with the simple inconveniences of the Soviet system compared to the unstable hell of the 90's.

As for my sources, I just tend to listen to stories that old ex-Soviets have to say about the system when prompted with vodka. Though, those here tend to be from the Baltics and north-western Russia.

I guess the tl;dr of this whole thing is that these are the reasons why the development of the Russian military from 1992 to 2005ish was completely stagnant, with Ukraine also suffering from all the same problems.
 
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