Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Sweeter and Savoury]

I know it's tinfoil hat territory but

it's my feeling that's exactly what the district judge is aiming for. He wants to put Greer in front of a jury because that's the only way Ratmouth wins this case. Melonhead can go on the stand and cry his tears, pledge his plights and wail away about how the ebil kiwi farms destroyed his life. And chances are the females on the jury will just say "fuck the facts, that boy ain't right and making fun of him is mean" and blamo! Greer walks away with a 100K.

The only way Greer walks away from this case with anything less then massive sanctions and legal fee's is if he gets to yammer away about his plights and how Jersh is just a big meanie to a jury of sympathetic women. And in my paranoid mind that's exactly what this district judge is trying to make sure happens.

 

[AnOminous]

Speaking of providing his address in other cases, is that something that could come into play in labeling him as vexatious?

Yes, it could. I mean, a COMPETENT judge might notice that fact after it being pointed out many, many times.

The District Judge likely never saw the fee schedule, so it never factored in to his decision over the $1000 sanctions.

The dimwit, drooling idiot of a judge just pulled a random number out of his ass, and completely ignored the actual language of the rule.

Nool truly is the nigger of the universe.

Couldn't the Magistrate still sanction Greer for the full amount of Hardin's bill, on top of the District Judge's sanction of $1,000? I'd like to think so, but maybe I'm just dumb.

No. The magistrate is subordinate to the Article III judge who is an absolute fucking tard.

The specifics. Magistrate said that reasonable attorney's fees must be recovered; the District court said that's too much, and that only a flat sum of $1000 could be recovered.

And that judge is an absolute goddamn idiot.

 

[Steve Martin Short]

to a jury of sympathetic women.

I would expect the sympathy to last as long as it takes for Mr. Greer to fixate on one of them. Which we all know would happen.

 

[The Dude]

I know it's tinfoil hat territory but

it's my feeling that's exactly what the district judge is aiming for. He wants to put Greer in front of a jury because that's the only way Ratmouth wins this case. Melonhead can go on the stand and cry his tears, pledge his plights and wail away about how the ebil kiwi farms destroyed his life. And chances are the females on the jury will just say "fuck the facts, that boy ain't right and making fun of him is mean" and blamo! Greer walks away with a 100K.

The only way Greer walks away from this case with anything less then massive sanctions and legal fee's is if he gets to yammer away about his plights and how Jersh is just a big meanie to a jury of sympathetic women. And in my paranoid mind that's exactly what this district judge is trying to make sure happens.

Except that "they said mean things about me" is not acceptable evidence for copyright infringement. And copyright infringement is what this suit is all about in a legal sense. He would still have to provide some kind of evidence that we infringed upon his copyright in some capacity, and he doesn't have that.

 

[Napoleon III]

I know it's tinfoil hat territory but

Yes

it's my feeling that's exactly what the district judge is aiming for. He wants to put Greer in front of a jury because that's the only way Ratmouth wins this case.

Getting the basic aspects of the law is less hard than being a trial lawyer, and Greer fucked that up.

Greer has no ability to even talk to people without coming off as what he is. There are a thousand reasons that a jury trial would go very badly for Russel Greer. 6 inches.

I think the fact the judge(s) wants a jury trial in order for Greer to lose the case and the judge(s) not be responsible for it is a much better argument.

I did enjoy the image of Russel Greer mumbling to himself and then yelling "KIWIFARMS IS THE HARMS" in front of the jury though.

 

[qewretrytuyiuoipop]

I know it's tinfoil hat territory but

it's my feeling that's exactly what the district judge is aiming for. He wants to put Greer in front of a jury because that's the only way Ratmouth wins this case. Melonhead can go on the stand and cry his tears, pledge his plights and wail away about how the ebil kiwi farms destroyed his life. And chances are the females on the jury will just say "fuck the facts, that boy ain't right and making fun of him is mean" and blamo! Greer walks away with a 100K.

The only way Greer walks away from this case with anything less then massive sanctions and legal fee's is if he gets to yammer away about his plights and how Jersh is just a big meanie to a jury of sympathetic women. And in my paranoid mind that's exactly what this district judge is trying to make sure happens.

Perhaps one of our US lawyers can confirm this, but if Greer cannot establish the elements of the claim, the judge has to direct the jury not find in his favour. Jury’s only decide facts - not law. If that’s the case, then I don’t see how this is a ploy by the judges.

My view is the court is playing this by the book so that there can be no argument for any appeal down the track. I know everyone sees it as the court helping him, but I think they are helping themselves. Most judges do not like to have their decisions torn to shreds. It’s unbelievably frustrating have to watch all this, but I think it’s ultimately so that when Greer is downed, there is no argument he can run that he wasn’t afford procedural fairness etc as a self-represented litigant.

 

[The Dude]

Yes

Getting the basic aspects of the law is less hard than being a trial lawyer, and Greer fucked that up.

Greer has no ability to even talk to people without coming off as what he is. There are a thousand reasons that a jury trial would go very badly for Russel Greer. 6 inches.

I think the fact the judge(s) wants a jury trial in order for Greer to lose the case and the judge(s) not be responsible for it is a much better argument.

I did enjoy the image of Russel Greer mumbling to himself and then yelling "KIWIFARMS IS THE HARMS" in front of the jury though.

Getting in front of a jury would be VERY bad for Russhole. It wouldn't take much for Hardship Hardin to paint Mr. Greer in a very bad, very embarrassing light for the jurors, and all of it would be directly from Russ himself. His vexatious history of taking anyone to court who doesn't give him what he wants for one. His own "copyrights" for another, especially his book which is all about taking someone to court for not giving him his way. And then there are his countless social media posts, his VERY OWN WORDS, which all show Russhole to be a man of low character and questionable sanity and intelligence. Add to that the fact that he has no evidence that anyone on this website has infringed upon his copyrights and no witnesses to call upon, and I think it wouldn't be too difficult for Hardin to convince a jury (or at least enough jurors) that Russhole brought this suit in bad faith yet again against someone who wouldn't give him what he wanted.

 

[teriyakiburns]

It wouldn't take much for Hardship Hardin to paint Mr. Greer in a very bad, very embarrassing light for the jurors

Quite aside from Russ's own words painting him in a bad light, they'd also paint the jury and most of the court in a thin coat of spittle.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Perhaps one of our US lawyers can confirm this, but if Greer cannot establish the elements of the claim, the judge has to direct the jury not find in his favour. Jury’s only decide facts - not law. If that’s the case, then I don’t see how this is a ploy by the judges.

There are a couple of different stages for "cannot establish the elements."

• Doesn't plead ultimate facts (code pleading) or elements (notice pleading) in his complaint: File a motion to dismiss. We are past this point, everything but the contributory copyright infringement claim was dismissed.
• After exchanging discovery & depositions, based on the non-disputed facts one or more of the elements cannot be construed in a light most favorable to the non-moving party as capable of being proven: File a motion for summary judgment. Russ not being able to obtain any witness testimony is going to bite him in the ass here, as that would be the main source of "I'll be able to provide something at trial" to be able to weasel past this.
• At trial, no evidence is presented, by the point that the plaintiff/counter-claimant rests their case, to support an element of the claim: Move for a directed verdict. Technically, there can be MDVs to find against the defendant, but those are going to be less common.
• The jury comes back with a verdict that no reasonable jury could have reached: Move for a judgment notwithstanding the verdict. An extraordinary remedy, high likelihood of appeal by the non-moving party, but the option is there.

 

[Shakespeare]

And chances are the females on the jury will just say "fuck the facts, that boy ain't right and making fun of him is mean" and blamo! Greer walks away with a 100K.

Honestly, I think that Greer would have better luck with male jurors. I don't think that many women will sympathise with a man with Greer's history with women.

 

[The Dude]

Honestly, I think that Greer would have better luck with male jurors. I don't think that many women will sympathise with a man with Greer's history with women.

And being held in Utah, a high likelihood of a few jurors being members of the LDS Church who would not look favorably upon him for turning his back on the Church for a life of whoring and debauchery.

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

The only way Greer walks away from this case with anything less then massive sanctions and legal fee's is if he gets to yammer away about his plights and how Jersh is just a big meanie to a jury of sympathetic women. And in my paranoid mind that's exactly what this district judge is trying to make sure happens.

Absolutely not. Greer is difficult to understand, has the IQ of a river rock, let's his emotions drive his mood/testimony, he has no public speaking experience, and can't stay on topic.

Hardin is a skilled lawyer, who has experience giving oral arguments. He's trained to choose his words carefully, can follow a sentence to it's conclusion, and knows the rules of court room behavior.

Russ is going to object to every word out of Hardin's mouth, and be overruled at least 90% of the time. Hardin will object when it's proper, and probably be sustained at least 80% of the time, even given how much of a nigger Null is.

That probably shouldn't prejudice a jury, human nature is typically to trust people who at least seem competent, and by competent I mean not a freak. Russ look like a freak, he sounds like a freak, and the lack of facial expressions won't stop him from showing his anger. He is not a sympathic individual.

Remember Amber Heard; beautiful women crying on the stand tend to be sympathetic to a jury, Depp isn't the clean faced boy he used to be, and he's a drunk on top of that. Defamation claims are very hard to prove, and given human nature to side with beautiful women over abusive ugly men, she still got bitch slapped.

Null is a nigger, but he's adorable. Hardin is handsome. Russ is greasy and dirty. He has a much better chance going before a judge, I think Hardin knows that too.

 

[East_Clintwood]

The biggest issue with a jury trial for Russ would be getting through Voir Dire without interrogating every woman on the jury about her stance on brothels and whether or not they'd suck him his penis.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

Honestly, I think that Greer would have better luck with male jurors. I don't think that many women will sympathise with a man with Greer's history with women.

Wish granted. Curveball: They all have young daughters that they love more than anything in the world and Russell's other famous foray into writing is brought up.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Next Monday by my calendar. Greer to EXPLAIN.

That's what it says, but the district judge explicitly said filing shit late is A-OK, so who knows when he'll actually submit it.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Even if this case got to trial, Greer said he wouldn't testify and he has no witnesses so he can't introduce evidence, forgetting that he doesn't have any. So all that would happen is Greer would stand up and then immediately have to rest his case.

 

[TurboNAS]

We’ve followed Russ and know he’s a gross weirdo. Unfortunately Hardin is constrained by what evidence he can bring in and I don’t think he can go off on how Russ is weird and creepy to women since this is nominally a copyright case.

Then again, we live in bizarro world so maybe Hardin can introduce Russell’s thread into evidence under the rules of shut up, we’re doing this now. “Members of the jury, we recommend hitting the highlights button to get through things.”

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

We’ve followed Russ and know he’s a gross weirdo. Unfortunately Hardin is constrained by what evidence he can bring in and I don’t think he can go off on how Russ is weird and creepy to women since this is nominally a copyright case.

Hardin stood tall, straightening his tie before speaking. "My client hosts a web forum where users can discuss eccentric individuals on the internet. The plaintiff is one such individual. In order to actualize discussion, users post excerpts from his works."

The spokesman for the jury seemed confused. "What do you mean by eccentric and what works?" he asked.

"Well, he has a habit of suing women who don't date him, and has written extensively about the subject in the work he claims was infringed: Why I Sued Taylor Swift and How I Became Falsely Known as Frivolous, Litigious, and Crazy."

Russell stood quickly, hitting the table. "Objekshun! Thash defamay shun!" he slurred.

"Overruled," the judge sighed. "Mr. Hardin, please don't make baseless statements."

"Your honor, I was merely referring to Greer v. Freemantle Productions. Freemantle's lawyers said as much: that he was suing because he couldn't date Heidi Klum." Hardin turned to the jury, noting with satisfaction that Greer was impotently glaring in his direction. "Now, as for the alleged infringement..."

 

[DavidS877]

We’ve followed Russ and know he’s a gross weirdo. Unfortunately Hardin is constrained by what evidence he can bring in and I don’t think he can go off on how Russ is weird and creepy to women since this is nominally a copyright case.

Because I value the few brain cells I have left, I haven't read it, but what does Greer's book cover. Surely if it's a copyright case and the book is allegedly one of the items then it could be introduced into evidence.

 

[Wahgonga]

Even if this case got to trial, Greer said he wouldn't testify and he has no witnesses so he can't introduce evidence, forgetting that he doesn't have any. So all that would happen is Greer would stand up and then immediately have to rest his case.

That would require Russ to be both logical, and honest. Two traits that in many years and thousands of pages, he's never once demonstrated.

He's a perpetual and opportunistic liar.