Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

One of the captains got it into his head they should do some hunting, my friend went with, got lost in the woods for two days and nearly died because there was no water in the forest and they only brought a canteen each, and after that no one left the base/installation. That is, when the US army sends you to Alaska, the intial training and site brief includes "there is what do when you encounter caribou/wolves/polar bears/wendigos/are stranged on an ice floe and are visted by the intuit pissshark god"; Soviets didn't even bother giving their officers basic land-nav course. (because if you gave them land nav they might use that to defect
If I ever joined the military and got sent to Alaska, I AM bringing my 300 Win Mag bolt action, and no force on earth can stop me.

Separate note, I've always loved the M114. It's just such a spud gun. Just look at it.
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Oddly it still had a 'slow-cone' interrupted screw mechanism when it was designed, which took 2 motions to open the breech instead of one. Still in service unsurprisingly despite being ostensibly a 1920's design, it's a 155mm gun that was produced in large scale. South Korea still has a fuck ton of these stub cannons.

And it actually did have a self propelled mount, the M41 and the M44, the latter of which is still in service with Turkey, because the Turks never throw anything away, though they are heavily modded. M44 pic:
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They've had two of them for a number of years for training/logistics. I'm still not seeing confirmation of the deliveries, just as you said, they are upping the order from 50 to 60+, ancipating a near future delivery of 20-some, and mainly just doing Dunecoon bluster and saber scimitar rattling.
IIRC, because lugenpresse journoscum gonna journo, the initial order something like 28 with an option to buy upto 22 more, and then that firmed up to 50 + 2 early deliveries. Now it sounds like they are upping their order, very likely because they have been selling their soviet stockpiles + Shaheeds to Russia and Russia is right now international currency poor, but has aerospace capabilities Iran does not
This Iran order and maybe 12-24 backfills for the RuAF is probably going to be the last batch of Su-35s ever made.

Russia and Sukhoi are probably desperate to get the Su-57 into true mass production and the export version will be the one running Su-35 engines anyway. The Su-30SM2 and the Su-34M will stick around in production for another decade or so.

Algeria allegedly is the first export customer for the Su-57.
We weren't talking F-16s, we were talking Argentine Super Etendards which would be a performance downgrade from Ukraines MiG. Which given they are carrier-based strike fighters and not air superiority like a Mig-29, and Ukrain was keeping their MiGs upgraded, is probably accurate.

But France was using them as their carrier force through 2016 which means modern avionics packages are available for them, so performance is going to be secondary to the ability to natively launch NATO weapons, especially since no one is actually dog fighting.
Ukraine won't be getting the Super Etendards because they're worn to absolute shit. Especially the French ones as they moved on carriers for decades.

The Mirage 2000 is a better jet in every way possible.
I mean going after cruise missiles has been a pretty hot priority for both sides. Bringing it back to the topic of the thread, equipment sperging, the flight hours on both Ukraine and Russian jets just chasing those cruise missiles has to be fucking mental. Yeah I've seen some get shot down by manpads. First line air defense is your jets.

On a separate note, the South Koreans are building batch 2 of the Sejong the Great class "destroyers" (batch 1 pictured)
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All 3 of batch 1 deployed, and 1 of 3 of batch 2 deployed, which is focused around ballistic missile defense. Less VLS tubes total but has 24 bigger ones for shit like L-SAM:
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Nork nukes be running scared
Nork nukes are getting maneuvering re-entry vehicles and hypersonic gliders now.

Even then they have SLBMs and cruise missiles too and a shitload of IRBMs.

Still "only" 60-100 warheads but still.
Of all of EA's crimes, not letting Pandemic give us a refined version of Mercs 2 is the most egregious.
Pandemic mega fucked themselves on Mercs 2.

They got a 9 month extension from EA and it was still a disaster.

Launching it on 5+ platforms including shit that simply couldn't run it was idiotic. Pandemic also has insane scope creep and couldn't control themselves.

Then they get Mercs 3 into alpha and the studio is shuttered. It was allegedly going to be in Africa or maybe Cuba.
 
That indeed sounds like standard rural outpost in the sectors they didn't consider important back then. The only guys who got issued the latest late were either around Moscow, Leningrad or in the DDR at the time, but they also had the strongest actual loyality to the party. Their mentality with all that was that if the PRC ended up becoming an actual threat at the time, any new equipment and munitions would be shipped in from central storages and then everyone would be given refresher training. Then again, the system of course was built with the mindset that everyone's kinda expendable and they only have to know what they need to know to ensure that they don't talk about things to those who shouldn't know things.
This was the early 80s so relations had just normalized, China was still more than a little buttmad about Cambodia & how their invasion of Vietnam had turned out, and things were extremely tense. The real issue was they had no equipment to put out there. They couldn't even get parts for the director radar for their AA guns.

This depended also a lot on where you live and most importantly, which general secretary your apartment was built under. It's generally agreed that stuff built under Khrushchev is the worst because he went on a mad spree to build as much housing in 5 years as possible which led to a lot of corner cutting and they hadn't perfected the concrete element architecture that became common in the 70's. As for goods, the problem was less the quality and more the availability. People wanted more variety than the bureaucratic command economy could reasonably offer and they certainly didn't build enough in the first place. It was an uncomplicated life for the future vatniks, because they were fine with a modest life working in a factory/kolhotz and dealing with the simple inconveniences of the Soviet system compared to the unstable hell of the 90's.
Former boss was from Belarus, so not as angry about the whole USSR thing as a Balt.
I wouldn't say people were "fine" with the 'modest' life of a commie modern day serf, but until the USSR collapsed they just accepted they weren't going to be allowed anything better, so might as well just be drunk about it. Once the USSR collapsed, a pathway to a better life opened and large numbers of previously soviet citizens that were not completely bear-broke were only too excited to seize it.
They were willing to do anything to improve their lot in life now that this was an option.
well, anything EXCEPT build a functional society in their own country that is.

I guess the tl;dr of this whole thing is that these are the reasons why the development of the Russian military from 1992 to 2005ish was completely stagnant, with Ukraine also suffering from all the same problems.
Correct, Ukraine was a Russian Mini-me after independence, and it has been evolving from Soviet-style thinking for years, which accelerated after 2014, but especially the highest tiers are still very much Soviet-brained. Russian descent into meatwave tactics shows that Russia definitely has not upgraded their tactical playbook from the 60s - only added more ways to feed conscripts into the grinder.

None of this invalidates my statement that prompted this tangent:
You suggested that Ukraine was expecting western aircraft that would come pilots.
I pointed out that along with the non-CAS environment not requiring high levels of pilot skill & ground crews being not wholly reliable, Western Pilots would be reluctant to come to Ukraine/Countries would be reluctant to encourage pilots to volunteer a la Flying Tigers, because Ukraine Command is still rat-fucked with Soviet-level thinking and they wouldn't want pilots to be wasted on some mission to nothing because a drunk & retarded ex-Soviet commander who doesn't understand the environment or the aircraft he has available ordered it.

You argue that soviet thinking was worse after the USSR collapsed, and I demonstrated - I feel pretty conclusively - that these problems always existed the only difference was inability to completely control the narrative + resources no longer being unlimited. The mindset hasn't changed, only the ability to coverup/hide/compensate for results of that mindset.
 
Still "only" 60-100 warheads but still.
I mean, it's only because it's below the theoretical threshold for minimum viable deterrence, and well below the threshold for warfighting. On top of that they're still pretty vulnerable to counterforce attacks.

They certainly have enough to stave off any sudden aggression from the west (who tend to be rather risk-averse; 1 is probably enough to do that), but not really enough to give them an edge in a war of aggression.
according to who? north korea?
Russia's been helping them develop their nuclear technology in exchange for assistance in their war against Ukraine. It wouldn't surprise me if they're close to hypersonics.
 
I pointed out that along with the non-CAS environment not requiring high levels of pilot skill & ground crews being not wholly reliable, Western Pilots would be reluctant to come to Ukraine/Countries would be reluctant to encourage pilots to volunteer a la Flying Tigers, because Ukraine Command is still rat-fucked with Soviet-level thinking and they wouldn't want pilots to be wasted on some mission to nothing because a drunk & retarded ex-Soviet commander who doesn't understand the environment or the aircraft he has available ordered it.
The mindset that Ukraine's command runs on is more like the one that exemplified the last stages of the Third Reich where they still assume that they can turn the tide with just one more spectacular piece of wunderwaffen used in a counter-attack and victory will land on their laps. Ironic, considering how many of them larp the eastern front out there. How this ties into the idea that they would expect more direct western support, the 2023 leak from that one intern did show that there's some western SF already within the country along with France and Britain having talks of deploying troops to guard the Belarus border in order to free more Ukrainians to the frontline. This would likely give them hope that they just need to hold on until the cavalry comes to save their asses.

You argue that soviet thinking was worse after the USSR collapsed, and I demonstrated - I feel pretty conclusively - that these problems always existed the only difference was inability to completely control the narrative + resources no longer being unlimited. The mindset hasn't changed, only the ability to coverup/hide/compensate for results of that mindset.
They couldn't care less about socialism or communism except as a rhetorical tool to excite nostalgic old people. The Soviet dream saw it's final defeat in 1996 when Yeltsin with the help of Bill Clinton and Tony Blair utilized blatant electoral fraud to prevent the communist party winning that year's presidential elections where they ran with the message of stopping the shock therapy. Then again, this already did happen with Lukashenko in 1994 and that serves as an interesting comparison point between a post-soviet country that stopped the shock therapy early and a post-soviet country where the shock therapy never ended south of it.
 
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Launching it on 5+ platforms including shit that simply couldn't run it was idiotic. Pandemic also has insane scope creep and couldn't control themselves.

Interestingly I've heard the PS2/Xbox version is way more stable than the 360. The 360 version teleported me to the ending randomly and started unlocking every achievement
 
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Nork nukes are getting maneuvering re-entry vehicles and hypersonic gliders now.

Even then they have SLBMs and cruise missiles too and a shitload of IRBMs.

Still "only" 60-100 warheads but still
Sorry for being late. L-SAM is top of the line from South Korea. They're claiming better performance than Patriot. I mean just look at this thing:
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This thing is big, fat, and fast. And being honest, even with Ruskie help, I doubt the norks are getting true hypersonics any time soon, certainly anything that L-SAM can't handle.
 
This thing is big, fat, and fast. And being honest, even with Ruskie help, I doubt the norks are getting true hypersonics any time soon, certainly anything that L-SAM can't handle.
The Norks seem to focus mostly on ensuring they have far more artillery tubes than their southern counterparts. Then again, I suspect the main reason they sent that volunteer division to the Ukrainian front is to get a handle on how modern warfare goes with their existing guys.
 
I mean, it's only because it's below the theoretical threshold for minimum viable deterrence, and well below the threshold for warfighting. On top of that they're still pretty vulnerable to counterforce attacks.

They certainly have enough to stave off any sudden aggression from the west (who tend to be rather risk-averse; 1 is probably enough to do that), but not really enough to give them an edge in a war of aggression.

Russia's been helping them develop their nuclear technology in exchange for assistance in their war against Ukraine. It wouldn't surprise me if they're close to hypersonics.
The Nork nuke estimates are only completed warheads. They have enough nuclear material for something like 150+ and make more material daily.

They have already demonstrated reliable solid fuelled short range ballistic missiles, IRBMs, SLBMs and ICBMs.

Their older liquid fuelled stuff will probably be used to soak up interceptors or as sacrificial targets.
The mindset that Ukraine's command runs on is more like the one that exemplified the last stages of the Third Reich where they still assume that they can turn the tide with just one more spectacular piece of wunderwaffen used in a counter-attack and victory will land on their laps. Ironic, considering how many of them larp the eastern front out there. How this ties into the idea that they would expect more direct western support, the 2023 leak from that one intern did show that there's some western SF already within the country along with France and Britain having talks of deploying troops to guard the Belarus border in order to free more Ukrainians to the frontline. This would likely give them hope that they just need to hold on until the cavalry comes to save their asses
Yep. Meanwhile in the real world Ukraine IS VERY short of infantry and is stripping air defense troops, supply troops, aircraft ground crew and others to throw them into the Donbass as a good % of their best troops are in Kursk.

Meanwhile insane Ukrainian spergs and Nafo tards on X ( TeragamiUA for example) are screeching autistically about Trump wanting aid to Ukraine being in the form of loans to be paid back and not free money.

When told that Ukraine has already gotten HUNDREDS of billions in aid form the USA and EU, these tards cry about MUH RUSSIA BOTS and block you (from the comfort of Kiev or western/central Europe and NOT a trench in the Donbass oddly enough)
Sorry for being late. L-SAM is top of the line from South Korea. They're claiming better performance than Patriot. I mean just look at this thing:
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This thing is big, fat, and fast. And being honest, even with Ruskie help, I doubt the norks are getting true hypersonics any time soon, certainly anything that L-SAM can't handle.
S. Korea claims a lot of things. This reminds me of a ground launched SM-3 or SM-6.

Will it work? Probably as Israel and the USN have shown vs Iranian ballistic missiles.

Does N. Korea have enough to overwhelm the South? Probably. Also, remember that N. Korea only needs 1-3 nukes to get through. Also Iranian ballistic missiles DID get through and the number that got through was possibly double digit.

1 for Seoul, 1 for Busan, and one more the the Lulz.

Here's more on that hgv


38North is always a fun read.
The Norks seem to focus mostly on ensuring they have far more artillery tubes than their southern counterparts. Then again, I suspect the main reason they sent that volunteer division to the Ukrainian front is to get a handle on how modern warfare goes with their existing guys.
That and ballistic missiles overmatch.

N. Korea has probably realized that cruise missiles are stupid easy to shoot down and are only useful when coming in via surprise or when you've mapped out the other guys AD network.

Shahed type drones are stupid cheap and are essentially slow, smaller cruise missiles.

Or you go big and make them supersonic/hypersonic.

Kim sent them for experience and to get more goodies from Russia.

Allegedly that'll be a good deal of refurbed Mig-29s and a shitload of spares (to finally get the KPAF to a 1990s baseline) and 1-4 squadrons of Sukhois, probably updated Su-27SKs, Su-30s and maybe even Su-34s.

Plus help with re-entry vehicles, air defense and possibly subs.
 
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S. Korea claims a lot of things. This reminds me of a ground launched SM-3 or SM-6.

Will it work? Probably as Israel and the USN have shown vs Iranian ballistic missiles.

Does N. Korea have enough to overwhelm the South? Probably. Also, remember that N. Korea only needs 1-3 nukes to get through. Also Iranian ballistic missiles DID get through and the number that got through was possibly double digit.

1 for Seoul, 1 for Busan, and one more the the Lulz.
It's why they're putting some at sea and some at land, and why US THADD launchers haven't pulled out. It's because they do need quantity to deal with that overmatch.
 
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The Nork nuke estimates are only completed warheads. They have enough nuclear material for something like 150+ and make more material daily.
150 is still under the theoretical minimum deterrence threshold (~300 IIRC).
Their older liquid fuelled stuff will probably be used to soak up interceptors or as sacrificial targets.
Liquid fueled are effectively sacrificial. Any developed nation could take them out before they have a chance to fire.
 
The Norks seem to focus mostly on ensuring they have far more artillery tubes than their southern counterparts. Then again, I suspect the main reason they sent that volunteer division to the Ukrainian front is to get a handle on how modern warfare goes with their existing guys.
The Norks have always loved artillery. Always. The M-1978/1989 Koksan anyone?
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170mm gun of doom. 60km range with RAP rounds. Don't doubt they're at least trying to make nuclear shells for this thing. Also I love that it's most likely based off a old German gun design from WW2, just taken to its logical conclusion. Thing is epic. Now put the gun in a auto loading turret on a ship lmao.
 
The Norks have always loved artillery. Always. The M-1978/1989 Koksan anyone?
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170mm gun of doom. 60km range with RAP rounds. Don't doubt they're at least trying to make nuclear shells for this thing. Also I love that it's most likely based off a old German gun design from WW2, just taken to its logical conclusion. Thing is epic. Now put the gun in a auto loading turret on a ship lmao.
It seems like the sort of gun that when paired with modern fire direction, would make for a very decent counter-artillery gun since it outranges a lot of pieces and can fit more bang per shell. That said, I doubt it's completely based on the OG german design due to that muzzle brake and using two smaller return pistons rather than one larger one above it. Perhaps they just liked the ballistics of the German thing and Kim Yong-Whatever said "make more of these and make it self-propelled because this is a heavy fucker". I also do wonder how well they've performed in Ukraine compared to other pieces used.
 
It seems like the sort of gun that when paired with modern fire direction, would make for a very decent counter-artillery gun since it outranges a lot of pieces and can fit more bang per shell. That said, I doubt it's completely based on the OG german design due to that muzzle brake and using two smaller return pistons rather than one larger one above it. Perhaps they just liked the ballistics of the German thing and Kim Yong-Whatever said "make more of these and make it self-propelled because this is a heavy fucker". I also do wonder how well they've performed in Ukraine compared to other pieces used.
Again I said "most likely". Nobody actually knows where it came from, so we're just stuck with theories on how they thought it up. But yeah, modern fire control, GPS guided rounds, this thing would be a counter battery machine.
 
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Again I said "most likely". Nobody actually knows where it came from, so we're just stuck with theories on how they thought it up. But yeah, modern fire control, GPS guided rounds, this thing would be a counter battery machine.
I wouldn't be surprised if they buy the Krasnopol guidance package that Russia currently uses and upsize it for that shell. It seems like a logical technical transfer that Moscow would accept purely to spite the States.
 
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