Careercow Elon Reeve Musk - Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter owner + ex-paypal CEO. Manchild, sexual deviant, spergy autist with access to space travel

[The Gene Genie]

So, let's say he made a move which was unpopular and this showed up in RNC polling and made its way back up to Trump, who, as an elected official, decides to fire him. Even though Trump's not up for reelection, I'm comfortable assuming he doesn't want Democrats to take Congress in the midterms, and thus he will remain responsive to public opinion. I'm no lawyer, nor am I very experienced with the ins and outs of federal bureaucracy, so what do you think would happen then? Do you think Musk would sue to remain with DOGE? Perhaps a federal judge would issue an injunction to prevent the president from removing him or dissolving DOGE?

I think that the likely outcome of that would be a massive very-public row fueled through Twitter. I don't think Elon has as much leverage as he thinks, though. As much as Trump might owe him for the billions he dumped into his campaign and has at least promised to dump into Congressional races in the midterms, at the end of the day no one is on the Trump Train because of Elon. Elon's whole purpose-of-existence is based around Trump. It's not like he can turncoat again back to the Democrats. He's effectively burned that bridge.

Although I think it would be funny for the DNC and their rank-and-file to pivot back to "le based soyence man" again.

 

[Gregis]

I think that the likely outcome of that would be a massive very-public row fueled through Twitter. I don't think Elon has as much leverage as he thinks, though. As much as Trump might owe him for the billions he dumped into his campaign and has at least promised to dump into Congressional races in the midterms, at the end of the day no one is on the Trump Train because of Elon. Elon's whole purpose-of-existence is based around Trump. It's not like he can turncoat again back to the Democrats. He's effectively burned that bridge.

Although I think it would be funny for the DNC and their rank-and-file to pivot back to "le based soyence man" again.

That's an interesting scenario to consider. If Trump does turn on Musk, how much could he make him regret it? It would be really funny for Trump to just get banned off twitter again.

 

[neger psykolog]

The DOGE MO is to get access to some agency, claim there is fraud without evidence, lie about specific examples, ignore being told that they're lies, and gut or shut down things citing the lies as justification.
That's not a sound reform process

Beside the foreign aid(s) stuff risking instability outside of the US, the mass government layoffs and fucking around with social security probably risk higher unemployment and people going homeless and shit - especially with the way they seem intent on doing it.
There could be serious pushback if a bunch of people die or something.

That's an interesting scenario to consider. If Trump does turn on Musk, how much could he make him regret it? It would be really funny for Trump to just get banned off twitter again.

Aren't most of Elon's businesses reliant on government grants and shit? So if he pisses off Trump he's basically fucked. No one would care about Twitter account bans after a few weeks and it would cement the fate of Twitter as likely being a failure sometime in the future.

 

[Oxyjen]

Beside the foreign aid(s) stuff risking instability outside of the US, the mass government layoffs and fucking around with social security probably risk higher unemployment and people going homeless and shit - especially with the way they seem intent on doing it.
There could be serious pushback if a bunch of people die or something.

As with twitter, the point of the layoffs isn’t to “improve efficiency” - it’s to get enough people out of the way and everyone in turmoil that he can get on with plan A, which is to fuck about with the data. Everything will be degraded and terrible apart from a few metrics, but the key thing is the data, and the reach.

For example, plan A in the case of twitter was to retool it as a propaganda platform with the aim of ensuring Trump, and therefore Musk, got into power.
In the case of the government it’s firstly to ensure that the 10s and hundreds of billions keep flowing towards Musk companies. If that means using AI on the IRS database to find (or plant) dirt on anyone in government who might stand in the way and get rid of them, that’s what’ll happen. As a fringe benefit musk could use the same tools to effectively un-person anyone at all who criticises him. 1984 said this was coming, I’m only surprised it’s taken this long.

If the side-effects of firings means mass anger in the population and a few deaths - that’s also good because it takes everyone’s eye off the real prize, which was already taken.

 

[neger psykolog]

If the side-effects of firings means mass anger in the population and a few deaths - that’s also good because it takes everyone’s eye off the real prize, which was already taken.

I don't know because "a few deaths" already seems like its a given, but mass unemployment or tens of thousands of people dying (in the US) because some obscure AIDS medication program was discontinued or something like that seems like it has a non-zero chance of happening right now.

There are knock-on consequences of downsizing at this kind of scale on a societal level where restaurants and cafes and hotels and rental car companies and other businesses that depended on the business of those people/programs can become heavily impacted.

As with twitter, the point of the layoffs isn’t to “improve efficiency” - it’s to get enough people out of the way and everyone in turmoil that he can get on with plan A, which is to fuck about with the data. Everything will be degraded and terrible apart from a few metrics, but the key thing is the data, and the reach.

And I get your point about the data and don't disagree with you but if people see what is actually happening on the streets or this kind of shit ends up making the price of consumer goods even higher or gas prices higher then they won't care what data is shown on Twitter.

 

[liam dees]

This is about a database that interacts with a bunch of other databases and relies on data being correctly entered and automatically propagated through the system.
If nobody ever enters a death date for someone, it won't be there, and it sounds like the software wasn't designed to have a straightforward way to enter a fake death date or automatically disable numbers assigned to people who aren't listed as dead anywhere (I can think of reasons why).
I think it's plausible that remaking the whole thing can be more expensive and risky than just accepting the current amount of waste.

The DOGE MO is to get access to some agency, claim there is fraud without evidence, lie about specific examples, ignore being told that they're lies, and gut or shut down things citing the lies as justification.
That's not a sound reform process.

"relies on data being correctly entered" -Oops, that only makes me more suspicious, because why would anyone enter data for citizens that are too old to exist? Oh wait...
"it's plausible that remaking the whole thing can be more expensive and risky than just accepting the current amount of waste." -So firstly, you acknowledge this is waste? Secondly, you are basically saying "it's too expensive to clean this room because it's so big, but it's ok, if my trash is piled up on the far end of the room it won't bother me!"

I am also interested to hear how DOGE should go about doing things. Maybe I am the naive one and the government without extreme change in direction provided by Trump and his fellas works just fine. That 35 trillion dollar debt? Wonder where that could have come from? Let's do an "in depth internal report" on how this could have happened. The budget and timeline for this report? 10 trillion dollars and 35 years. Surely nothing would go wrong.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

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Whether you agree or disagree with how things are handled (active but unused SSN are used for illegal activity according to the report), it's clearly not a case of "they're stealing a third of the social security payments".

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He had that kind of access at PayPal? Is that normal in the industry?

You know what’s extremely faggoty? The wording the community happenings post used;

“ALMOST” none of the 150-350 year olds are getting checks

Choke on a dick, subversive

 

[AmpleApricots]

I wouldn't trust the dude to buy groceries for me with my credit card.

Not sure how anyone can look at his (and his ilks, you also are the people you surround yourself with, that always has been true) general behavior and then go ahead and think "hmm, but with this super sensitive and critical stuff I sure bet he's trustworthy and reasonable". You just gotta be either arguing in bad faith or have some kind of mental deficency that doesn't allow you theory-of-mind stuff, there simply is no other way. Not sure what else there is to say.

 

[GAY Ted Wheeler]

What Musk and Trump (and all of the AI bums) are going to quickly learn is people will tolerate this lunacy of faux improvements when they’re employed even with high prices and high interest rates. When they’re not and there’s little hope for them to be employed any time soon that’s not going to hold true. Dipshit Musk talking about “massive savings” and having BigBalls post $0 contract close outs on the DOGE site is peak Musk. FSD is coming in 2025, trust me bro.

Besides, you already had some psuedo-ghost put LR-22 in Trump’s head that was quickly forgotten about by the general public. Trans humanist crypto AI bums sending hundreds of thousands to the streets probably going to breed at least a few (certainly not me) that wouldn’t have a problem doing that to Musk with 7.62. Loads of unemployed and angry people with nothing to do or lose with a clear target for the cause of their situation is a bad combination. It’s almost like Musk forgot about that faceless UHC CEO getting blown away in NYC just happened.

 

[Oliver Onions]

This thread is absolutely fascinating. I feel like I should have my pinky held out while reading it.

 

[The Hardest R]

I've been through atleast 10 layoffs organized by consulting companies. They all come through to improve efficiency and cut costs. They cut a bunch of jobs, roll out the PowerPoints saying we saved X amount of dollars. C-suite reports it to the street and the investors are pleased.

Meanwhile the consultants had no idea how anything works and eventually over time you see the jobs that were cut come back because they were actually needed.

This feels like what DOGE/Elon is doing. Cut the jobs, get the exciting numbers, but then after that the orgs will morph back into what they were before. You'll only hear about the former though.

This is an excellent point and I think explains yet another one of the true purposes of DOGE, which is to keep carnival barking to keep approval numbers up. It’s no different than Elon coming up with another scheme to raise more capital. Low information voters think Elon is doing his job so approval numbers stay up. It doesn’t matter if the jobs that get cut now come back in a few months, all that matters is the headline now, which is how Elon has been running his businesses for almost two decades now.

So when the things that people voted Trump into office for aren’t materializing and it’s time to go to back to the voting booth, Trump and his ballwashers got a useless list of non-accomplishments they can rattle off, even if all these various programs that were slashed get restored. And if Elon can cow the bureaucracy into not investigating his businesses or looking the other way on things like vehicle safety, then it’s a bonus so he can keep his stock prices up, which makes people richer and keeps organizations like the SEC out of his ass at least for a little while.

Elon doesn’t give a shit about government efficiency, he makes his money off inefficiency. This is all a grift and like all grifts, they get too brazen and they end. Elon is too retarded not to go too far. Focusing on things like social security is going to scare the shit out of Trump’s boomer base, which I suspect is the line Elon will inevitably cross and be his downfall. Trump’s boomer base does not want their social security or Medicare touched. Everyone hates government spending unless it’s the programs that benefit them. This is going to be Musk’s downfall here. Then the knives will come out. Everyone in power knows what Musk is doing but that only lasts when he’s making everyone lots of money. But we all know how that goes - ask Ken Lay, Jeff Skilling, Michael Milken, and Angelo Mozilo how that all turned out for them when their stock tanked.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

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I looked for a table to compare whether that's a "normal" number and according to wikipedia it seems to be.
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I didn't expect there to be this many.

Some reasons why it happens:
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Some reason why it's not handled more aggressively:
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Whether you agree or disagree with how things are handled (active but unused SSN are used for illegal activity according to the report), it's clearly not a case of "they're stealing a third of the social security payments".

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He had that kind of access at PayPal? Is that normal in the industry?

He never was in Paypal to begin with.
He got kicked out of business before Paypal called itself Paypal.
Must be on a drug binge or something.

 

[NoBueno]

You can tell exactly what the angle is for DOGE with how it was made into an entity in the first place. It is a rebranding of the Digital Service and the "fixers" that are being sent into the departments are using AI programs to identify this fraud, waste, and abuse. The plan is to cut the staff, and then use these programs to fill in the gaps. Programs that are, conveniently, going to be proprietary consultancy-style programs owned by XCorp or Palantir or OpenAI. I don't believe that they are being objective in their cutting, and I think that others are correct in that what will happen is that these AI programs, as all AI programs are, will prove to not be up to snuff and the departments will form back into the bureaucracy.

Other people smarter than me have been basically saying this is the first step of the Great Reset outlined by the WEF.

 

[Mark Heathcliff]

Elon doesn’t give a shit about government efficiency, he makes his money off inefficiency. This is all a grift and like all grifts, they get too brazen and they end. Elon is too retarded not to go too far. Focusing on things like social security is going to scare the shit out of Trump’s boomer base, which I suspect is the line Elon will inevitably cross and be his downfall.

I mean, it's not like he has completely free reign over what he does, i think he is in some way supervised by people who would like to stay in power so he will not be able to cause damage they do not approve.
Which brings me to my point that he is sent on some form of a hunt and as soon as he succesfully fails his mission he will be discarded. Yeah he is a businessman but Drump is a hell of a businessman himself. As soon as elon starts bring more loss than profit they'll accuse him of all their wrongdoings and kick him out.

 

[3deadniggers]

Same Government that tells you that it's important to just throw billions in Africa trying to prevent AIDS, also the same Government who had people coming back from the dead in 2020 to vote for Biden (altering a Presidential election, mind you).

Sounds like updating this shit is somewhat important sometimes.

My choices aren't good, it's the autistic spaz and his team of nerds vs. the Government who wants me broke and buried. I'll take my chances with the spaz.

There's an old UK saying for situations like this.

"We asked the BBC if the BBC did anything wrong. The BBC said they didn't."

I don't expect any government agency to accept it made mistakes and admit to them in public. Even if they're caught red handed they will use some bullshit excuse. And that's if Elon didn't just notice some black project money loop holes he shouldn't have been making public if he doesn't want a visit in the night.

 

[crowabunga]

This actually makes sense. A botched implant means he literally can't get erect anymore. It explains the IVF route. However, why not just get the surgery redone? Is his dick literally broken beyond repair? You'd think a billionaire would hire the best urologist in the world for something like that.

What if his dick is so broken it can't be repaired with current medical science? I'd get why he's a transhumanist in that case, I'd want to believe medical science will get outrageously better / I could someday live in a working-dick simulation too

 

[World in Scarlet]

What if his dick is so broken it can't be repaired with current medical science? I'd get why he's a transhumanist in that case, I'd want to believe medical science will get outrageously better / I could someday live in a working-dick simulation too

He should transition and get it over with. He will be much happier as a woman. He can become Trump's concubine.

Edit: His dick being broken would make all these jokes calling him an evil court eunuch even funnier.

 

[JaneThough]

I think that the likely outcome of that would be a massive very-public row fueled through Twitter. I don't think Elon has as much leverage as he thinks, though. As much as Trump might owe him for the billions he dumped into his campaign and has at least promised to dump into Congressional races in the midterms, at the end of the day no one is on the Trump Train because of Elon. Elon's whole purpose-of-existence is based around Trump. It's not like he can turncoat again back to the Democrats. He's effectively burned that bridge.

Although I think it would be funny for the DNC and their rank-and-file to pivot back to "le based soyence man" again.

I think Trump owes Elon a lot in ways we may never know. I think anyone who thinks Trump will ever reel Elon in is crazy. Elon is in charge man. He spent billions to get there. Trump is a fucking chump. Elon’s KID even disrespects him in public.

 

[3deadniggers]

I think Trump owes Elon a lot in ways we may never know. I think anyone who thinks Trump will ever reel Elon in is crazy. Elon is in charge man. He spent billions to get there. Trump is a fucking chump. Elon’s KID even disrespects him in public.

If we assume the left's social media strangle hold does influence elections then Elon is essential to getting Trump re-elected. Without him buying Twitter and making a big push back against that we don't end up where we are now.

 

[Guntkvd]

Can we have Trump lolcow thread back?