Paradox Studio Thread

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Not really, no. Most of those figures survived past the era of good feelings and some, Henry Clay most prominently, remained major political and ideological figures; the Jackson paradigm is closer to the events that brought about the War Between the States than the Declaration of Independence. Ultimately I think the issue is that you're looking for some hard break between the era of Thomas Jefferson and the era of Jefferson Davis and I simply don't think there is one; many leading southerners at the point of secession were the sons and nephews of Founding Fathers.

I don't think there's a hard break (although I see how my writing gives that impression), but a dramatic shift, like how something like woke today has a clear genealogical descent (and logic) that ties it back to older types of liberalism and yet at the same time is alien to it. It changed, dramatically, and it changed in such a way that most of those generations didn't even realize quite how it was changing except for a few that saw through it.

While there was indeed a Carlylean fringe that began cropping up in the 50s as a response to real and imagined northern provocations, the majority of southerners and secessionists didn't see any break between themselves and their predecessors.

The majority Jeffersonian-Jacksonian types. I agree, they mostly saw it as being an obvious (and their position is far more justifiable than the Union using the same imagery) Second Revolution against something (the American system/protectionism) that was ultimately not that different from the mercantilist system they had fought the First Revolution against.

This isn't to say that there were no generational shifts - there were, but that's a truism and could just as easily be applied to the northern elites.

I mean, I wouldn't disagree that the Northern ideology was also evolving?

I do think part of the problem is assuming that enlightenment thought could only run in one direction. The enlightenment was very much based on an uncritical admiration and historical fetishization of Rome and Hellas, both of which were unabashed slave societies (so much so the Byzantines continued to practice it even after it largely died out in Frankish Europe), and attempts to recapture what was seen as the acme of civilization, intellectually, architecturally and societally were a constant of the antebellum south. It's why Fitzhugh could on one hand be the most unabashed proponent of ideas typically associated as being opposed by the Enlightenment and on the other praise Cervantes for having "ridded the world of the useless rubbish of the Middle Ages, by the ridicule so successfully attached to it." (Cannibals All, p. 132) which is a sentiment you would expect out of the likes of Gibbon or Hume. I would even say that is why the antebellum south had these very obvious ideological contradictions to the age it was in; while the Enlightenment and its successors were heavily based on idolizing ancient Greco-Roman society, the actual social structures of that society were nonexistent in the areas where the Enlightenment did take on. The concept of nation-states, universal rights and widespread emancipation were essentially unthinkable to the Greco-Romans, and only in Dixie and Brazil, with their slave economies and state loyalties, was there any significant social resemblance to the society that was being emulated.

This is a very good point and I blundered foolishly into it; I've thought about this before, but got bound up in a more emotional take by conflating the Enlightenment with the specific classical liberal tradition that came out of it.

It has annoyed me in the past when people talk like Southern intellectuals were somehow just ignorantly doing liberalism/Enlightenment wrong instead of being another rival strand of it, more authentic to the actual Greco-Roman civilization, than the rest of Western civilization.

So I agree with you; I got sloppy in my thinking.

 

[Blackstar]

New Tinto Maps on diseases, there's 2 types, they can either be spreading or environmental. Both pops and armies can be affected by them, provinces develop resistances over time and hospitals can be built. In Africa non-native pops won't be immune to malaria.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-49-5th-february-2025.1728019/

 

[Justice Tony]

IS CK3 now worth Pirating at least for the mods?
Never got into it when it was just realesed but at least runned fast as hell.
Which is a miracle considering Paradox,but yeah i hope is at least piratable + mods.

AtE is good, it's not fully finished but I mean come on the setting is great and it's not an unstable mess

 

[Radola Gajda]

 

[General Emílio Médici]

My thoughts exactly ISorrow man. Along with this.

 

[>IMPLYING]

I'm curious what they'll do for Iraq. For Afghanistan I think there'll be Mughal Empire (Or India will get it) and Timurid Empire LARPs, with one expanding into Persia and Russia, the other gunning for India, maybe some Taliban-esque shit as well. Persian empire shit for Persia obviously. I'm expecting Baathist stuff at bare minimum for Iraq. Whilst Baathism was founded in Syria, one of its important figureheads tried spreading the ideology in Iraq during the timeframe. Zaki al-Arsuzi

During his stay in Baghdad, al-Arsuzi tried, idealistically, to enlighten Iraqis with his thoughts on Arab nationalism, but returned to Syria disappointed in 1940

I can't picture the country get more effort into it than the others though. But Pan-Arabism gives them an easy way to justify expansion and wars. I'd be curious on what ideology it's aligned with, as 'historically', Iraq was couped by the fascist Golden Square in the early 1940s, so it'll either be one of two branches of fascism similar to Francoism and Falangism in Spain, or it might even be the 'democratic' path.

 

[Bobbobson]

This DLC is dedicated to the brave mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan.

 

[Slap47]

An Iran and Afghanistan DLC?

Seems kinda retarded considering their level of participation in the war. Might be cool to be able to open a lend lease corridor through there I guess.

 

[East_Clintwood]

An Iran and Afghanistan DLC?

Those two + Iraq + reworked British Raj.

 

[Slap47]

Those two + Iraq + reworked British Raj.

You now need to buy 2 DLC to get the full India experience.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Good morning Saars!

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/developer-diary-historical-raj.1728218/

Paradox interactive is here to say
DO NOT REDEEEEEEEEMMMMM
That expansion pass.

 

[truffle frog]

Paradox interactive is here to say
DO NOT REDEEEEEEEEMMMMM.

I'm seeing a few 35 day focuses but I'm also seeing a lot of 70 day focuses. I really hope paradox realizes that everyone hates the 70 day focuses, they're what ruined a lot of the balkan trees.

 

[Slap47]

It is kinda funny how laws/customs make it so that gaming can only represent the atrocities of liberal societies like the UK and USA. The "good guys" get 100% of the atrocities.

 

[Fig Kommandant]

can only represent the atrocities of liberal societies like the UK and USA. The "good guys" get 100% of the atrocities.

HOI4 event: at most 200k jews died of typhus, the Führer is saddned by these news.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

 

[Fig Kommandant]

The obvious here is that Paradox hasn't made a successful (i.e. good) new game since 2016 (Stellaris/Skylines 1). EU4, HOI4 and CK3 were successful but they built on previous designs and had a solid fanbase. But they failed to even do that with Vicky 3, without speaking of the Mars, Rome or Wonders games. They really are living only off of the DLC of good games.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

The obvious here is that Paradox hasn't made a successful (i.e. good) new game since 2016 (Stellaris/Skylines 1). EU4, HOI4 and CK3 were successful but they built on previous designs and had a solid fanbase. But they failed to even do that with Vicky 3, without speaking of the Mars, Rome or Wonders games. They really are living only off of the DLC of good games.

Yeah, I like how Cities Skyline 1 is more popular than the sequel. Lol.

 

[LovisXVI]

If there was a single image to describe the problem with PDX, it would be this
HoI4 is the poison that has ruined the community.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

HoI4 is the poison that has ruined the community.

Come on. did it really?

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

I was playing Lithuania with the 1178 start date in CK3, I managed to overrun all of my neighbors and form the Kingdom within the first 10 years, but playing as a Pagan in that start date is (rightfully so considering most of your neighbors are Catholic or Orthodox Christians by that point) impossible, the King of Poland launches an invasion but I convert to Catholicism in order to invalidate his Holy War and it actually works in my favor since a lot butthurt peasants formed a faction and launched a rebellion, but I also married of my daughter off to said King of Polands son after I converted so I got a good alliance and managed to put the rebellion down by calling him in since I really didnt have a lot of troops